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Has there been no more positive Coronavirus news? It's been 2 weeks.

What necessitates being contact-traced in your school district? Our school district is 15 min of contact at 6 ft or less with no mask. I don't even get that much time with my wife. We have had 3 sets of 2 cases each. At least one case in each level of school. No information on how many were quarantined, tested, or even called.

https://news.yahoo.com/hydroxychloroquine-shows-no-coronavirus-benefit-raises-death-risk-144240073.html If I am reading this correctly, hydroxychloroquine was determined to have no benefit to patients with coronavirus in a study of 100,00 people.

Masks work according to Fox news: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.foxnews.com/health/wearing-face-mask-reduce-coronavirus-transmission-75-percent-study-shows.amp

Do the masks work or not? If viruses are too small to be stopped by the mask (your first point) then how would a person's immunity be affected (your second point) by not getting enough exposure to viruses because they are blocked by the mask?

Here's some research I found:

Bloomington (IN) testing site now scheduling antibody testing for next week. Link inside article sends you to registration link: https://indianapublicmedia.org/news/new-covid-19-testing-site-going-downtown-bloomington.php

I don't know if I would call it pressure, but there seems to be some leaning in Indiana: From the Indiana Department of Health Covid-19 Guidance to Coroners (attached): "What happens if the terms reported on the death certificate indicate uncertainty? If the death certificate reports terms such as “probable COVID-19” or “likely COVID-19,” these terms would be assigned the new ICD code. It is not likely that NCHS will follow up on these cases." I'm reading that as anything probable or more definitive is going to be assigned covid as a cause of death. Florida taking a stricter approach. Only deaths with confirmed test are assigned: https://www.medpagetoday.com/infectiousdisease/covid19/86127 IN_COVID-19_Coroners 03.26.20.pdf

Anecdotal evidence in Btown is most people are doing this half-@$$. People still visiting with extended family. Have some drinks in the neighbors basement. Know of only one neighbor family following this to the letter. Grocery store customer masks were 50% two weeks ago, less than a third this last week. This could explain the numbers somewhat, because people might not recall or think what they are doing is creating opportunity for spread.

Wow. 66% in hospital were people not going out? Thanks for posting. And apparently the virus has mutated into a more contagious strain. If it doesn't subside due to warm weather it could mutate again putting vaccine development efforts at risk. https://www.cnbc.com/2020/05/05/the-coronavirus-mutated-and-appears-to-be-more-contagious-now-new-study-finds.html

https://indianapublicmedia.org/news/monroe-county-gets-new-covid-19-testing-site.php Monroe County (IN) looks to have testing coming Mid May. Thought I read that a prescription would not be required to get a test.

Sorry for the political slant. Glad you pushed back. I responded to your post with more detail, and tried to bring a little more than a cheap swipe: Since you don't even know what drug it was, I doubt you're really interested in dialogue about it and instead favor your politics I also doubt you're interested in the truth because you strike me as yet one more guy who doesn't come here for any reason other than to stir the pot. I love guys like you. You're easy The crickets after the post you MEANT to grab are deafening, and I'm very happy to shove this across the table at YOU, too. Sorry for the Crickets after the post. Really busy right now working in manufacturing. I am very blessed, and have not had the time to devote to a proper response. Poor form on my part. Again, sorry for the laziness. I am now in front of a laptop, and not a phone on the side, the other hand is untied from behind my back, and you now have my focus. Got me on the incorrect spelling of the drug, I let autocorrect drive on that one. Guilty as charged. Quackery. That's cute. I do love (and you people are very consistent) the labels and complete dismissal of information and people you don't agree with because your media tells you it's....quackery. Like I said....cute. Another good point. It is a “cute” word. Its very catchy and sort of maddowy, and gives off the feeling that the subject is ridiculous. Better choice next time. Since you asked (and I bet this isn't what you meant to imply with your divisive and condescending tone) : HCQ in its design breaks down a cellular barrier and lets zinc into the cell. Zinc is being utilized in every therapy being trialed at this point. Some examples of "how it turned out? " : HCQ is being used at Yale, there is a randomized trial ongoing at Henry Ford Health System in Detroit, St. Francis Network in NY, Orange County network in NY, it's prescribed for every COVID patient in Turkey and has been shown to either slow or eliminate ICU admissions. A large doctor's group in Brazil posted a study over the weekend showing HCQ helped 91.6% of COVID patients, Dr. Michael Robb and Dr. Jane Orient, leaders in the American Association of Physicians and Surgeons said TODAY "We believe there is clear and convincing evidence of benefit both pre and post exposure (of use of HCQ)," meaning it may also be a prophylactic. Its being used successfully for the first time with older patients at a nursing home in Texas. Early adoption of HCQ in Italian hospitals showed unequivocal earlier release from hospitals compared to those who didn't receive it. It was used in a trial in New Brisnwick, CA with 118 patients. All 118 recovered. No deaths. No ICU admissions. Do you need MORE examples of "how it turned out?" And surely you could have looked all of this up yourself, but it's just easier (and lazier and more predictable) to make fun of data your media won't give you. You really should look this stuff up, though. It's fun to learn accuracy instead of parroting. Cute word though. I like "quackery." But if you want the REAL truth? Read this. COVID is a SARS virus. In 2005 Dr. Fauci and others were very high on HCQ. Now? It's Remdisavir. You can draw your own conclusions, right? https://www.dropbox.com/s/hy4zovox820vmpu/3G13018 50 micron.docx?dl=0 Great summary of some very detailed information. I hope it works. Your right, cheap shot, and bad on me for assuming that this was dead in the water and to have not followed the rest of the story. Thank you for opening my eyes. I'll take some time with these names and places and bring myself back up to speed. I don’t understand the Dropbox thing still. Do you care to enlighten me? It has some graphs and stuff but I am not sure what is proving. Sources? Immunologists. You think politicians are just opening things up because they feel like it? How dumb are you? Seriously....it's like you people just read what the media tells you and regurgitate it. Think for yourself. Try it. Just one time. What disinformation are you speaking of? Why do I KNOW it's really "information you don't have" or information you don't agree with. What else ya' got? I thought the decreased immunity claim came from the Bakersfield physicians. Are you speaking of your circle of friends when you say immunologists? I am honestly asking because google searches of “immunity decreased” along with “shelter in place” or “quarantine” are coming up empty. I would like to know more and can not find any information that says one way or the other. I think politicians are opening up based upon a calculation of how many deaths are acceptable over a period of time weighed against all of the needs and wants of the entire states population not being met during this “shutdown” period. It’s a terrible, unenviable decision for a leader to have to make. There were guidelines for opening up that were published by the CDC. States seem to be adopting those in varying degree. Why can’t these guidelines be made mandatory and everyone follows the same standard? Everyone seems to agree that monitoring as places open up and pulling back if there is an outbreak is a good idea. What is the standard for making these decisions? In my mind it is deaths/period of time vs certain needs and wants met. The big moral question is what is/are the proper threshold(s)? I don’t see a standard. That is why we are debating in your case and swiping in mine. There is a vacuum of leadership at the Federal level. How many times has this phrase been uttered in the last 30 years? This isn’t a right/left issue to me. This is a freaking problem. We are absolutely rudderless in Congress and the White House. Tell us what to do and we will do it. We are Americans, we can conquer anything, but we need a direction to pull in. I don’t like the argument of saying that people are going to die if we continue to follow the isolation guidelines. It makes it seem like it is a one-to-one give and take of folks perishing. We can and should put every effort towards supporting those who are in abusive, suicidal, medical, shelter, and food need right now situations. Moratorium on evictions or foreclosures. Stop all mortgage and rent payments. US, landlords, or employers pony up. But putting forth the argument that people are suffering, and we can’t let them suffer, so we need to open up because someone is going to die anyways, seems to lack nuance. It frames the argument in an either/or choice when that is not the case. We can do other things while we are isolated to support our neighbors from a corporate, community, government, and personal perspective. I put my stake in the ground on waiting until we have better a better handle on all of these issues, to make such grave decisions. But I am conservative by nature.

Agree with you wholeheartedly. Absolutely it's all entertainment. I've spent 23 years listening to Limbaugh, Levin, Ingraham, Savage, Neil Boortz, Greg Garrison, Mike Pence sub in for garrison, Andy Katz. Hannity not so much, just style issues really. Levin is my favorite, because of the Larry David like personality. He usually has solid analysis to back up his claim. No liberal analogues cause they all suck at radio and making coherent arguments. Maddow is all propaganda. All networks are. They are more overt now. Fox was funner to watch when the bias was more subtle. I have not heard of Knowhere. I'll check it out. Thank you for that. Chuck Schumer and Pelosi have been horrific. What have they done so far? Sniped from the sidelines and complain that Mitch stole their toy again? I saw the weakness and lack of compass in the left long ago. They have not gotten any better over the years. They lost to Donald Trump. Let that sink in. Literally put forward the only candidate that could have lost. Worst candidate since McCain. I already get my information from reading. Mostly what Drudge curates for me. I don't watch "news" any more, because I refuse to be anyone's leming. I'm sorry that pointed out that I thought your opinions mirror what is coming from what I believe to be right wing propagandists. I've spent a lot hours absorbing it over the years and call them like I seem them. Looks like I could be wrong. The tragic American governmental response (right, left, state, fed) confirms what I have believed for a few years now. None of the politicians give a damn about us. They have reached the equivalent of the MLB, NBA, or NFL in their field. They are all playing for that next contract. It's all perpetuating their personal enrichment. Millions to come after with board appointments, speaking gigs, and consulting fees. By the way, they are only entertainers anymore. The waste of time Impeachment trial proved that.

Awesome news. Just need to figure out if antibodies mean permanent immunity, temporary, or something else. Fingers crossed for permanent immunity.

Thank you for the link. My apologies to Old Friend and anyone else supporting trials of this drug. Let's test the hell out of it. From the end: "The president’s unjustified early enthusiasm for hydroxychloroquine (and his equally unjustified apparent abandonment of the idea) didn’t translate into a centralized, rapid-response study to determine the actual truth. The National Institutes of Health didn’t spin one up until the first week of April, a month after Boulware launched his. “Ideally, you would think, this is a national emergency and there would be coordination centrally, at the federal government level,” Boulware says. “The UK put together a nationwide trial for treatment. We weren’t able to do that.”

The shade you are throwing on Fauci comes from Laura Ingraham: https://www.politico.com/news/2020/05/02/donald-trump-coronavirus-remdesivir-229765

Sure name the "immunologists". Or did Fox not provide that to you.

Sorry edited with mistake acknowledged

So no sources for the loss of immunity disinformation. You know why, cause that BS comes from right wing click rags, just like the rest of your opinions on this topic. How did the hydrochloroquine quackery you were peddling turn out? Responding to Old Friend. Grabbed wrong post

This liability umbrella for businesses seems to already be in place, as a default position of the government. Federal OSHA has no enforcement role in safety for workers during this time: https://www.wsj.com/articles/house-delays-return-to-capitol-amid-uncertainty-over-next-round-of-coronavirus-stimulus-11588091849 "So far, OSHA has provided guidance outlining steps companies should take to shield workers during the outbreak, but the steps aren’t mandatory, and OSHA hasn’t been sending inspectors to most sites, opting instead to ask companies to do their own investigations when workers complain of lax standards." Indiana OSHA offers no support for workers either: https://www.in.gov/dol/3142.htm "The Indiana Dept. of Labor has no legal authority to declare a workplace emergency or change employer policies regarding infectious diseases. Our guidance is based on guidance from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), the United States Department of Labor, and Indiana's Wage and Hour laws." Your safety is your responsibility at work. Not your employer, not the local or federal government.

For sure. Add break/cafeteria, office, and bathroom areas to that list.

10's of thousands of hogs are being killed because it is too expensive to feed them because of Covid-19. Could the government pay farmers to keep them alive as "live stock" until we could reopen processing plants? Interruption of supply, but not "broken" Either way why are we killing livestock to throw away when people are struggling and plants are throwing away processed meat?

I like that thinking. So if we take out the infected folks, and replace them with non-infected folks. National Guardsman can be quarantined to themselves as they are deployed, and segregated from family as usual. So it takes social distancing and quarantining of these "essential workers" from the rest of the population to keep them safe. The guard will probably move as specific units so as to quarantine in small teams when someone is infected. Does anyone what Tyson is doing to protect workers at the moment?

Good Analysis

Why would national guardsmen be less at risk to conditions at the plant than employees?