2017 IUBB recruiting

[Sam_Boger 360]

Not a student-athlete, and a one year rental. He's chosen the proper three finalists.

I would take the one year rental.

[HoosierAloha 30,024]

Not a student-athlete, and a one year rental. He's chosen the proper three finalists.

I don't think of Arizona in the same way I do about KU and puke. Guess he picked two of the best for a bidding war...

[Stuhoo 79,751]

25 minutes ago, Sam_Boger said:

I would take the one year rental.

 

You would? A player with no interest in the university other than to punch his ticket for as little time as it takes to be able to move on to the pros and re-pay handlers?

Nonowaynowaynowaynoway.

Here's a recent profile on his "high school": http://www.12news.com/news/local/valley/mesa-charter-school-closes-day-before-school-leaving-parents-scrambling/312737029

[Class of '66 Old Fart 83,988]

New Rivals ’17 rankings - IU targets that are still uncommitted are in boldface.

1. DeAndre Ayton (C)      Committed to AZ

2. Michael Porter (C)       Committed to Wash.

3. Trevon Duval

4. Mohamed Bamba

5. Wendell Carter

6. Mitchell Robinson (C)

7. Collin Sexton

8. Billy Preston

9. Kevin Knox

10. Hamidou Diallo

11. Brandon McCoy

12 Troy Brown

13. Gary Trent Jr

14. Trae Young

15. Jaren Jackson

16. Austin Wiley (C)

17. P.J. Washington

18. Kris Wilkes

19. Nick Richards

20. Lonnie Walker --  Not on his final list of schools

21. Jarred Vanderbilt --   Not on his final list of schools

22. Brian Bowen

23. Quade Green

24. Jalek Felton (C)

25. Jeremiah Tilmon (C)

 

[hoosierpap 14,300]

Quiet period ends Thurs. Friday, 9/8, begins the next contact period running through 11/6.

[HoosierAloha 30,024]

Someone mentioned a Waters, Durham, Wilkes, Smith, and a big being a tremendous class. I would agree on one condition, the big is someone that can contribute right away. If we don't land Smith or Tucker I wouldn't mind adding two bigs.

If DD is a capable defender out on the perimeter and can stretch the floor two bigs would be ideal. JMo can play the wing (3,4) and I'm guessing McSwain can too. If we land Wilkes (to a lesser extent Smith or Tucker) JMo would be solid at the 4 and DD at the 5 unless we landed an elite big that would push DD down to the 4. Regardless, having TB and DD as legit bigs and JMo and OG being able to defend the 4 is nice. I'd like to see that depth continued.

[Brass Cannon 24,247]

If we miss on Gak I don't think there's a big out there who could help.  I would rather look for a grad transfer. 

[HoosierAloha 30,024]

If we miss on Gak I don't think there's a big out there who could help.  I would rather look for a grad transfer. 

It's crazy that IU could have 3 bigs go in the lottery (or close) in the last 5 years and yet we struggle to continuously have a legit big year in and year out.

Gak and a project big with Wilkes, Durham, and Waters would be a really nice class.

5- DD or Gak, frosh big
4- JMo or DD
3- Wilkes, McSwain
2- RoJo, CuJo, Durham
1- JN, Waters, Green

[Brass Cannon 24,247]

It's the struggle because there's so few elite ones. And so many of the others could be starters elsewhere. Here they would compete with Davis. 

[HoosierAloha 30,024]

It's the struggle because there's so few elite ones. And so many of the others could be starters elsewhere. Here they would compete with Davis. 

If IU lands an elite big for 2017 he'll be in the starting lineup, guaranteed. That's where I was going with the rant above. Elite big and DD might start at the 4, if he's capable. Not elite big and he's probably back up DD.

I would like to see IU use one of their "end of bench" scholarships on a project big that has a chance of contributing as an upperclassman. IU has struggled with this role under Crean. We were lucky last season getting Maximus as a grad transfer.

[Brass Cannon 24,247]

1 hour ago, HoosierAloha said:

If IU lands an elite big for 2017 he'll be in the starting lineup, guaranteed. That's where I was going with the rant above. Elite big and DD might start at the 4, if he's capable. Not elite big and he's probably back up DD.

I would like to see IU use one of their "end of bench" scholarships on a project big that has a chance of contributing as an upperclassman. IU has struggled with this role under Crean. We were lucky last season getting Maximus as a grad transfer.

Oh yeah I get what you are saying and you are right.  Its just such a difficult position for us.  Theres only a few elite Bigs that would start for sure over a sophomore DD, and with IU unwilling to pay or compromise on grades our talent pool there is really thin. 

I think I am in an opposing camp, we just haven't been able to develop big men. so I would rather just try to get grad transfers.  If we become contenders each and every year it shouldn't be too hard to find a grad transfer each year with the rising popularity of that particular aspect of the game. 

[HoosierAloha 30,024]

Oh yeah I get what you are saying and you are right.  Its just such a difficult position for us.  Theres only a few elite Bigs that would start for sure over a sophomore DD, and with IU unwilling to pay or compromise on grades our talent pool there is really thin. 

I think I am in an opposing camp, we just haven't been able to develop big men. so I would rather just try to get grad transfers.  If we become contenders each and every year it shouldn't be too hard to find a grad transfer each year with the rising popularity of that particular aspect of the game. 

I believe it would be the other way around. If you can develop bigs to at least a serviceable level you'll always have one capable of making a team better. Remember, this big is your backup 5 or if he emerges pushing your other big to the 4. This is the plan if you happen to miss on all your elite frosh bigs. The grad transfer route us a difficult one. We were lucky to land Maximus who, by all accounts, bought into the program first. It's much easier to mold a frosh than convert a one year grad transfer, imo.

[Brass Cannon 24,247]

6 minutes ago, HoosierAloha said:

I believe it would be the other way around. If you can develop bigs to at least a serviceable level you'll always have one capable of making a team better. Remember, this big is your backup 5 or if he emerges pushing your other big to the 4. This is the plan if you happen to miss on all your elite frosh bigs. The grad transfer route us a difficult one. We were lucky to land Maximus who, by all accounts, bought into the program first. It's much easier to mold a frosh than convert a one year grad transfer, imo.

I would tend to agree with you.  But for whatever reason our track record would seem to indicate that our coaching staff and or system works better with Grad Transfers than developing talent from project players.

[HoosierAloha 30,024]

I would tend to agree with you.  But for whatever reason our track record would seem to indicate that our coaching staff and or system works better with Grad Transfers than developing talent from project players.

The sample size is too small to determine that. IU has had Max as its lone grad transfer big. If all grad transfers were Max Bielfeld I would want a grad transfer big every year.

I'm suggesting we go after a player like Joey Brunk or someone that might be a solid backup and is perfectly happy with that. I understand it takes both sides to agree to that though.

[WayneFleekHoosier 47,968]

2016 dates of commits

Devonte Green Jan. 9

Grant Gelon. August 13

CuJo. September 19

Deron Davis November 12




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[HoosierAloha 30,024]

2016 dates of commits

Devonte Green Jan. 9

Grant Gelon. August 13

CuJo. September 19

Deron Davis November 12




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Aljami Durham - Oct 27, 2015

[WayneFleekHoosier 47,968]

From Justin Smith thread. Carry convo over here.
4 or 5 man class???
Here's the deal.

We are targeting a PG, Durham, Smith, Wilkes, and a Big man. That's a 5 man class.

Hartman is gone. 1
TB is gone. 2
Blackmon likely. 3?
OG possibly. 4?
Priller. Grad transfer 5?
Regular transfer.??

That's a lot of things that have to happen to get to a 5 man class.

A 4 man class seems for realistic. Then what? Still getting a Big? Still getting a PG? Is there room for 2 wings.

This is the logic that makes me think we won't get 2 wings unless we don't take a PG. Or forecasting a mass exodus.





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[WayneFleekHoosier 47,968]

Also food for thought regarding the Indiana vs National recruiting approach....

Imagine a class of

Waters
Durham
Smith
Bamba.

That's 4 super high character kids id be proud to root for any day that could compete with the one n done factories over time. Problem is Bamba doesn't appear to be realistic but.... If we could land this type of class the Indiana talk dies down. 5 star, a high 4, low 4, and a mid-high 3 star.




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[HoosierAloha 30,024]

6 hours ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

From Justin Smith thread. Carry convo over here.
4 or 5 man class???
Here's the deal.

We are targeting a PG, Durham, Smith, Wilkes, and a Big man. That's a 5 man class.

Hartman is gone. 1
TB is gone. 2
Blackmon likely. 3?
OG possibly. 4?
Priller. Grad transfer 5?
Regular transfer.??

That's a lot of things that have to happen to get to a 5 man class.

A 4 man class seems for realistic. Then what? Still getting a Big? Still getting a PG? Is there room for 2 wings.

This is the logic that makes me think we won't get 2 wings unless we don't take a PG. Or forecasting a mass exodus.





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A 5 man class is definitely possible with all the moving parts.  A regular transfer could come from a guard not seeing a future with enough playing time.  I've been saying this for a long time.

Hartman - Justin Smith

Bryant - Gak, (Dreaming) Bamba

JBJ - Durham

OG - Kris Wilkes

Priller - Second frosh big???

Possible guard transfer - Waters

 

Looking at it from needs in 2017

A big is a must.  DD can probably hold down the 5 as a sophomore but he can't play 40 minutes there.  JMo is good at the 5 in a small ball lineup for 5-8 minutes a game.  A wing(s) is/are needed to replace Hartman and possibly OG.  JMo and McSwain should be solid at the wing 3/4 but that is leaving the front court extremely thin.  A combination of 3 front court players could keep IU toward the top of the B1G.

I just don't see how all the guards will stay happy unless Green and Gelon are willing to wait until their upperclassmen before taking on larger roles.  I fear we'll start seeing three guard lineups because of personnel issues again.  If none of the guards transfer or JBJ doesn't leave that's JN, JBJ, RoJo, CuJo, DG, GG, Durham, and possibly Waters.  That's 8 guards on a 13 man roster...  That's taking a step back on roster management and that simply can't happen. 

 

[Sam_Boger 360]

Is Gak actually a realistic option to get?