2012-2013 vs. 2015-2016

[OliviaPope40 6,298]

My team is on the floor.

[MartintheMopMan 7,765]

Mods, not sure why, but I posted this from a Windows laptop, and can't view the text in the OP on an Apple phone.

Get a Windows phone.

 

Unrelated. This app does not support Windows phone.

[JSHoosier 19,575]

You have to be able to shoot, we couldn't get good shots off. You can try to break down why but Syracuse was a terrible matchup for us. Blame Crean all you want, he could've done more to find an answer, but 6'0" guards can't do anything to a zone with the shortest defender at 6'5".

You have to be able to create good shots and when you don't keep the defense moving that's hard to do. You can say we would've had better looks if the guards were taller all you want but we did a bad job of creating those shots.

All I'm saying is that the guards being 6'0 is hardly the only reason we looked incompetent.

[johnsoniu 6,064]

You have to be able to shoot, we couldn't get good shots off. You can try to break down why but Syracuse was a terrible matchup for us. Blame Crean all you want, he could've done more to find an answer, but 6'0" guards can't do anything to a zone with the shortest defender at 6'5".

 Peyton Siva and Russ Smith disagree.

[BtownBanner6 1,298]

Peyton Siva and Russ Smith disagree.

They had their fair share of challenges against the zone if I remember correctly, they did go 2-1 against the cuse but I'd like to see the box score.

[Uspshoosier 44,248]

They had their fair share of challenges against the zone if I remember correctly, they did go 2-1 against the cuse but I'd like to see the box score.

from 2013 big east tourney http://espn.go.com/ncb/gamecast?gameId=330750097&version=mobile&gcSection=boxscore&src=desktop

[JSHoosier 19,575]

They had their fair share of challenges against the zone if I remember correctly, they did go 2-1 against the cuse but I'd like to see the box score.

The one loss was by 2 points, 70-68.

[BtownBanner6 1,298]

from 2013 big east tourney http://espn.go.com/ncb/gamecast?gameId=330750097&version=mobile&gcSection=boxscore&src=desktop

Thank you, a combined 5-16 from the floor, but showed their advantage over hulls and yogi by their ability to get to them rim and go to the line.

[Uspshoosier 44,248]

They had their fair share of challenges against the zone if I remember correctly, they did go 2-1 against the cuse but I'd like to see the box score.

game from March 2 2013. http://espn.go.com/ncb/gamecast?gameId=330610183&version=mobile&gcSection=boxscore&src=desktop

[Uspshoosier 44,248]

They had their fair share of challenges against the zone if I remember correctly, they did go 2-1 against the cuse but I'd like to see the box score.

finally the game Syracuse won on Jan 19 2013 http://espn.go.com/ncb/gamecast?gameId=330190097&version=mobile&gcSection=boxscore&src=desktop

[BtownBanner6 1,298]

That's 19-63, not sure that means they handled it pretty well. Pitino did a better job of overcoming this problem though then Crean. Of course Pitino had more time and played more often.

[JSHoosier 19,575]

Crean faced them every season in the Big East so he was far from unfamiliar. He didn't do well then either.

[BtownBanner6 1,298]

Crean faced them every season in the Big East so he was far from unfamiliar. He didn't do well then either.

Completely new team. Just because he faced the zone doesn't mean he was an expert on it l. Every team runs it with slight changes. I do agree Crean should've had them better prepared, but I think we play them 10 times we lose.

[BtownBanner6 1,298]

9 of them

[johnsoniu 6,064]

That's 19-63, not sure that means they handled it pretty well. Pitino did a better job of overcoming this problem though then Crean. Of course Pitino had more time and played more often.

 I didn't say they handled it pretty well. I said they would disagree with the premise that 6' guards "can't do anything" against that zone. In the 3 games Smith averaged 17 and Siva averaged 6 assists, won twice and lost by 2. That is something.

 

Was it a bad match-up, sure. Insurmountable, no.

 

Sorry for the thread hijack mods.

[Uspshoosier 44,248]

The 2012-2013 team had the 3rd rated adjusted offense and 28th adjusted defense according to kenpom. I can see this years team match or surpass the 2012 offensive rating but I just dont know if there is anyway they can bring their defensive rating down to 28th from the 200's. Because of the defensive part of the equation I will chose the 2012-2013 team.

[Walking Boot of Doom 18,170]

The 2012-2013 team had the 3rd rated adjusted offense and 28th adjusted defense according to kenpom. I can see this years team match or surpass the 2012 offensive rating but I just dont know if there is anyway they can bring their defensive rating down to 28th from the 200's. Because of the defensive part of the equation I will chose the 2012-2013 team.

This is the big question. To be honest though, I'm having a hard time seeing why the 2015-2016 can't have similar defensive success. Besides Vic, no one on the team was an exceptional defender, and they playing under the same system and same coach. 

 

I don't expect this team to be nearly as good defensively, it's just hard to determine why.

[JSHoosier 19,575]

This team doesn't have a Vic caliber defender.

[Walking Boot of Doom 18,170]

This team doesn't have a Vic caliber defender.

Yes, but one player probably isn't the difference between a top-30 defense and a top-80.

[hper50 1,170]

Wayer >>>> Niego