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  It happens this time every year.   Last couple of years everybody pulled their pants down and took steaming dumps in all of the recruiting threads until the recruiting classes were completed.

  Who is going to step up on defense this year?   Troy has the talent to take over games on defense the way Oladipo used to.   Do you think there is a chance he will live up to that hope?   I think that is the key to IU being a contender or a pretender this year.

ESPN ranks us #14 in their preseason poll.

  How would the peanut gallery here even begin to try to verify that the message board poster who claims to be an attorney is in fact an attorney after all, and not just a random poser in his message board life?   The usual message board poster also claims to be very tall, a prolific lover, good looking, charming, athletic, wise, and intelligent!  Do you blindly believe him when he tells you that too?    :haha:

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  Am I the only one here who is skeptical?   No way the 3 guard lineup gets tossed.

  I am not a lawyer.  However, I worked for what was the #1 Health law program in the country for some time, I worked for a time on a law library web site that received a Top 10 ranking (#7 or #8 nationally) when I worked on it by the Green Bag Journal, a national law journal some of the lawyers here might be familiar with, and might also respect, I have assisted over 10,000 law students, J.D.s, L.L.M.s, S.J.D.s, and even M.J.s in legal research projects in my career at the Corboy Law Center, and have routinely handed practicing attorneys their (a)sses in court, mainly small landlord/tenant issues when a tenant tries to bilk me out of rent, and other small matters most attorneys expect to fly through without a challenge and still get paid the same amount no matter the end result for their clients.   I prefer to face a defendant in court cases when he is represented by an attorney, because that defendant is already playing behind the eight ball 1) by not knowing the law he is taking to court enough to even defend himself, 2) by usually not even bothering to learn that law, 3) by trusting a stranger (lawyer) to defend him, and 4) by paying money for that 'service.'   When I moved on from my career at the Loyola Chicago School of Law, several nationally prominent attorneys, some noted national experts in various areas of the law, some authors of legal textbooks, some attorneys who plead before the Supreme Court, and some law school deans approached me and offered to put their names on my resume if I ever want their help as a reference to the quality of work I am able to perform assisting attorneys in preparation for trial and also in scholarly legal work.  I did not seek them out for that.  They contacted me in thanks for work I have done for them in the past with confidence that they would be doing their friends in some of the most powerful law firms in the world a favor by recommending me if I ever want to work full time for a law firm.   I'm not an attorney, but I am proud of my experience and my ability to navigate a law library and the courts.  I'm good at it.

  Oh hey, I just now read your reply.   Will do.   Actually will not be discussing case law further here or in PMs.   The argument as is the case with nearly all sports message board arguments is ridiculous.  This one is ridiculous+.

  Usually is not the only word highlighted.  You might want to read the rest.   I'm not going to bicker with you.  And I am not going to explain the rest for you.   You presented the piece.  Read it, and if you don't understand it, you really need to stop arguing.   You are making a fool of yourself.

  Maybe you lost interest before you got to the part near the end where it defines 'practice of law' as a service that is performed for "usually the purpose of gaining a livelihood, or at least for gain; to make it one's business to act for..."   I never suggested that Bryant and Holt should solicit students for hire.  I suggested they ask law students to help them prepare an avalanche of motions to cause the legal system to expend an absurd amount of resources on these two extremely insignificant cases to the point the court begins to ask itself "How much effort can I responsibly as a servant of the state continue to apply to these meaningless cases? and to cause the servants of the cash strapped government of the State of Indiana to wonder "did I already bite off a lot more than I can chew by wasting the limited state resources I have already expended?"   And I suggest this for no other reason than to present the subsequent dismissal of the cases as a bountiful creampie to the face of the squawking and shrieking contingent of the fanbase that suggests Bryant and Holt should be dismissed from the program over an accusation, not even a conviction, of possession of an unopened bottle of vodka during Welcome Week celebrations, and this without knowing a single piece of evidence in the case.   That said, the charge is so insignificant, that even if they actually did it, I don't care at all.  I only wish they could have enjoyed Welcome Week more before they were harassed by an overzealous Excise Cop.

    Do you get paid per post?   You are working this thread harder than most paid employees work their real jobs.

Dear Lord, please comfort the souls of those affected by this gruesome killing spree.

    I think you misunderstand me if you think I am trying to endear myself to the squawking contingent of the fanbase.   The uptight squawkers in our midst have annoyed me for many years.

  Yes.  I have heard that opinion before.   I disagree.  Strongly.

  So what.   I'm not misreading the fanbase.  I think much of the fanbase is a mass of squawking idiots, especially the usual message board fan.   Look around and tell me what you see.

  Sometimes an apology is the best way to go.   I don't think this is one of those situations.   An apology is not going to shut up the shrieking 'kick-em-off-the-team, fire-the-Athletic-Department' contingent.

  I agree with much of what you are saying.  Most cops are pretty awesome.  And most cop are doing their jobs.   That doesn't mean a guy should not investigate every aspect of evidence and every aspect of a criminal case made against him.   If a cop wants to haul an IU basketball player to jail over a weak case of possession because an unopened bottle of vodka is in the vehicle that kid is riding in, then that cop better be ready to face a furious defense when the fanbase turns into a lynch mob against the player you dragged to jail.

  In real life, your statement would read as follows:   A lawyer once told me the majority of his clients are guilty of something.  it is up to him (the lawyer) to figure out what that is and use the knowledge to his (the lawyer's advantage) and to the client's disadvantage regardless of whether any actual wrongdoing took place or can be substantiated or not, and to charge as much money as possible according to how poorly the client knows the law and the weight or weakness of the case against him.  If he doesn't know the case is weak, but he thinks he is going to lose anyway because he has been charged or sued, charge him a lot, and don't work too hard on this case.  It's not necessary.  You can even let your client lose.  Work on the cases the clients actually know the law and force you to earn the good money they are paying you to defend them.

  Come on Jaybob.  This isn't an I hate Cops argument.   I love Cops.  I go to a Cop Bar here in the city and sing Irish drinking songs late night with a bunch of cops, and some of the younger guys just hand me money and ask me to pick the songs because they know i pick the good ones they forgot to pick.  That's how much I go there and do that with them.   And it is not a normal personal responsibility thing either.   This is a Bryant and Holt argument based on the shrillness of the anger way too many IU fans have hurled at these two.   If a lot of people actually want Bryant and Holt kicked off the team and Crean and Glass fired over an accusation of minor possession during Welcome Week, then I say fight the good fight, and fight it to win.

  OK you know your argument is thin when you lunge for the typo!     Yes.  The official police account is never the whole story.  I wonder how you could not agree with that statement.  

    But we don't have enough information now to know what happened.  And there is only one way to know more about what happened, and that is to investigate.   I think your suggestion is that no questions should be asked, even though two young men got trotted down to jail during Welcome Week when they should have been out celebrating with the best friends they will ever have in their lives.   There is always more to the story than the official cop statement.  Always.

  Because often the police violate constitutional rights ordained by our nation's forefathers in the process of doing their jobs, and the ones who do that often violate those rights on a daily basis.  Those constitutional rights are usually much more important to defend than a statute that says a kid cannot sit within so-and-so many feet of an unopened bottle of alcohol without being taken to jail and then publicly humiliated in his new home town during Welcome Week, when he should be celebrating the beginning of  the best years of his life.   One crime is worse than the other.   Can you tell me which crime you believe is the greater offense?

  Law students can't practice law, but law students can write motions, and Thomas Bryant and Emmitt Holt can file those motions on their own behalf as if they wrote them themselves.  A law degree is not reqired to file a motion on your own behalf.   And the law school itself has many clinics in the law building that solicit the public for cases to allow law students to practice writing motions, investigating cases, etc. as if they were fully blessed by the bar.   Also, while I enjoy the humorous legal aphorisms, those are just humorous statements, and they are not the law.   The law library at IU is one of the best law libraries in the world.  Emmitt and Thomas have access to books that will lay out step by step how to defend themselves against this charge. 

  I was fairly certain you would not be offended, and I think I am right about that.  I am sure you have heard worse than a guy questioning your education, and whatever that was probably didn't really bother you either.   I am just having fun here, and offering a different perspective I believe in.   If this was just a simple freshman gets busted with an unopened bottle of vodka case, I would say just plead out and move on.  But because so many k(oo)ks out there are calling for the kids' heads, and Crean's, and Glass' I say fight it, and fight to win.