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Haha, I guess that's in the eye of the beholder, right? I'll admit that by digging a little deeper and coming up with some of those numbers for those schools, it has changed my perception somewhat. As much as I'd love to be a Final Four contender ever year, I understand that it would be very difficult to accomplish. But yet, we can still be a Top 10 program without meeting such lofty expectations. Do I think we're on track? Well, maybe... possibly. We're gonna find out a lot more about where we stand here in the next few weeks. If we make a nice run in the tournament (and I think we have a good/great chance to do so), our recent results will resemble something more like a Top 10 program. However, I don't think that necessarily means there should be talks of dramatic contract extensions like you hear Seth Greenburg or Dick Vitale speak about. We've invested Top 10 program money into the program. If we get Top 10 results, then isn't that the expectation? Would we really be exceeding expectations to warrant a raise? Again, that's something else that is in the eye of the beholder. But congratulations to Crean this year. The turnaround has been spectacular and he has this team playing like a definite Final Four contender. Great job!
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A few more thoughts on using UConn, Syracuse, Ohio State, Arizona, Louisville and Michigan State as our basis of expectations... - They made the NCAA Tournament 49/60 seasons (two of which were ineligible.) That means if we go by the same expectations, we should expect to make the Tournament 5/6 seasons, as Striper noted above. - There were three national championships in 60 seasons. That means we should expect a National Championship once every 20 years. -There were 11 Final Fours in 60 seasons. That means we should expect around one Final Four every six years. - There were 31 Sweet 16 appearances in 60 seasons. That means we should expect to make the Sweet 16 of the NCAA Tournament every other season.
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Here are a few thoughts on consistency in the modern era: -Most people don't believe we're in the same category as Duke, UNC, Kansas and Kentucky any longer. While I personally believe that we could attain that level of status again, I acknowledge that setting our expectations to similar levels at this point may be a bit farfetched. -HOWEVER, I think most would agree that IU fits in that next level of 5-10 schools in the realm of historical success, tradition and the ability to have future success. -Below is a brief snapshot of six next-level programs from 2006-2015 (the modern era, AKA the one-and-done era) that I believe should be a model of consistency and measuring stick for IU Basketball nowadays, i.e. reasonable expectations. UConn: 244-104 (average record of 24-10) 2 National Championships 1 Final Four 1 Elite 8 2 Round of 64's Made NCAA Tournament 6/10 years (ineligible in 2013) Syracuse: 263-92 (average record of 26-9) 1 Final Four 1 Elite 8 2 Sweet 16's 2 Round of 32's 1 Round of 64 Made NCAA Tournament 7/10 years (ineligible in 2015) Ohio State: 279-82 (average record 28-8) 1 National Runner-Up 1 Final Four 1 Elite 8 2 Sweet 16's 2 Round of 32's 2 Round of 64's Made NCAA Tournament 9/10 years (NIT Champs in 2008) Arizona: 243-11 (average record 24-11) 3 Elite 8's 2 Sweet 16's 1 Round of 32 2 Round of 64's Made NCAA Tournament 8/10 years Louisville: 271-99 (average record 27-10) 1 National Championship 1 Final Four 3 Elite 8's 1 Sweet 16 1 Round of 32 2 Round of 64's Made NCAA Tournament 9/10 years Michigan State: 262-101 (average record 26-10) 1 National Runner-Up 2 Final Fours 1 Elite 8 3 Sweet 16's 1 Round of 32 2 Round of 64's Made NCAA Tournament 10/10 years In my opinion, these are reasonable expectations for IU over any given 10 year span.
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I always find it amusing hearing national sports-writers who only follow college basketball post-Super Bowl act as if they have a firm grasp of the landscape. Maybe his point could stand in the NBA. But not in college.
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Tom Crean's postgame locker room speech
GnarlyNormEllenberger replied to Magnanimous's topic in Indiana Men's Basketball
Lyonel Anderson had me crackin' up. "Wooooooooooooooooo!!!!" Not Ric Flair-style, but equally impressive. -
IU @ Illinois Post Game
GnarlyNormEllenberger replied to hoosierpap's topic in Indiana Men's Basketball
Loved seeing the frequency of Yogi, Zeisloft and Hartman running hard off of screens in the second half. And there were some solid screens set by our bigs, too. Really hope we see more of that for the rest of the year and beyond. -
I respect your opinion and your posts, but I disagree by a wide margin. At IU, we have banners for National Championships, Final Fours and Big Ten Championships (not counting the NIT banner which actually meant something back in 1979, etc.) We are just three games away from winning the Big Ten and adding that "2016" on the Big Ten Championship banner. Right there for the taking. That means this team will always be revered, should they do it. And they are very close to doing so. It is well within reach. Probability is relatively high that IU claims a share of the Big Ten. That same probability does not exist for the postseason. Of course, the tournament looks to be wide open this season and there are probably over two dozen teams (we're probably one of them) who could get hot and win it all. And I'd love nothing more than to see the Hoosiers get to the Final Four or hang that sixth national championship banner. But the probability of that happening isn't great. Could it happen? Of course. But it is it likely? Not very. And if we don't get to the Final Four, we don't add to our banner. We don't do Sweet 16 participant banners. However, our likelihood of obtaining the Big Ten crown could be deemed as "somewhat likely" or "definitely possible." And winning the Big Ten is very, very special. That means success over a two month period in one of the best basketball conferences in America. It's worthy of a ring. We'll add to a banner. Recruits will see recent success. So will fans. Plus, I believe if they do that, there will be plenty of momentum for them to ride into the Big Dance. What I'm saying is... if RoJo feels like he can go, he should go. even if he's only 70% or so. These next three games can cement the 2016 team in the legacy of championship basketball teams at IU. They are very, very important. This isn't a time to sit him out "for good measure." (Not saying that's what you're saying JTreesh. Just stating my opinion that I disagree with you as to how important the next three games are.)
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(18) Indiana @ Illinois - Pregame thread - 2/25 at 2100 EST on ESPN
GnarlyNormEllenberger replied to MartintheMopMan's topic in Indiana Men's Basketball
Really hope our guys are hyped up and prepared for this one. Illinois isn't good, but they're good enough to beat us should we come unprepared or play uninspired. We're within reach of a Big Ten Title. That's goal #1 for every season at IU. I hope the guys understand the importance of these last three games. Play them well and there's a good chance this roster will be immortalized by adding a "2016" on the Big Ten championship banner. -
Analysis: I choose not to pile on Troy Williams
GnarlyNormEllenberger replied to IndyHutch's topic in Indiana Men's Basketball
Baseline, baseline and more baseline. He's very efficient in that area. Stay around the paint for rebounds and put-backs. He's solid in that aspect, too. His role doesn't need expanded more than that. He doesn't need to ever stray further than 10-12 feet away from the hoop. He's had plenty of opportunities to show consistency with his drives to the basket, but can never take advantage of it on a regular basis. Way too inconsistent and our team suffers. Same with his jump shot. It's too inconsistent to be relied upon and when we have Troy as our #2/#3 option, we go as he goes. I'd rather Yogi, Bryant, Johnson, Hartman, Zeisloft, Bielfeldt or OG shoot a jump shot before I would want Troy to do it. If he was a great defender, you could almost live with such an inconsistent offensive game (see Raphael Davis at Purdue.) But those same inconsistencies persist on that side of the ball as well. When Troy looks good, he looks GOOD. But when he looks bad... it looks ugly. And with Troy being a top option on our team, it's like we're rolling the dice each game to be successful. And we'll never be more than an 8-seed playing (gambling) like that. I'd diminish his offensive role and determine his minutes by how he defends. -
Indiana v. Iowa - Game thread - Feb. 11, 2100 EST on ESPN
GnarlyNormEllenberger replied to MartintheMopMan's topic in Indiana Men's Basketball
A few things I'd like to see tonight... - Play Uthoff tight on defense. Stay on him. We'll probably have to run all of Hartman, Williams, OG and Morgan on him throughout the game. None of them could shut him down alone, anyway. But do not let him get within 10-12 feet of the basket without bringing some help defense. Force him to give up the ball. Get it out of his hands. And start that at the beginning of the game. Don't let him get hot and then try and play "catch up" on defense against him the rest of the game. We tried guarding Hayes (Wisconsin) and Taylor (PSU) that way and it didn't work. And we lost. Help defense on Uthoff. All game. Which leads me to another point... - Make the other guys beat us. Don't get me wrong, the other can definitely beat us. Particularly Jok. But Uthoff stirs the drink. Force Uhl to hit shots. Force Gesell to hit shots. Force Woodbury to settle for 12-15 foot jump shots. When Iowa lost to Maryland, Uthoff had a bad game. There's a correlation, there. Don't worry about giving Clemmons wide-open 3's. He's only a 32% shooter from out there, I'd roll the dice. Make guys like Baer, Ellingson and Wagner feel like they need to shoot the ball. Again, those three are not bad players at all. But for a big game on a big stage at Assembly Hall late in February... let's just say I don't know if they're ripe for a big game tonight. - Limit turnovers. If we turn the ball over 14+ times tonight, we lose. Guarantee it. - Need great play out of guys like Johnson, Zeisloft, Bielfeldt and Hartman. Particularly Hartman. We need him badly on both ends of the floor to make an impact in this one. And it wouldn't hurt if Johnson could regain some of his shooting prowess, either. But if 3/4 of those guys have a good game this evening, I'd say chances are very high that we come out with a W. - Don't use this game as an NBA audition. Make the smart play. Make the right pass. Stay focused. Have confidence, but play within yourself. Now watch... we'll hold Uthoff to single digits but lose by 20. And then I'll probably give up posting for awhile, haha! -
Indiana v. Minnesota - Post Game Thread
GnarlyNormEllenberger replied to MartintheMopMan's topic in Indiana Men's Basketball
A few thoughts... - I knew this game was coming. I didn't know if it was going to be against Illinois, Northwestern or Minnesota at home, but I knew we'd mail one in. Particularly on defense. I am quite surprised we won the game after the under 4:00 timeout. - 2nd Half defense was absolutely horrendous. We consistently played over the screens while leaving the lane wide open. we were allowing our center to be taken from outside the lane by a couple of offensively-limited project bigs. And we let up lay-up after lay-up. Over and over again. The whole second half. By Nate Mason and Kevin Dorsey. Who? extremely poor scheme and extremely poor effort in the second half. Very, very disappointed with that. - Our transition defense was every bit as poor, too. We have one player (whose name I will omit to protect the guilty) who simply puts very little effort into transition defense. And he's got so much potential. His box score makes it look like he was okay today, but I thought he was completely ineffcient today. But he's not the only one. How many times where we caught jogging back on defense. GET BACK!!! GET IN FRONT OF YOUR MAN!!! - Offensively, we've started a new play where we make some nice drives to the lane, then proceed to pass it to someone who is defended well. And the movement stalls. And the offense stalls. we also reverted back to some old habits of standing around for 8-10 seconds before even starting a play. That's definitely not our strength and is a recipe for disaster. - We shot poorly from 3. But that wasn't why we almost lost. Bad shooting games happen. They just do. They weren't falling today. If we had played even "okay" second half defense, we would have won by at least 12-15 points. - Bryant had a good offensive game. Played strong today. He established his position well. Corrected a few mistakes as the game progressed. I like his 8 rebounds, too. Defensively, he still needs to continue moving his feet. Footwork, in genral. Not quick enough to be an elite defender at this level. But with work, that can improve. - Amazing we only had 11 turnovers today. It felt like double that amount. - Minnesota out-hustled us so much in the second half. Up until the 2:00 mark, at least. Very disappointing that happened to us at home. - Wanna know one reason why OG doesn't start? OG isn't comfortable driving the lane on a consistent basis. He passed up multiple opportunities today. Going to have to improve on that. - But they won. And that's the most important stat of all. A loss could have absolutely destroyed this season. Perception-wise, it would have eliminated all the hype IU had earned starting out 7-0. But they won. 8-1 through nine games is good with the schedule as it is. I'll take it. - There are so many ups and downs during the Big Ten season for every team. Very interested to see how we respond on Tuesday. February basketball begins. -
IU vs Wisconsin Post Game Thread
GnarlyNormEllenberger replied to JaybobHoosier's topic in Indiana Men's Basketball
Nigel Hayes was getting the calls. That was ultimately the difference in this game. Plain and simple. My reasoning follows... Did IU deserve to win? No, not really. Pick any of the reason listed in this thread. The offense went stagnant. Too much isolation. We were extremely careless with the ball, particularly at times in the game when we could have made a big run. Several of our guys didn't really show up. We waited WAYYYYY too long in the game to bring help defense on Hayes and Happ and allowed them to successfully run iso after iso on us. So no, we didn't really deserve to win. But guys, Wisconsin didn't look good, either. Their offense now consists of running iso's. That's about it. Hayes and Happ. That was it. Over and over again. Yet they still turned the ball over (more than any other Wisconsin team in recent memory.) Save for a couple of possessions late in the game, they were not a force on the boards. To put it simple, they didn't really play well. So what was the difference? Starting at about the 10 minute mark of the second half, Hayes drew fouls the majority of the time he touched the ball. Were we fouling him? Yes, at times. Especially on drives to the basket. I'm not disputing that. But the ticky-tack, non-shooting, touch fouls 15 feet away from the hoop? Some games they are called, some games they are not. But they were in the bonus, so they got free throws. And that was the story. THAT COMPLETELY CHANGED THE GAME. They got AT LEAST 8 points on free throws from those "nickel-dimers." Had Hayes been forced to take a jumper instead of being bailed out from touch fouls, we might have stolen this one. Yesterday, people were asking me what my predictions were for the game. I told them Wisconsin would shoot at least 30 free throws. But that's all my opinion. On to the next game. -
Anyone else see the irony that Mr. Albers is telling others to "educate themselves" because they "don't get it"? Also, I'm sure IU Media Relations will allow him plenty of contact with the team after his comments on Priller. Humility, folks. It's a dying trait.
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Is Thomas Bryant a one and done?
GnarlyNormEllenberger replied to jdailey1981's topic in Indiana Men's Basketball
A couple of things to keep in mind about the linked article... 1) The writer is using statistics as the basis of why Bryant will leave. Almost exclusively. Nowhere does he mention about Bryant's lateral quickness, positioning, strength, mid-range game, timing, stamina, etc. There are more things that scouts look at besides points per game and field goal percentage. 2) I don't see any credentials about the writer other than "staff writer." I'm curious if he's any closer to the program than your average BTown Banners member. I don't know if Bryant is one-and-done or not, but I'm not sure I buy the reasoning in the article. -
(2016) SG Rawle Alkins to Arizona
GnarlyNormEllenberger replied to ccgeneral's topic in Indiana Basketball Recruiting Forum
"A lot of coaches stress you on, like last year we won a championship. I don't care about it, it's about when I'm there. I'm the type of player that wherever I go we can win, we're going to win. I proved that over the summer. No matter where we played, we won the championship in adidas Gauntlet, we won USA Basketball, everything I played in, my whole mindset was just to win. I feel like winning is the biggest picture. Me playing well while we're winning, I don't really need to do as much to get where I want to go. A lot of guys, if you're losing, feel like they have to average 40 points to get drafted. I feel like if we're winning I don't have to do as much to get to where I want to go." This guy is a whale of a talent, but for those of us who are concerned how some of our players may not understand or care as to what it means to be a Hoosier, I'm not sure the above quote would make us feel any better. Of course, it's the quote of a high school player, so we'll take it with a grain of salt. I suppose it's the old argument of confidence or arrogance. But contrast that with a quote from our newest commit, Devonte Green: "The support system and tradition that Indiana has is ridiculous. That’s what really stands out about the school. The whole campus amazed me.” That's more of the type of quote I like to hear about. One where they understand about tradition and the school itself. Just seems like he's appreciative of IU and wants to be a part of it. Whereas the quote from Alkins is more of... which school wants to be a part of HIM. Such a big difference, there. -
Wilson agrees to 6-year contract
GnarlyNormEllenberger replied to ThompsonHoosier's topic in Indiana Hoosiers Football
I'm not exactly FOR as big of a contract that is 6-years and 2.5 million, but I'm not necessarily against it, either. Here are a few of my thoughts... 1) Lynch did not have this program going in the right direction. We were fading fast and Wilson had to pretty much scrap it when he got here and start from scratch. He's built it on his own, HIS way. And he's done alright. We're competitive. And that's what most said they wanted five years ago. 2) Wilson's teams have an identity. High-tempo, fast-paced, high-scoring offense. That's right, IU Football has an identity. And it's not that we stink. Is our defense still atrocious more often than not? Yes. And that needs addressed for further improvement. But at least we have SOMETHING to hang our hats on. For so many years, we pretty much had nothing. 3) People say "we're only beating bad teams." But at least we're not the worst in the Big Ten anymore. We've won multiple Big Ten games in 3 of his 5 years here. Guys, that means something. In the nine years prior to Wilson (2002-2010) we only won multiple conference games in 2 of those 9 years. The rest of those years were 1-7 records. I know this standard is not very high, but we're making strides. 4) We're beating Purdue. Yes, they have stunk lately. But you know what? Save for a handful of years in the Tiller era, Purdue has never been the powerhouse program some of their fans think they have been. Yet we have always struggled to beat them. From 1997 to 2006, we won the bucket once. ONCE. Out of ten tries. Now we have beaten them three times in a row. We're becoming a better football program than they are and that means something for leverage in this state. 5) If you don't want to provide Wilson that money/contract, then who do we get? We see coordinators from OSU and Michigan getting Big Ten jobs at that price. That's the caliber of coach we might be in the running for. Is that what we want? Would they have come here (a historically bad program) instead? Would they be better than Wilson? Would a fresh start with them equal more success than with the continuity that Wilson brings? It would be a shot in the dark at best, and everyone here knows it. (EDIT: I also understand the thought-process of not giving Wilson as many years of an extension, or not as big of a raise.Those are valid points. But honestly, I think the perception is that, had we not given this amount of an extension, the perception is that IU is still not invested in football. And in some ways, it would only be a step up from what Illinois is doing with Bill Cubit.) Let me clearly state I am not a HUGE Wilson fan. I'm really not. And I have my reasons, many of them have nothing to do with football games. But as far as being the Head Coach of Indiana University, I think he's doing alright. He's grown as a head coach and that's clearly apparent. We're competitive. We're fighting (save the Rutgers game 4th quarter.) Our program is slowly and steadily improving. And Wilson clearly takes pride in it and cares for it. Glass is obviously hoping for a similar situation here like David Cutcliffe has done at Duke. I think there are some similarities and it's reasonable to believe Wilson has us on track to achieve similar successful results. Therefore, this contract extension is reasonable in my eyes. -
Indiana vs OSU Post-Game Thread
GnarlyNormEllenberger replied to JaybobHoosier's topic in Indiana Men's Basketball
A few additional thoughts (although most have already been covered)... 1) Help-defense in the first-half. Absolutely magnificent. Particularly the efforts by guys like Yogi and Johnson. They did a wonderful job of sliding over as a "half defender" of sorts and disrupting the offensive player's move toward the basket. Deflecting the ball and just causing general disruption. I don't know how many times we did that in the first half, but it was a sizable number. We had wonderful timing and knew where we had to be at the right time. Just a phenomenal effort in that regard. Great scouting and great execution. 2) We valued the ball better. Played smarter than we have. Still made a handful of silly mistakes, mostly in the second half, but it's like we made a genuine effort to hold on to the ball this game. Impressive, considering that Ohio State's defense was supposed to be one of the best in the conference. 3) We killed them on the boards. Absolutely smoked them. 4) Troy Williams with the bounce-back game. When he plays well, we're hard to beat. He played well yesterday. Aggressive, but generally intelligent. Had a pretty good nose for the ball. Much better than his extremely disappointing efforts we have seen in the first three conference games. 5) Bryant came to play. Especially on the offensive end. Very aggressive. Hit the boards hard. Was tough down low. Everything we need him to be. Of course, he still needs work on his positioning on both ends of the floor, but you definitely see improvement. Also fought through some fatigue, which was encouraging. 6) I continue to love OG's play. He's making some really good plays and it honestly looks somewhat easy to him. Missed a few shots, but you can tell his confidence is growing. Making plays on offense and defense. 7) Thought Johnson played better today. Looked more confident out there and played with purpose. Six assists to one turnover. Made several great defensive plays. Hit some shots, like we need him to. 8) We made Ohio State look BAD, especially in the first half. For as many big and lengthy players that they have, there is absolutely no way they should ever be out-rebounded by 19 by anyone. Tate, Bates-Diop, Thompson, Loving. None of them looked good yesterday. If they're relying on a freshman Jaquan Lyle to lead their team, they won't win too many more ball games. -
(2016) PG Devonte Green to INDIANA
GnarlyNormEllenberger replied to WayneFleekHoosier's topic in Indiana Men's Basketball
A few thoughts... 1) His playing style reminds me a lot of Yogi. Especially his pull-up jump shot. Not as quick and strong as Yogi. And he probably focuses more on the three-point shot than Yogi does. But I definitely see similarities. 2) It's always good to hear the words "tenacious defender" when describing a player. Or at least it's good to hear he has the potential to be one. And I love hearing that he WANTS to be a lock-down defender. We absolutely must have guards who can stop dribble penetration. For many guys, effort is half the battle. 3) I'm curious if his ranking has something to do with his size. I haven't done too much research on him, but I really haven't seen many major weaknesses that he must improve upon. Therefore, that leads me to believe that his size has held him back from being ranked higher and being recruited more heavily. 4) I like that his brother is in the NBA. Never heard anything negative about Danny's attitude while he was at UNC. They may have a different style of play, but I would bet that he has a similar attitude as his brother. And to my knowledge, that's a good thing. The whole situation kinda reminds me a little of Joe and Jordan Crawford, to be honest. Hopefully Devonte is more engaged and interested in being a Hoosier than what Jordan was. 5) I have a good feeling about this. I think he'll have a good career. He's one of those guys that, had he chosen to go somewhere else, you would hear about him in a few years and might be showing up on some All-American lists. Like, had he chosen Iona, you could see him in the NCAA Tournament dropping 25 on somebody in a first-round upset in a couple of years. He'd be someone that power conference schools would salivate over as a grad transfer. Just a gut feeling. -
Indiana v. Wisconsin postgame thread
GnarlyNormEllenberger replied to JaybobHoosier's topic in Indiana Men's Basketball
I didn't really think we'd be better with Johnson instead of Blackmon, but I'll take a stab at it... Johnson is a better defender, straight up. Not saying he's great, but he's a capable defender and isn't looked at as a defensive liability in the way that Blackmon is. While Johnson struggled mightily on offense against Wisconsin, he still played adequate defense. And he caused that tip/steal at the end that pretty much sealed the game for us. A game-winning play. I'm not sure we would have held Wisconsin to 58 points had Blackmon played major minutes in Johnson's stead. That being said, Blackmon is a very good offensive player. Among the Big Ten's best on that side of the ball. Johnson is what I would categorize as a "good" offensive player. He's more than solid (and better than what he's shown in the last three games), but not at the level of Blackmon. Clearly. Don't believe Blackmon has ever had a slump quite the way Johnson has right now. So the argument could definitely be made that we would have scored more points with Blackmon in the lineup. And it's a good argument. Therefore, I'd say it's assumed that we played better D because Johnson is a better defender and held them to 58 points, but only scored 59 ourselves because Johnson isn't the offensive player that Blackmon is. Stating the obvious, I suppose. I guess the question is... does Johnson's defense hold the opponent to less points in a game than what Blackmon would have scored to make up for his (Blackmon's) defensive shortcomings? Therein lies the answer. Personally, I feel we're a better team with Blackmon, but there were certainly occasions in which his defense was a major liability and should have been benched in favor of a better defender, such as Johnson. But we still need both of them to maximize our team's potential. Of course, we can't have that now. Just my two cents. -
Indiana v. Wisconsin postgame thread
GnarlyNormEllenberger replied to JaybobHoosier's topic in Indiana Men's Basketball
A few positive thoughts since we won... - Defensive effort. About time. Some of it had to do with who played extended minutes. - I truly believe the players are doing what the coaches tell them to do. The drives into a crowded lane by Yogi, Troy and Johnson? I truly believe they're being told to force it. Just my opinion, but I'm gonna side with the kids there. They're trying. - OG is a special player. Deserves increased minutes. He's proving his worth. He might end up being more of the Troy-player that we hoped for here ina couple of season. I really think he's going to be very good. -Morgan didn't score a single point last night, but played a heck of a game. Great effort. Fouled out, but made things hard on Nigel Hayes. So did OG, for that matter. I've said it before, but Morgan is one of the few players on the team that actually takes pride in playing defense. Because of that, he deserves minutes. - Great deflection by Johnson at the end of the game. Play of the game in my book. Redeemed himself after another disappointing game, overall. - If we had some effective half-court offense, we could be difficult to beat. And I wish we 'd slow things down a bit and do exactly that. I believe it would allow Morgan and OG to be more effective like they were last night. We'll see if it happens, though. -Good to beat Wisconsin, even if this is their worst team in at least a decade. -
Darius Latham Declares for NFL Draft
GnarlyNormEllenberger replied to Class of '66 Old Fart's topic in Indiana Hoosiers Football
Agree 100%. It's tough, because I think another year of hard work and effort could result in a better draft position. But I'm sure there are many things at play here with his decision. And if it's time, then it's time. -
Indiana at Rutgers - 13:00 EST on ESPN2 - Official Game Thread
GnarlyNormEllenberger replied to MartintheMopMan's topic in Indiana Men's Basketball
Saw this one from start to finish. A few thoughts (and it's not the most optimistic so if you're not in the mood for a more critical review of this game then I would skip reading this post) : 1) This team takes on the personality of their coach. They try to do what he tells them to do. I honestly believe that. Keep that in mind as you continue reading the following points. 2) 23 turnovers against the "vaunted" Rutgers defense. But see, this is what happens when you are being told to play FASTER and keep PUSHING the ball. Turnovers are accepted to an extent because we have to play a certain style. Forget the fact that our decision-making is sometimes suspect or we don't have an abundance of great ball-handlers. We just need to force Troy into turning into a point-forward of sorts because... well... that's what we want him to be. Doesn't matter if he actually fits that role, we're gonna have him do it anyway. 7 turnovers? No problem. Keep telling him to drive into traffic. He's athletic and has NBA potential. So the 7 TOs must be a mirage. 3) Heck of a game by Bielfeldt. 18 points and 14 boards. He's a decent fundamental player but sticks out like a bright light in that regard on a team that is lacking in that area. He knew he was better and smarter than his opponents today and played like it. Good effort. I don't see him being able to do that against any other Big Ten foe, but maybe he'll surprise me. 4) After Bryant picked up his second foul, we kept trying to force him into tough situations. And he fouled out in 6 minutes. That was not needed today because Bielfeldt was giving good minutes today along with Anunoby and Morgan. They were more than holding their own. But we kept forcing Bryant in situations where we didn't need him. He should have sat on the bench for the rest of the first half with two fouls and learned from his mistakes. Didn't happen. Of course, hindsight is 20/20. But there was no point re-inserting him later in the first half. None whatsoever. 5) Scouting. How many times did Rutgers shoot a step-back jumper? Constantly. Yes, I know that's a tough shot to make. And I know it's harder to defend. But Rutgers kept hitting them and it was like we were just content with that. Didn't make too many adjustments. Almost like when Brandon Ingram went off against us. It's like... forget what is actually happening, we're just gonna stick with our original gameplan. Admittedly, it's not like we were getting beat on back-cuts on anything like that, but still. 6) Once again, I really like OG Anunoby. Kid has the tools to be a really good player for us. Love the Morgan steal and dunk. I mentioned a week or so ago that he's a guy who actually wants to play defense. You saw it, there. Also, good for Ryan Burton. Nice to see his efforts paying off.That kid has deserved a scholarship the past couple of years over a few other guys. 7) Very disappointed in Johnson's game. He needs to get his head out of his rear and pick it up because he's a MUCH better player than he showed today and has MUCH more potential. 8) No reason we can't start 7-0 in the conference. Talent-wise, that should be our record. But I would be quite surprised if we were even 5-2 because quite frankly, we're just not that good. I see us at 4-3 through seven games. -
PSA: Upcoming Big Ten Elite featuring the 2002 IUBB Team
GnarlyNormEllenberger replied to Hovadipo's topic in Indiana Men's Basketball
Just had a chance to watch this. A few thoughts... - It still amazes me how poorly the Knight firing was handled. Doninger seemed surprised that most players wanted to leave after that? His solution was co-head coaches? Really? The whole administration became so smug and big-headed after we had a little bit of success. Hearing what each of Brand, Clapacs and Doninger had to say.... I am very, very happy that they are no longer a part of this university. They truly believed they handled the situation in such a wonderful manner and that IU basketball was better for it when the reality of the situation is that we have never truly recovered from it. No wonder so many former players distanced themselves from IU during that time. - Mike Davis was a nice guy, but he was nowhere near ready for the IU job. Both from a PR standpoint and from an X's and O's standpoint. And he all but admitted it during the documentary. He did admit he had no idea what he was stepping into. Yet, once again, the administration thought he was clearly the right guy. Hindsight is 20/20, but good grief. - Dane Fife understands IU basketball. If he ever becomes the IU head coach, I don't think it's a bad hire. He GETS it. Just listen to him talk a little bit. - I'll admit, I don't think I ever gave Jared Jeffries enough credit for how good of a player that he was. Part of it was because I was a fan of his at Bloomington North, so I'm sure I was overly-critical of him at IU with watching him from before . But he was an extremely talented player that could do a whole lot. Glad he was a Hoosier. - It was a little hard to see Coverdale during the interview. I hope he is healthy. But he was such an important player during that run. Fearless and tough. One of several leaders on that team. -
Indiana v. Kennesaw State - 18:00 EST on BTN - Official Gamethread
GnarlyNormEllenberger replied to MartintheMopMan's topic in Indiana Men's Basketball
A couple of things I liked from last night... Johnson and Morgan seem to actually take pride on defense. Neither are GREAT defenders at this point, but they seem to care and put their full effort into that side of the ball. Both of them really disrupted several Kennesaw State possessions. It's like they WANTED to defend. If our Top 3 took that same attitude, I think you'd see a much better defense. -
Dakich: Blackmon couldn't guard a chair
GnarlyNormEllenberger replied to incrediboy's topic in Indiana Men's Basketball
Adding my two cents... culture is a big factor. However, it is my opinion that culture is something that must be instilled by the leaders on the team and/or the guys who are on the floor the most getting playing time. I'll use an example... I think Hartman, Zeisloft and Bielfeldt are all good "fits" for the program. That is one Indiana guy and two Illinois guys (whether you think that matters is up to you, but I think it plays somewhat of a role.) They seem to take pride in the program. They know that a 20-10 season is not something that is a cause for celebration at Indiana. They know that Indiana has great tradition because of the excellence that was built before them. If you listen to them speak in public, you can tell they care about the program. They know it means something larger than the 2015-16 team itself. They keep their noses clean and are great representatives off the court. I think that's a large reason why you saw two of those three represent IU at Big Ten Media Day. In my opinion, those three embody and take pride being a Hoosier more so than any other scholarship player on the team. It's clear that they actually have somewhat of an understanding as to what it really means to be a basketball player at Indiana. But on the court, they're the 6th, 7th and 8th men. They're all athletically-limited. And to be honest, they can only do so much. And because of that, they can only supply a supporting role. They can't instill the culture in a supporting role. And if we're looking at our #6-8 guys as the "leaders" who actually embody the identity of a Hoosier, that doesn't speak highly of the first five guys. In my opinion, it comes down to this... we need our #1-5 guys to really embody that IU spirit. They're the ones who set the culture. On the court, that means committing yourself to being a great help defender. It means never giving up on plays. It means always getting your butt in someone's mid-section for a block-out. It means forgoing the highlight play for the easy bucket. It means making that smart, crisp bounce pass. It means sacrificing one's personal stats and highlights for the betterment of the team. Off the court, it means keeping your nose clean. Staying out of the headlines unless your reading to grade school kids or visiting the sick at Riley Children's Hospital. It means getting good grades. It means dealing with the rabid fan-base that can be very, very annoying and cruel at times with a straight-face and letting it slide off your back. Is that a monumental task? You bet it is. But that's why Indiana Basketball is so special. That's why it's a privilege to play here. That's why you are revered by fans for decades when you do it right. There's a reason that the university throws out the phrase "A Tradition of Excellence." Crean's successful teams at IU had leaders who really, REALLY cared about Indiana University and its basketball program. And they proved it with how they conducted themselves on and off the court. They supplied the culture. As slow or nonathletic as Jordan Hulls may have been, you never heard Dakich say he "couldn't guard a chair." And the culture was a big reason behind that. But again, this is just my opinion.