Thoughts on Crowd Booing CTC/ Players?

[cappymo14 2,276]

Damn, that dude really hates Indiana.

[cappymo14 2,276]

Still of the opinion that they weren't booing coach Crean or the players on the court.

Somebody made a decent argument that it was for the MU player from an Indiana H.S.  Can't remember the guys name under this kind of pressure but he did hit a shot just before the T.O.  I could maybe get talked into that one.  I like that better than thinking that the boo' s influenced coaching decisions.

[IUfan_Charlie 3,867]

Crean has not worn out his welcome by any means. Listen to the crowd when he does his pre-game announcement- they go nuts. The sub patterns are perplexing, but there has to be a reason for them. None of us are privy to practices or strategy meetings. The players he puts in may have played exceptionally well together in practice. He may be putting together rotations for next year. We don't know. I'll agree- sometimes the lineups don't make sense, but to say he has worn out his stay is asinine.


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If this is true, that is pathetic. Now is not the time to be messing with rotations at all especially for next year. Rotations should be set by the time conference play has started. 

[djsalway 4,161]

Somebody made a decent argument that it was for the MU player from an Indiana H.S.  Can't remember the guys name under this kind of pressure but he did hit a shot just before the T.O.  I could maybe get talked into that one.  I like that better than thinking that the boo' s influenced coaching decisions.

 

I was the one that made that argument and the player's name is Zak Irvin. I might not be absolutely correct, but I am pretty positive that is why the students were booing.

[TrueHoosier62 1,592]

Wow, sometimes you just feel sorry for people and their opinions.  When their "facts" are so distorted it becomes reality and to them everyone else is living a fantasy life.  People are just funny. 

I know, I feel the same way.

[Indymike7 35]

Maybe we should boo the other teams players more often....It seemed to work out pretty well for us.

[TrueHoosier62 1,592]

Damn, that dude really hates Indiana.

No, that dude doesn't hate Indiana. That "dude" simply refuses to drink the Koolaid. Those who want to pooh pooh criticisms of the team, and pretend all is just fine, are the same kind of fans that one can find in wonderful abundance in West Lafayette.

[The Ola Depot 1,213]

Also take into account the lineup had two possessions before the booing occurred, so it wasn't as if they booed immediately as the lineup came in.


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[KB0 827]

I was the one that made that argument and the player's name is Zak Irvin. I might not be absolutely correct, but I am pretty positive that is why the students were booing.

I can assure you they were not booing Irvin.

[JSHoosier 19,932]

If this is true, that is pathetic. Now is not the time to be messing with rotations at all especially for next year. Rotations should be set by the time conference play has started. 

Yeah, you worry about rotations for next year in the off season.

[HoosierReb01 7,511]

for some it may be appropriate, others not so much. The problem is when you boo against a lineup change it almost seems as if youre booing the players, because technically youre saying "they arent good enough, get them off the court" or "why is he in?". Also youre saying "coach what are you doing?" It can go both ways

I can see that particularly if it just came down to booing a specific player, but booing a particular combination of players? Too me its not the same.

[TrueHoosier62 1,592]

Bob Knight, please come back.

They know not, what they are doing.
 

[JaybobHoosier 11,839]

I was the one that made that argument and the player's name is Zak Irvin. I might not be absolutely correct, but I am pretty positive that is why the students were booing.

 

I would agree, except the crowd really cheered when Yogi got up to check in. That's a great idea, but I respectfully disagree.

[mdn82 25,510]

No, that dude doesn't hate Indiana. That "dude" simply refuses to drink the Koolaid. Those who want to pooh pooh criticisms of the team, and pretend all is just fine, are the same kind of fans that one can find in wonderful abundance in West Lafayette.

 

They don't want to pooh pooh criticisms.  You don't come around much do you?  If you feel that way you must not.  We are just not blinded by our hatred of Crean.  We hope to win.  We understand his limitations as an in game coach.  The things you have said are a little extreme, and fine, but don't be surprise with the responses you get.  Its funny, you refer to him as a salesman, then say that well is drying up.  Funny, considering he is still getting top talent.  You want Bobby Knight back?  Good luck there.  You are officially in the minority.  

[LIHoosier 25,981]

Sorry for not quoting people directly, but there were little tidbits through the thread I wanted to harp on. 

 

“CTC called time, and adjusted.”

 

Problem is, Crean cherishes timeouts like they’re a precious metal. The fans that booed were likely in the belief that the lineup out there may have played for another 2-3 minutes if the clock didn’t stop.

 

While we’re bringing up Crean’s shortcomings in this thread, I feel that he relies too much on media timeouts and the natural stop/starts in a basketball game to help in making subs, administering playing time, and implementing strategy. Sometimes you have play stop every 20 seconds, sometimes you get a game like MIch St/Iowa last week that had something like 8 minutes of straight playing time.

 

“Crean is 25% coach, 25% snake oil salesman, and 50 % cheerleader.”

 

To be fair, that can be said for any major college football or basketball coach. They need to be as much a politician and a CEO for the school/athletic program that hire them as much as a tactical coach or scholar in their respective sport. It’s why they get paid the millions…and millions of dollars they get.

 

“Dakich blames it on IU allowing more east coast students in to IU creating a more Pro crowd”

 

Speaking of the East Coast, NY sports talk hosts that I’ve heard for years would blush at the way Dakich stirs up the pot for no other reason than his own ego and ratings. At this point, he should legally change his last name to Troll Face.

[mdn82 25,510]

^^^^^^ Yep.  

[TrueHoosier62 1,592]

They don't want to pooh pooh criticisms.  You don't come around much do you?  If you feel that way you must not.  We are just not blinded by our hatred of Crean.  We hope to win.  We understand his limitations as an in game coach.  The things you have said are a little extreme, and fine, but don't be surprise with the responses you get.  Its funny, you refer to him as a salesman, then say that well is drying up.  Funny, considering he is still getting top talent.  You want Bobby Knight back?  Good luck there.  You are officially in the minority.  

Let's get something straight. I was a part of Hoosier Nation, then migrated like others to that mistake of a site "who's name must not be spoken", then back here to B'Town Banners, after it got up and running again. I know perfectly well, the type of people who are here, and they're the same people who were saying the same things years ago. They just want to get along and sing kumbayah, and think lovely thoughts of basketballs being dribbled though flowered meadows in March whilst someone sings "We shall Overcome" on a flute. That's fine, I suppose, if we were talking about Champaign, or West Lafayette. Not Bloomington.

 

"We understand his limitations as an ingame coach"? Really? This is your sum total assessment/critique of the coaching capabilities for CTC? I'm not a Crean hater, but I am old enough to remember what actual greatness resembles, and he ain't it.

Coach Knight was. His teams were. If I'm in the minority, so be it. But he has the titles to show it. Crean doesn't.....and won't. That is one thing that has become patently obvious by now. If that upsets the milk and cookies crowd, sorry.

[Hovadipo 55,308]

[quote name="TrueHoosier62" post="35134" timestamp="1391476548"]Let's get something straight. I was a part of Hoosier Nation, then migrated like others to that mistake of a site "who's name must not be spoken", then back here to B'Town Banners, after it got up and running again. I know perfectly well, the type of people who are here, and they're the same people who were saying the same things years ago. They just want to get along and sing kumbayah, and think lovely thoughts of basketballs being dribbled though flowered meadows in March whilst someone sings "We shall Overcome" on a flute. That's fine, I suppose, if we were talking about Champaign, or West Lafayette. Not Bloomington.

"We understand his limitations as an ingame coach"? Really? This is your sum total assessment/critique of the coaching capabilities for CTC? I'm not a Crean hater, but I am old enough to remember what actual greatness resembles, and he ain't it.
Coach Knight was. His teams were. If I'm in the minority, so be it. But he has the titles to show it. Crean doesn't.....and won't. That is one thing that has become patently obvious by now. If that upsets the milk and cookies crowd, sorry.[/quote]

Do a little digging through this site and you will find plenty of harsh Crean criticizing. I would say it's a happy medium here. Plenty of negativity evened out by positivity. Exactly how it should be.


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[mdn82 25,510]

Let's get something straight. I was a part of Hoosier Nation, then migrated like others to that mistake of a site "who's name must not be spoken", then back here to B'Town Banners, after it got up and running again. I know perfectly well, the type of people who are here, and they're the same people who were saying the same things years ago. They just want to get along and sing kumbayah, and think lovely thoughts of basketballs being dribbled though flowered meadows in March whilst someone sings "We shall Overcome" on a flute. That's fine, I suppose, if we were talking about Champaign, or West Lafayette. Not Bloomington.

 

"We understand his limitations as an ingame coach"? Really? This is your sum total assessment/critique of the coaching capabilities for CTC? I'm not a Crean hater, but I am old enough to remember what actual greatness resembles, and he ain't it.

Coach Knight was. His teams were. If I'm in the minority, so be it. But he has the titles to show it. Crean doesn't.....and won't. That is one thing that has become patently obvious by now. If that upsets the milk and cookies crowd, sorry.

 

Well then.  Let me address the first paragraph first so there is no confusion.  I don't give a damn what your perception of any place we came is.  You followed us here.  If you came here to troll, because of your perception of people on another site, you can just leave.  If you have followed us you know our rules.  That is all I will really say about that.  

 

Second paragraph.  You are not a Crean hater?  You said that in your first flipping post.  Let me understand, you are absolutely certain he will fail, but you still like him?  Hmm..  Not buying that.  I am young and all, and I believe everything I am told.  That is what the cookie crowd does.  God knows you are old enough to know what greatness is if you want RMK here.  His last title was almost 30 years ago.  Yes he has the titles to show it, but he couldn't crack it in modern recruiting.  He couldn't even crack it in 90s recruiting (Again 20 years ago yet you still want him as our coach).  He was great, and I am old enough to remember IU winning under him.  You speak in a lot of absolutes for someone who is not a Crean hater.  If that upsets the geezers living under the glory years of yesteryear then, sit back and enjoy some Ensure with our Cookies.  I guess I will go back to enjoying the nipple with my cookie.  Youth always wins!  Hope the new place is to your liking.  If you truly feel people here are loving all thing Crean here, you might come to a game thread.  If not, you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.  Which I am guessing you don't, because you have a perception of people based on their discussions.  Not speaking in absolutes like yourself.  

[mdn82 25,510]

Do a little digging through this site and you will find plenty of harsh Crean criticizing. I would say it's a happy medium here. Plenty of negativity evened out by positivity. Exactly how it should be.


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Funny thing is, I am typically one of the more critical people here.