They “Retired” Coach Woodson Thread

[mamasa 15,702]

51 minutes ago, Scotty R said:

Worked for RMK, it is just today's players are coddled and soft

Knight was, by definition, a sociopath. He was good coach. Not a great or good man. Today's players train harder, train more, and are more advanced than any other generation. Just because you don't let some grown man act like a jackass to you doesn't mean you're soft. Coddled? Because they know their worth and take advantage of it?

[AZ Hoosier 9,228]

25 minutes ago, Scotty R said:

Did also here DD play the Woodson press conference from last night and compared to the one of RMK after we won at NW in 87. Want to talk about a contrast in coaching styles. RMK was ripping on Alford for the lack of leadership and in this game he broke the IU all time scoring record

So, apparently, the proverbial acorn does fall far from the tree.

[Hornsby 3,083]

Bosnian player to IU?!?! Extend Woody!

That's why Woodson makes the big bucks. Just let him cook! But I wonder how much that kid cost the cooks? I assume Ferguson negotiated the money.

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[Hoosierfan2017 23,222]

5 minutes ago, mamasa said:

Knight was, by definition, a sociopath. He was good coach. Not a great or good man man. Today's players train harder, train more, and are more advanced than any other nation. Just because you don't let some grown man act like a jackass to you doesn't mean you're soft. Coddled? Because they know their worth and take advantage of it?

Bob Knight’s approach wouldn’t work in 2025. It didn’t really work in the 90s. But my ideal coach would be a lot closer to Bob Knight than he’d be to Mike Woodson. 

[Chris007 53,888]

14 minutes ago, deserthoosier said:

Bosnian player to IU?!?! Extend Woody!

I'm guessing he committing to IU. His agent knows everything that is going on. No matter who the coach will be our NIL is better than those other schools

[BlueDevil 9,256]

At the very least I can’t imagine any world where Indiana University sticks a microphone in Mike Woodsons hands on senior day and lets him speak to a crowd that will boo the living hell out of him. He won’t make it to the end.

[Hornsby 3,083]

I'm guessing he committing to IU. His agent knows everything that is going on. No matter who the coach will be our NIL is better than those other schools

Just let Woodson cook!!!!!!!!! Quinn must be on cloud nine

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[Hoosier987 1,585]

16 minutes ago, mamasa said:

Knight was, by definition, a sociopath. He was good coach. Not a great or good man man. Today's players train harder, train more, and are more advanced than any other nation. Just because you don't let some grown man act like a jackass to you doesn't mean you're soft. Coddled? Because they know their worth and take advantage of it?

Knight was imperfect, but so many of his former players would disagree with you. There's been countless of stories, including from Woodson, of how much love and support Knight gave them during and post college. As Isaiah Thomas famously said “Outside of my mother, [Bobby Knight]’s had the greatest impact on my life.”

[mamasa 15,702]

3 minutes ago, Hoosier987 said:

Knight was imperfect, but so many of his former players would disagree with you. There's been countless of stories, including from Woodson, of how much love and support Knight gave them during and post college. As Isaiah Thomas famously said “Outside of my mother, [Bobby Knight]’s had the greatest impact on my life.”

That's great, but I knew Knight personally through my family. My experiences with him were less than "greatest impact"- some good, lots of cringe. Not here to debate Knight.

[schoosier 3,622]

23 minutes ago, mamasa said:

Knight was, by definition, a sociopath. He was good coach. Not a great or good man man. Today's players train harder, train more, and are more advanced than any other nation. Just because you don't let some grown man act like a jackass to you doesn't mean you're soft. Coddled? Because they know their worth and take advantage of it?

Good coach lol. 

[coonhounds 10,072]

So we're debating if a coach should be nice or mean. Respect vs fear? Talking about knight again? We need to get back to firing woodson who has zero business coaching this program. The end of last season there was like 3 people on this board who thought retaining this clown was a good idea! The administration thinks like those three people! I have zero faith anything they decide will work. Probably fire woodson at the end of the season after the program is in shambles and hire middle school bob as next coach!

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[HoosierHuddle 332]

Bosnian forward/shooter Harun Zrno is committing to IU tomorrow, it appears. I don't think this has anything to do with Woodson and this guy is committing to the location and the NIL deal available to him. Regardless of who is coaching, I love that IU is getting into the international player market. Zrno is going to be a 21-year old freshman that has played against professionals for multiple years. He will be a "freshman" but he'll be very capable of making a big impact very early in his collegiate career. There have been a whole lot of recent examples of players like this having a very good transition (look no further than Illinois this season) and Zrno will be a good piece for whoever the new coach is. OR...Zrno doesn't get to watch any college basketball in Bosnia so he has no idea what he's getting into with Mike Woodson as his coach and he'll get 4-5 shot attempts and play the nail, slot, rim "defense" in front of a booing home crowd next season. In concept though, I love the addition.

[hoosierbannerd 2,520]

1 minute ago, HoosierHuddle said:

Bosnian forward/shooter Harun Zrno is committing to IU tomorrow, it appears. I don't think this has anything to do with Woodson and this guy is committing to the location and the NIL deal available to him. Regardless of who is coaching, I love that IU is getting into the international player market. Zrno is going to be a 21-year old freshman that has played against professionals for multiple years. He will be a "freshman" but he'll be very capable of making a big impact very early in his collegiate career. There have been a whole lot of recent examples of players like this having a very good transition (look no further than Illinois this season) and Zrno will be a good piece for whoever the new coach is. OR...Zrno doesn't get to watch any college basketball in Bosnia so he has no idea what he's getting into with Mike Woodson as his coach and he'll get 4-5 shot attempts and play the nail, slot, rim "defense" in front of a booing home crowd next season. In concept though, I love the addition.

Yeah, but he isn't the prospect Ivan Renko was...

[Scotty R 2,803]

55 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

Worked for RMK; BUT today's players are not necessarily coddled and soft.

And a less disciplinarian coach than RMK can also win. Guys like Dean Smith, Wooden, Jay Wright, or for that matter, Brad Stevens and Dusty May have been invariably even-keeled and not especially harsh to players.

A coach needs to be really smart, really motivated, really competitive, and really hard-working. If that happens, the coach's team will reflect those traits. Identifying and recruiting guys that have or that can develop those traits is an important skill too.

What I am saying that the coach needs to make the players fear getting benched. If a player knows there are no consequences for playing bad then what will motivate him to work harder. Are coaches fearful of losing the players because they are to mentally fragile to handle being benched or they are afraid they will transfer.

[Scotty R 2,803]

8 minutes ago, HoosierHuddle said:

Bosnian forward/shooter Harun Zrno is committing to IU tomorrow, it appears. I don't think this has anything to do with Woodson and this guy is committing to the location and the NIL deal available to him. Regardless of who is coaching, I love that IU is getting into the international player market. Zrno is going to be a 21-year old freshman that has played against professionals for multiple years. He will be a "freshman" but he'll be very capable of making a big impact very early in his collegiate career. There have been a whole lot of recent examples of players like this having a very good transition (look no further than Illinois this season) and Zrno will be a good piece for whoever the new coach is. OR...Zrno doesn't get to watch any college basketball in Bosnia so he has no idea what he's getting into with Mike Woodson as his coach and he'll get 4-5 shot attempts and play the nail, slot, rim "defense" in front of a booing home crowd next season. In concept though, I love the addition.

I would think they would know that Woodson is on the hot seat so they must not care or they have no clue what to a going on.

[IUFAN1976 4,320]

3 minutes ago, Scotty R said:

What I am saying that the coach needs to make the players fear getting benched. If a player knows there are no consequences for playing bad then what will motivate him to work harder. Are coaches fearful of losing the players because they are to mentally fragile to handle being benched or they are afraid they will transfer.

Not trying to butt in on your conversation with Stuhoo but doesn’t this kind of go along with the Brad Steven’s Entitlement post?  This isn’t me trying to say BS should be our guy, it’s more the fact the playing time is earned, players shouldn’t feel entitled.  

[Scotty R 2,803]

54 minutes ago, mamasa said:

Knight was, by definition, a sociopath. He was good coach. Not a great or good man. Today's players train harder, train more, and are more advanced than any other generation. Just because you don't let some grown man act like a jackass to you doesn't mean you're soft. Coddled? Because they know their worth and take advantage of it?

They might train better but that doesn't make them strong on the court or make them better basketball players. Todays player thinks everything should be given to them without earning minutes. I hate what NIL is doing to college sports and it is definitely a worse product than it use to be.

[AZ Hoosier 9,228]

44 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

I'm guessing he committing to IU. His agent knows everything that is going on. No matter who the coach will be our NIL is better than those other schools

So, this is a Trent Sisley type thing - coming to play for IU more than coming to play for the Wizard of Broad Ripple...

[Hornsby 3,083]

Bosnian forward/shooter Harun Zrno is committing to IU tomorrow, it appears. I don't think this has anything to do with Woodson and this guy is committing to the location and the NIL deal available to him. Regardless of who is coaching, I love that IU is getting into the international player market. Zrno is going to be a 21-year old freshman that has played against professionals for multiple years. He will be a "freshman" but he'll be very capable of making a big impact very early in his collegiate career. There have been a whole lot of recent examples of players like this having a very good transition (look no further than Illinois this season) and Zrno will be a good piece for whoever the new coach is. OR...Zrno doesn't get to watch any college basketball in Bosnia so he has no idea what he's getting into with Mike Woodson as his coach and he'll get 4-5 shot attempts and play the nail, slot, rim "defense" in front of a booing home crowd next season. In concept though, I love the addition.

What if the new coach doesn't want him? Seems weird to commit if you have no idea who the coach will be. The king must be filling his head with I've done my job and I will be back.

 

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[Mr. Hoosier Pride 1,041]

21 minutes ago, hoosierbannerd said:

Yeah, but he isn't the prospect Ivan Renko was...

Nobody will ever size up to the likes of Ivan Renko