What makes us IU fans so hard to please?

[Will_Padgman 194]

Let me ask you a question. Isn't that Creans job to replace those players?

You don't see Duke or UK using that excuse. No matter what they lose they both expect similar results every year. The "we lost so much" excuse is just that an excuse. That is the Head coach and his staffs job to replace those kids and keep winning. Next man up if you will.
 

 

I agree, it is. But, those schools have been consistently winning for the past decade, i.e. when the students who are playing now watched and followed basketball. It is easier to recruit when you have a longer track record of winning, and winning recently.

 

Also, with replacing, that becomes more difficult when you never have an idea of when any given player might leave for the draft, or even transfer. You never know what you might need for the next season.

 

Call these excuses, as they well may be. I am a very forgiving person, and feel like it requires time to bounce back from things that happen. I just give a longer leash, I guess.

[jdailey1981 155]

Look what happened last season....IU started the season #1 and stayed #1 for a while, than came the games we lost...I mean like Wisconsin for instance...they are IU's kryptonite if you will. They always have the # and know what to do to get the results.

This team, along with new recruits next season, has strong potential to be a powerhouse, but remember what Norman Dale said in the movie Hoosiers "Sure, there is alot of talent there, but it is raw and undisciplined." That is this team. All I can say is that next season best be a good year, or that seat of CTC's will start feeling mighty warm.

[jdailey1981 155]

IU can and will bounce back. It just has to find what once made it what was. Also, fans will have to understand that we can't expect results overnight. I understand that this is CTC's first team of his own, but he can't also expect fans to sit on their hands and wait 3 seasons each time either.

He once said that he wants everyone to know that this will take some time, and there are no promises to make, no time tables to meet, just that he is here to rebuild and in it for the ling haul. This season isn't over yet, and I still think some surprises could be made

[JSHoosier 19,842]

IU can and will bounce back. It just has to find what once made it what was. Also, fans will have to understand that we can't expect results overnight. I understand that this is CTC's first team of his own, but he can't also expect fans to sit on their hands and wait 3 seasons each time either.

He once said that he wants everyone to know that this will take some time, and there are no promises to make, no time tables to meet, just that he is here to rebuild and in it for the ling haul. This season isn't over yet, and I still think some surprises could be made

It's really not the "first team of his own".  The only player on last year's roster that was a hangover from a certain other coach was Elston, and he didn't play much.  Everyone else committed to Crean and was recruited by Crean.

 

The rebuild is over, and has been.  He cannot/should not try to sell us on rebuilding again because we shouldn't be rebuilding every few years.  He said that during the rebuild, so it shouldn't apply now.  He cannot expect fans to be hunky dory with failing to meet even low expectations by missing the NIT.  It's time he has to start living up to the expectations that go along with coaching at IU.  It's what he agreed to.

[coachmayhew 1,414]

I was born & raised a Hoosier, I will live & die a Hoosier. I remember sitting on the couch next to my dad when Keith Smart hit "the shot" in 1987, it was unreal. (I was 8 yrs old) Then as a teen I became what I considered friends with Matt Nover & Todd Leary, Todd's girlfriend & now ex wife had a house right next door to my grandparents. They were the coolest guys ever (to me at least). I remember Leary's freshman year against Duke in the tourney, he came off the bench with about 1:30 or so left in the game. Cheaney, Graham, Bailey, Henderson, all fouled out. We were down 10 or so & he knocked down 3 straight from long range, we fell just short of beating Duke that day. Kirk Hastings game winner over #1 MSU, AJ Moye block of Carlos Boozer, the countless number of games I have attended in my lifetime, Hoosier Hysteria (Midnight Madness) is a family tradition of ours, all the way too and now beyond the unforgettable "Wat Shot". I even have IU basketball tattooed on me. It sometimes seems like I live and die with every game. Even with or after all of that I am not hard to please, this Hoosier, just wants to WIN! Sent from my Venue 8 3830 using BtownBanners mobile app

[HoosierReb01 7,511]

 It sometimes seems like I live and die with every game. Even with or after all of that I am not hard to please, this Hoosier, just wants to WIN! 

 

Hah! Thats one big reason IU fans are so hard to please. A bigger thing is, that not only do we want to win, but we want it done the right way.

[OliviaPope40 6,449]

I always thought that IU was one of the best programs ever because of our history of doing well in tournament in the past and having so many banners hanging in the rafters and I was so excited when we got Davis and got past Duke in the tournament and wanting to add another banner and then my hopes were dashed when we hired Sampson and all that history got sucked down the drain and we never got out of the drain and then when we hired Crean I thought okay maybe he can be the one and he still might be and then we hit the last two seasons and I thought we have a shot at this but I was wrong and so disappointed and then we come to this season and I said this is going to be a long one so maybe my expectations are too high for this program. I decided to place some players on a pedestal and my hopes were dashed when they decided to leave and I became heartbroken. 

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[JSHoosier 19,842]

I always thought that IU was one of the best programs ever because of our history of doing well in tournament in the past and having so many banners hanging in the rafters and I was so excited when we got Davis and got past Duke in the tournament and wanting to add another banner and then my hopes were dashed when we hired Sampson and all that history got sucked down the drain and we never got out of the drain and then when we hired Crean I thought okay maybe he can be the one and he still might be and then we hit the last two seasons and I thought we have a shot at this but I was wrong and so disappointed and then we come to this season and I said this is going to be a long one so maybe my expectations are too high for this program. I decided to place some players on a pedestal and my hopes were dashed when they decided to leave and I became heartbroken. 

Some were excited to have Davis coach, most of them got over that when they saw Davis "coach".

[mdn82 25,510]

Some were excited to have Davis coach, most of them got over that when they saw Davis "coach".

 

I am going to duck after saying this, but the one thing everyone is not happy with is what Sampson was best at.  Davis was a terrible coach.  Sampson was a great coach, but couldn't stay within the rules of the time.  People saying they weren't excited about Sampson as a coach when he was hired probably aren't telling the truth.  I would say an overwhelming majority were pretty happy with that hire when it first happened.  People don't think about the total package involved with being a coach.  In game coaching is the most visible when everything else is going good, but the other parts can take down a program.  I honestly don't know if Crean is the long term answer.  If he is not, I hope we don't hire a coach regardless of other issues for sake of bringing in a coach.  

[Brittad2014 8]

[quote name="Will_Padgman" post="28426" timestamp="1389129342"]I'm interested to know a few things from your post. Not looking to start an argument, mind you, but rather understand what you see and how you see it.

1. You say Crean isn't living up to Knight's standards. Who else in the college basketball coaching sphere can? I only see a few, and they aren't leaving where they are because they enjoy it there, so who could come in and truly live up to these expectations?

2. You say talents aren't being utilized, and if they were we would be a much better team. Can you elaborate on those and how they would change the team that much?

3. As All_Hoosiers mentioned, Crean lost what he had built with. How can someone expect similar results from a team that loses so much to graduation or the draft?

Just things that I find interesting when people talk about them, would love to know how differing thought processes work. Thanks[/quote]

First off I must have said something I thought made sense, but really only made sense in my head. Bob Kinght is one of a kind, and no one can live up to him, not even his son. But I do expect Crean to live up to Knight's and even McCrackens tradition of winning, and having a winning team. I also understand we technically have a winning record right now, but Big Ten season has barely started and it's throwing some serious punches.

2. About the talents, I can't really explain what I see but I see it. Sorry, I know that is know help at all. But maybe if Crean would leave players in for longer than 2 minutes, something might change. Maybe.

3. Crean knew he was losing at the very least Jordan, Derek, and Christian. With Vic being on track to graduate, he was gone to the draft, no surprise at all. Cody was the only real "surprise" and I use that term loosely because if you look at the one and dones this year, this NBA draft is going to be full of potential, so Cody made a smart career move for himself and his stock in the draft, one that broke my heart, but a smart career move nonetheless. Crean should've prepared for this. But I also think Sheehey needs to find his new Vic on this team. He hasn't been the same with out him. Sheehey needs to play like the senior we need him to be. I like our freshman this year, but somewhere the puzzle pieces aren't fitting for this team.
P.S. Sorry this last section has been so rambly. Hope this helped! Message me if you have any other questions, I'm always up for attempting to explain my opinion to someone.


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[Hovadipo 55,156]

Tuesday should be fun..Wisconson up 25 at half against Illinois.


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[OliviaPope40 6,449]

Tuesday should be fun..Wisconson up 25 at half against Illinois.


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The Grinch is back I hate Bo Ryan.

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[FortWayneHoosier 5,919]

The Grinch is back I hate Bo Ryan.

as much as wisky has our number so to speak. Bo is a tremendous coach, he may coach a boring style of play, but he gets it done

[mdn82 25,510]

as much as wisky has our number so to speak. Bo is a tremendous coach, he may coach a boring style of play, but he gets it done

 

They aren't too boring this year.  They just don't make mistakes AND hit shots.  I don't look for this to be the year we beat them.  Never thought I would say that in my life about Wisconsin.  

[BrownCoEagle 8]

as far as coaching goes, there is no replacement for Bob Knight, especially not the pre-1995 Knight. it's not Alford and it's not Crean.

i know we're young and all that, and lost a ton of talent and leadership from last season, but i'm just not convinced that Crean's style is ever going to garner much success in the B1G. You have to have bruisers to win in the B1G, imo. if you can't be physical and tough, then it's very hard to win unless you have 2 lottery picks and multiple shooters on your team. defense and toughness is what wins in this conference, we don't have enough of either. hard to win with finesse and a bunch of wings that can't shoot. we aren't physically tough as a team and we aren't mentally tough at all. make stupid mistakes over and over again. you cannot play sloppy fast paced ball and win at this level. teams are just too good nowdays. if you have Kentucky talent you can get by with it, but not with the talent we have.

[Alford_fan 6]

I'm not sure that us IU fans are hard to please. I myself don't expect us to win the NCAA every year, but I do expect us to be competitive. I am not interested in seeing Tom Crean bring in great talent every year as a great recruiter, but not know how to coach them into playing together as a team. It is one thing to say he had to rebuild, but come on he has had five years. He has plenty of talent on the team this year to make them competitive. I don't expect them to win it all because they are young, but they should still be competitive. 

 

People that are dishing on Alford for his coaching and saying that he hasn't done anything, haven't followed his coaching very well. He has done well every where he has been besides Iowa, and I'm not sure anybody will do well there. The teams he has been on, haven't been the kind of teams where you can get the recruits like you can at IU. His intelligence for basketball is high above Tom Creans. 

[Alford_fan 6]

Who in the hell is Steve Alfred?  If you mean Steve ALFORD, then he really hasn't shown much as a HC and has limited tourney success.  I think it'll be interesting to see how he does at UCLA, but I wouldn't want him at IU yet.

Alford has recorded more NCAA victories (463) as a collegiate head coach, age 48 or younger, than any other head coach in the nation. Alford, who will turn 49 on Nov. 23, 2013, has totaled a 463-235 overall record in 22 seasons as a collegiate head coach. He began his collegiate coaching career at the age of 26 at Manchester College

[HoosierReb01 7,511]

I'm not sure that us IU fans are hard to please. I myself don't expect us to win the NCAA every year, but I do expect us to be competitive. I am not interested in seeing Tom Crean bring in great talent every year as a great recruiter, but not know how to coach them into playing together as a team. It is one thing to say he had to rebuild, but come on he has had five years. He has plenty of talent on the team this year to make them competitive. I don't expect them to win it all because they are young, but they should still be competitive. 

 

People that are dishing on Alford for his coaching and saying that he hasn't done anything, haven't followed his coaching very well. He has done well every where he has been besides Iowa, and I'm not sure anybody will do well there. The teams he has been on, haven't been the kind of teams where you can get the recruits like you can at IU. His intelligence for basketball is high above Tom Creans. 

 

 

There is so much that goes into being a big time college BKB coach, and BKB IQ isn't all of it. He's definitely a good coach, and he now has a platform to show whether he is the type of coach who can excel at a blue blood program. As much as I like Alford, I would not be sold on him as a IU hire at this point.  

[All_Hoosiers 873]

[quote name="Alford_fan" post="28893" timestamp="1389459611"]I'm not sure that us IU fans are hard to please. I myself don't expect us to win the NCAA every year, but I do expect us to be competitive. I am not interested in seeing Tom Crean bring in great talent every year as a great recruiter, but not know how to coach them into playing together as a team. It is one thing to say he had to rebuild, but come on he has had five years. He has plenty of talent on the team this year to make them competitive. I don't expect them to win it all because they are young, but they should still be competitive.

People that are dishing on Alford for his coaching and saying that he hasn't done anything, haven't followed his coaching very well. He has done well every where he has been besides Iowa, and I'm not sure anybody will do well there. The teams he has been on, haven't been the kind of teams where you can get the recruits like you can at IU. His intelligence for basketball is high above Tom Creans. [/quote]

If Alford had never played at Indiana, would you even care about him or his coaching?


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[Alford_fan 6]

If Alford had never played at Indiana, would you even care about him or his coaching?


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Probably not! But he learned under one of the best. He knows IU basketball, and he is a great coach. There are a lot of players and coaches I wouldn't know about if they didn't play for IU. I am an IU fan, therefore I know our players and the ones that are coaching.