Transfer Portal w IU Interest

[IUGRAD06 139]

2 hours ago, Crimson and Cream said:

I think the Perkins shooting concerns are a bit overblown, and given we've had to deal with X and Galloway's shooting the past couple years I understand the panic, but let's think about this. 

We're talking about a senior guard who just averaged 14/5/4 in the Big Ten, and also brings good defense and leadership to a program that desperately will need it with so many new faces. I understand the 30% from 3 is worth noting, but he shot 33% his other 3 seasons and shot 77% from the FT line throughout his career, indicating there's shooting ability there. His form isn't broken like X and Trey's shots. If he replicates his numbers from last year and his 3 point % jumped up to 33, I can't imagine there'd be any complaining around here. You'd definitely want a consistently strong shooter at the other guard spot but we should be thrilled if Perkins chooses to come here. We're a tournament team this year if we had a Tony Perkins.

They had two capable 3 pt shooters and still shot 2-3 percent higher than us. We had one in Ware who averaged one 3 a game. There two best three point shooters averaged 10 3s a game while ours averaged 2 3s.  His shots will be more difficult with what we have compared to what he has had in the past.  Perkins isn’t a high volume three point shooter at 2 per game. You can’t put five guys on the floor who can’t shoot the three.  It’s a recipe for a disaster offensively.  

[Class of '66 Old Fart 84,005]

@Mike Wiemuth (iuinphilly) a warm welcome to btb.  You're my kind of guy and have been following you on other sites for some time.  Really like how you take emotion out of the analysis.  Hope we see you often on btb. 

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4 hours ago, IUGRAD06 said:

They had two capable 3 pt shooters and still shot 2-3 percent higher than us. We had one in Ware who averaged one 3 a game. There two best three point shooters averaged 10 3s a game while ours averaged 2 3s.  His shots will be more difficult with what we have compared to what he has had in the past.  Perkins isn’t a high volume three point shooter at 2 per game. You can’t put five guys on the floor who can’t shoot the three.  It’s a recipe for a disaster offensively.  

Our best three point shooters did not average taking two threes per game.  Not sure how you coming up with.  Even if you contorting that to say our best shooters were ware and Leal based on percentage, they come out close to three.

[str8baller 5,067]

8 hours ago, AH1971 said:

Perkins TO rate for both his Jr and Sr seasons was 12% which is beyond elite. It’s a huge reason why Iowa finished 4th and 15th in offensive efficiency per KenPom with Perkins as its starting PG.

I guess if I take this assumption at face value I also have to also credit Perkins as a huge reason for Iowas 157th ranked Def efficiency.  

 

I have to say I don't find either assertion very credible. 

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8 hours ago, IndyHoops said:

Now just imagine if everything was the exact same except Cupps was a 40% 3PT shooter. Just tweak that….nothing else. Would IU have won more games?

 

No.  Cupps shooting 40% from three last year literally means two more made threes.

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10 hours ago, Mike Wiemuth (iuinphilly) said:

If you look at Box Plus Minus scores from the team last year, one thing stands out…Ware will be hard to replace.  He’s a 8.5 BPM while the rest of the starters total BPM is 8.4 combined (Reneau: 4.4, Mgbako: 2.2, Gallo: 2.1, XJ: -0.3).

To get “safely” back into the tournament you’ll need a start BPM  total around 30-35.  So without Kel’el, where is that hole getting filled?  Let’s say you bump MM and MR to 15 combined (which is possible), you have to find another 15+ from the other 3 slots.  
 

Perkins is a 5 BPM.  So he’s on target, but just barely.  You might need one or two guys more in the 7 range like Nelson/Estrada from Bama.  Either way, you’ll need to hit some home runs very soon.

One thing to keep in mind is that BPM is a very…in exact science.  Jordan Geronimo was a 4.7 BPM player his last year at IU.  No one in their right mind would ever say he’s that good.

[Stuhoo 79,755]

For the Leland Walker visit, and the not-unlikely prospect of a Leland Walker commitment soon thereafter:

 

[AH1971 1,446]

17 minutes ago, str8baller said:

I guess if I take this assumption at face value I also have to also credit Perkins as a huge reason for Iowas 157th ranked Def efficiency.  

 

I have to say I don't find either assertion very credible. 

Take it however you will. Perkins had the best defensive win share on that team.

[str8baller 5,067]

1 minute ago, AH1971 said:

Take it however you will. Perkins had the best defensive win share on that team.

I see him with the 2nd. But I agree he's a good defender.

 

To that end, he was fourth in OWS. So not nearly the reason they rank high in off efficiency by that metric.  

 

We've all seen him play.  I think others have laid it out well.  He's a nice player.  He isn't going to come in and solve many of our issues on offense because he's not that type of pg. His steady ball handling will certainly help and be a welcome addition.  

 

For me, it's not that he's not a good player.  The other poster put it best about us needing to hit home runs.  We potentiality start returning guys with so many limitations--as currently deployed in Woodys scheme--that we need to land some really dynamic players as our final two starters. Perkins falls just short of that for me. All imo, of course.

[AH1971 1,446]

1 minute ago, str8baller said:

I see him with the 2nd. But I agree he's a good defender.

 

To that end, he was fourth in OWS. So not nearly the reason they rank high in off efficiency by that metric.  

 

We've all seen him play.  I think others have laid it out well.  He's a nice player.  He isn't going to come in and solve many of our issues on offense because he's not that type of pg. His steady ball handling will certainly help and be a welcome addition.  

 

For me, it's not that he's not a good player.  The other poster put it best about us needing to hit home runs.  We potentiality start returning guys with so many limitations--as currently deployed in Woodys scheme--that we need to land some really dynamic players as our final two starters. Perkins falls just short of that for me. All imo, of course.

Realize the need for home runs. But you're down 4 runs in the 9th inning. Swinging for the fences does you no good. You need base runners. And then you can swing for the fences. 

[str8baller 5,067]

9 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

Realize the need for home runs. But you're down 4 runs in the 9th inning. Swinging for the fences does you no good. You need base runners. And then you can swing for the fences. 

But in your scenario, base runners are also outs. Scholarships are limited.  So are starting spots. So once Perkins is signed, you forgo the opportunity to sign a better PG. These guys are not going to come and compete for starting spots. We have one at pg. So it's Perkins or another guy, not both.

[Stuhoo 79,755]

1 minute ago, str8baller said:

But in your scenario, base runners are also outs. Scholarships are limited.  So are starting spots. So once Perkins is signed, you forgo the opportunity to sign a better PG. These guys are not going to come and compete for starting spots. We have one at pg. So it's Perkins or another guy, not both.

My point remains:

Perkins is not a single... he is a semi-home run, but only if he is paired with appropriate roster construction. So I 100% agree that a starting backcourt of Perkins and Gallo has two excellent players who are not compatible with modern-era winning. But a backcourt of Perkins and, say, Conwell, with Galloway and Hickman  as the sixth and seventh men would potentially be good stuff, especially if the offensive philosophy is re-evaluated.

Speculating about this is fun, but I'm waiting until May 1st to have an informed opinion.

[Class of '66 Old Fart 84,005]

Per Inside The Hall's last update Skyy Clark is off the board.

[Stuhoo 79,755]

Just now, Class of '66 Old Fart said:

Per Inside The Hall's last update Skyy Clark is off the board.

Good.

He is a crap-@$$ player with a sulky attitude.

[Class of '66 Old Fart 84,005]

Leland Walker visit will not happen today and will be re-scheduled.  Per Rabby, apparently the upcoming dead period does cover portal recruiting as well as traditional HS recruiting and IU didn't want to rush his visit. He also mentioned coaches typically leave on Tuesday to head for the coaches convention.

Now the cynic in me says maybe there's somebody else we feel better about who will enter the portal today or tomorrow or it's someone we've already reached out to who is giving us a warm and fuzzy feeling.

 

[dwtaylor1055 1,523]

5 minutes ago, Class of '66 Old Fart said:

Leland Walker visit will not happen today and will be re-scheduled.  Per Rabby, apparently the upcoming dead period does cover portal recruiting as well as traditional HS recruiting and IU didn't want to rush his visit. He also mentioned coaches typically leave on Tuesday to head for the coaches convention.

Now the cynic in me says maybe there's somebody else we feel better about who will enter the portal today or tomorrow or it's someone we've already reached out to who is giving us a warm and fuzzy feeling.

 

Maybe Perkins deal comes to fruition soon?

[ap2345 7,571]

6 minutes ago, Class of '66 Old Fart said:

Leland Walker visit will not happen today and will be re-scheduled.  Per Rabby, apparently the upcoming dead period does cover portal recruiting as well as traditional HS recruiting and IU didn't want to rush his visit. He also mentioned coaches typically leave on Tuesday to head for the coaches convention.

Now the cynic in me says maybe there's somebody else we feel better about who will enter the portal today or tomorrow or it's someone we've already reached out to who is giving us a warm and fuzzy feeling.

 

Woodson probably just had to reschedule his flight to catch an earlier tee time but there is a chance some other things are going on that haven’t gotten out yet

[Hoosierfanyuh 2,148]

If we’re going to slow play anyone walker would be my pick so I’m okay with the decision lol

[Golfman25 5,039]

10 minutes ago, Class of '66 Old Fart said:

Leland Walker visit will not happen today and will be re-scheduled.  Per Rabby, apparently the upcoming dead period does cover portal recruiting as well as traditional HS recruiting and IU didn't want to rush his visit. He also mentioned coaches typically leave on Tuesday to head for the coaches convention.

Now the cynic in me says maybe there's somebody else we feel better about who will enter the portal today or tomorrow or it's someone we've already reached out to who is giving us a warm and fuzzy feeling.

 

Or the kid is about to commit elsewhere?  

[str8baller 5,067]

16 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

but I'm waiting until May 1st to have an informed opinion.

I'll probably wait longer than that.  We (collectively,  not you and I) did this dance last year where well after we landed Ware people were convinced we'd play 4 out or that reneau or Galloway would come of the bench. I personally don't see it with Woody but will be happy to be proven wrong. When I look at these transfer options I generally assume the existing structure won't change much until I see something different.