Can Crean stay in Bloomington?

[sshoosier12 3]

What does coach crean have to do this season wether it's recruiting, keeping players out of trouble, and in games, to get a contract extension and stay in the bloom for more years to come. What does our record have to be for him to keep his job as head coach and not be demoted to water boy?

[WayneFleekHoosier 46,737]

Oh boy, this will be interesting...

I don't see how he holds his job. So much has to go right, going forward.

[KingPG21 6,512]

No. Feel like there is just too much bad off the court stuff against him

 

Also, we have a couple of threads discussing this topic........ not to mention the numerous threads to devolve to this 

[IU Hoosier41 14,465]

I'll bite.

 

1. No more off court issues.  Not sure he can survive another one w/ out winning a TON this season.
2. NCAA Tournament is a MUST.
3. If we are highly seeded, then a Sweet 16 performance. 
4. If we are not highly seeded, atleast getting to the second round and playing that game close.
5. I think the future of Yogi, Troy and JBJ will also influence what happens to Crean if the season was so so.  If 2/3 of them leave, then I'd say it's time to scrap the coach and move forward.

He really can't afford any early season losses.  HAS to beat the teams we are supposed to beat.

[IU Hoosier41 14,465]

Also, we have a couple of threads discussing this topic........ not to mention the numerous threads to devolve to this 

 

 

I'm actually cool with this thread.  It's a pointed question for discussion.

[Trish 11,408]

If we don't go dancing this year, he probably will need to go

 

This is Indiana... 

[AZ Hoosier 6,024]

What does coach crean have to do this season wether it's recruiting, keeping players out of trouble, and in games, to get a contract extension and stay in the bloom for more years to come. What does our record have to be for him to keep his job as head coach and not be demoted to water boy?

 

First of all, Crean is under contract until 2020, so a contract extension had better not be even on the table at this point.

 

Now, what does he need to do to stay at IU? For starters, he has to win, win the right way and keep these kids out of trouble. That’s the obvious, easy answer. What kind of W/L record does he need to keep the job? Not sure. And, in all honesty, winning and losing is not part of the contract. It’s understood that the reason he’s here is to win, but there’s nothing in the contract AFAIK that says he has to win 20 games or 15 games or 1 game. Again, as I recall, there are incentives for winning X number of games, and for reaching milestones like winning the B1G tourney, getting to specific rounds of the NCAA tourney, etc. But there’s nothing in the contract that says he can be terminated for not winning, for example, 10 games.

 

In order to quell the current firestorm, I’d guess he better have a winning record this year. Certainly, a winning record in conference will help. But Crean just needs to keep his (and his team's collective) nose clean. Stay out of trouble, keep the GPA up, and show progress on the court.

 

Glass has already gone on the record supporting Crean. With that done, Crean and the players would have to screw it up pretty bad again to see him ushered out of Assembly Hall.

 

Right or wrong, winning cures a lot of what ails you, especially if it’s done the right way.

[KingPG21 6,512]

I'm actually cool with this thread.  It's a pointed question for discussion.

Aight. At least it isn't another thread that isn't about this specific topic being derailed by people that only want to talk about one thing and one thing only. 

[FortWayneHoosier 5,830]

no way....thats all i say

[ElectricBoogaloo 4,293]

At this point, I'd say he needs to do better than the Sweet 16 regardless of seeding. But I don't even think we will make the dance this year. BIG teams are going to destroy us on the boards and I don't see how our turnover problem is going to get any better. Those two issues create a pretty darn big hole for us and I don't think our improved shooting will be enough.

[schoosier 3,445]

My thoughts are there is nothing he can do except maybe win the B1G and go dancing. That may not be enough, but a final four probably would. I just don't see that happening with our post issues plus he couldn't do it with a much more talented team in 2012.

[GloryDays 5,888]

Aight. At least it isn't another thread that isn't about this specific topic being derailed by people that only want to talk about one thing and one thing only. 

I agree that we cant have any more off court issues.

I also think that we need to finish above 7th in the Big

.I know we are picked 8th and lower but for fans and boosters to be happy Crean probably needs to over achieve if 6th in a weakened league can really be called that..Anything less and i think he's in deep trouble.Before Devin's injuryI think that would've been easily obtainable but that really threw a wrench in things.Holt ,April or both need to be somewhat serviceable.

[coonhounds 8,690]

My thoughts are there is nothing he can do except maybe win the B1G and go dancing. That may not be enough, but a final four probably would. I just don't see that happening with our post issues plus he couldn't do it with a much more talented team in 2012.

in my opinion that is way more than he needs to do and also almost impossible lol. I think he needs top six in big ten a strong tourney run. I seen somebody touch on this earlier but what next years team looks like after season if he accomplishes these goals. Oh yea and no more discipline issues. I hope he is ready for the fight of his life because that is what I feel he is up against

[bleedhoosier 3,627]

Our team gpa is through the roof right now, we just came off a big ten championship, we have a flow of burger boys coming through, we have another promising team this year. Would we be talking so much about this if Devin Davis didn't jump onto a hood of a car? I watch too many programs have the same alcohol or drug incidents every year. Yea, we all have this ideal about IU is supposed to be superior but honestly, that's unrealistic and WAS NOT EVEN TRUE IN THE PAST WITH BOB KNIGHT. So really, IU is no more clean of a program than Louisville. 

 

I'd rather have a program that makes men out of young boys. Some of you guys act like literally nothing is supposed to "go wrong" with our program and it is some saint on the throne of moral standards. IU NEVER WAS IN THE FIRST PLACE. Quit lofting IU into some fantasy period where the bball players didn't drink, harass women and smoke the devil's lettuce. 

 

As long as this program isn't handing out Mercedes and Ps3's with a stack in the bottom of the box, I'm good. Crean isn't doing any of that and is just a hair too lenient to his players. Orrrrr, maybe just like when he won't release info about injuries, he carries that same trait with the "infractions" and in house punishments.

 

So in summary - As long as Crean has a winning record and we make the dance I think we are doing more harm than good by running him off. Unless you are pulling a hall of fame'r, elite coach here to IU I wouldn't even consider getting rid of Crean. This dude is improving himself day to day as well. Why not hang tight for his glory years also? The rebuild was done, we had two killer teams recently and 1 drop back, last year. I'm not sure I see the problem. I want another banner also but we are in a good spot as a program.

 

EDIT: The only thing I think should have some serious consideration in all of this is if Stan should remain on the team but Crean is loyal to building the character of these guys. We don't know what has happened behind the closed door but I'm banking that one more with Stan and Crean is pulling the plug. 

 

just my thoughts - many will disagree.. 

[Dalton26 16,891]

I didn't think he'd survive past this season regardless so with everything else that's happened id put his chances at -37%

[Hovadipo 52,937]

I hope Crean survives this year. That means we did something pretty friggin remarkable in all likelihood.

[Walking Boot of Doom 18,170]

No off the court issues and a tournament berth keeps him here. I don't think he has to do much to keep his job.

[TheStillman 991]

Get to the tournament, lose no major pieces to NBA and have the outlook going into next season of a top 15 team.  

[Kepner 1,261]

I think he stays no matter what unless there is another off the court issue. Wilson has been kept even though football hasn't seemed to get better. I think Glass is a guy who will keep people around. Heck I think every AD is. Remember how long Davis was here? I don't see Crean leaving within the next year or two unless there are more incidents 

[FKfootball 1,046]

Glass has fired a bunch of coaches. His job is on the line as well. He needs to win now.