Fire Coach Woodson Thread

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50 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

I'm usually one of the last ones to say fire a coach because I know what it does to the families of assistants, staff, and players, everyone is affected. It has happened to my wife as a player, it happened to my FIL as an athletic trainer. It's sometimes life-changing things and it's very hard to move on. It's not as easy as just packing up and moving to another town for a new job.

That being said I could tell early on that this wasn't a job for Woody. I love the guy, he's awesome to talk to and hang out with but he is-was already semi-retired and this job needs much more than that. My son will probably play golf with Woody & Buckner as soon as the season is over. Which I love because they are helping a young black IU student feel comfortable at IU. But this job is way over his head. And the longer it goes the worse it's going to be. I also love IU and just want what's best for this school. Sorry for the ramble. 

After listening to Woody's press conference I'm sadly thinking of changing my username to Woodson tillhes80  ):

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IU men’s basketball will get players from the transfer portal only from players that other top Power 5 programs don’t make them much of a priority.  Results will continue to be in the middle of the big ten pack, maybe. Maybe not.

All morning sound bites over and over again on WIBC news Mike Woodson is not going anywhere.  He says, “I will continue to build this team and put this team in the best position possible.”  On and on he goes reflecting coaching into his 70’s and he is undecided.  I still move around, can teach the game, think well and before season started Dolson stated he was happy with how Woodson positioned program to meet fan expectations and realizes this process doesn’t happen overnight….August, 2023.

Just dump loads of money everywhere for those involved to go along with their eliteness.

Did someone or those involved at IU do some collaboration with WIBC?

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Losing Queen hurts regardless of who's on the bench next season.  From my records, we put 35 offers on the table for the '24 class and we have 1 commitment.  We had a huge number of kids take OV's but I think it's [mention=4127]Uspshoosier[/mention] who's said several times Woody is not effective in the long run recruiting game and if you really dig into it, that's a fact.  Why?  Many would answer it's because he doesn't spend enough time personally on the road and being visible to the targets and their people and I'm inclined to agree with that answer.   His name means nothing to 16-18 year old kids and sadly our IU name isn't exactly a bellwether in the hierarchy of college bball these days.
There will surely be an end of the season meeting with Dolson but it wouldn't surprise me in the least that QB won't also be there which should never happen.  Woody's too arrogant to believe his approach and style needs to change and while he might say the right things, I don't believe anything will truly change except for some lip service.  Face it boys and girls, there is little chance that we won't be stuck with this mess for another season.

Woodson is not willing to put in the work required on long recruitment. That is why he can't close in the fall imo. The hire never ever made sense you need somebody hungry and willing go to work 24/7

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And to be fair to Woodson, he has no clue about recruiting. He was recruited to play college ball over 40 years ago. The rest of his career was in the NBA where there is no recruiting, at least not as is required at the collegiate level. He kept Archie's staff, so he didn't even need to understand what a recruiter was in real terms... 
That's in no way meant to excuse his poor showing as a recruiter, but it's just another part of being a college basketball head coach that Woodson does not understand. Low energy and low effort will get you poor results. 

This is the most baffling hire we have ever made. I'd love to hear dolson's reasoning for it and I would really hope its not quinn told me I had to hire him.

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41 minutes ago, TTT said:

IU men’s basketball will get players from the transfer portal only from players that other top Power 5 programs don’t make them much of a priority.  Results will continue to be in the middle of the big ten pack, maybe. Maybe not.

I have no doubt that we have the NIL money to buy talented players to add to some quality returning players.  We will have a talented team again next year.  My questions are will we maximize the talent?  Will we run more 4 out and 5 out offense?  Will we be able to create team chemistry adding this many new players?  Can Woodson find a way to beat teams that have similar or more talent? My fear is that we'll have a talented roster that underperforms and finishes middle of the pack in the Big Ten and the powers that be will see this as improvement.  

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I have no doubt that we have the NIL money to buy talented players to add to some quality returning players.  We will have a talented team again next year.  My questions are we will maximize the talent?  Will we run more 4 out and 5 out offense?  Will we be able to create team chemistry adding this many new players?  Can Woodson find a way to beat teams that have similar or more talent? My fear is that we'll have a talented roster that underperforms and finishes middle of the pack in the Big Ten and the powers that be will see this as improvement.  

Thing is the other top programs have NIL money too and we will have to beat them out to get the actual players who can make a difference.

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You could also argue since Woodson has been at IU that our record against the Big Ten isn’t even that great. Better than Archie’s but still not good enough.
27-27

Granted in the Big Ten tourney he’s 3-2.

we lose tonight in 3 years he’ll be under .500 in Big Ten regular season play. 

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8 minutes ago, JF87 said:

I have no doubt that we have the NIL money to buy talented players to add to some quality returning players.  We will have a talented team again next year.  My questions are we will maximize the talent?  Will we run more 4 out and 5 out offense?  Will we be able to create team chemistry adding this many new players?  Can Woodson find a way to beat teams that have similar or more talent? My fear is that we'll have a talented roster that underperforms and finishes middle of the pack in the Big Ten and the powers that be will see this as improvement.  

Like passing and running plays so shooting the ball including 3 point ball be shot in confident rhythm would be a start.

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10 minutes ago, JF87 said:

I have no doubt that we have the NIL money to buy talented players to add to some quality returning players.  We will have a talented team again next year.  My questions are we will maximize the talent?  Will we run more 4 out and 5 out offense?  Will we be able to create team chemistry adding this many new players?  Can Woodson find a way to beat teams that have similar or more talent? My fear is that we'll have a talented roster that underperforms and finishes middle of the pack in the Big Ten and the powers that be will see this as improvement.  

It'll be more of the same as this year. 2/3 of the way through the season we'll be hearing the "it's a new team" excuse. 

I am starting to think that Woodson got mixed up initially when he said 4-out 1-in on offense and actually meant 4-in 1-out.

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This is the most baffling hire we have ever made. I'd love to hear dolson's reasoning for it and I would really hope its not quinn told me I had to hire him.

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From what I’ve seen and heard, that was exactly what happened. And the Cook’s $$$ was also part of the equation as I understand it.

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Thing is the other top programs have NIL money too and we will have to beat them out to get the actual players who can make a difference.

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With no recruiting strength, who will evaluate the talent?

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6 minutes ago, cbp4iu said:

You could also argue since Woodson has been at IU that our record against the Big Ten isn’t even that great. Better than Archie’s but still not good enough.
27-27

Granted in the Big Ten tourney he’s 3-2.

we lose tonight in 3 years he’ll be under .500 in Big Ten regular season play. 

IU has a whole in the last 10 years is 91-94 in the B1G  regular season.   3 coaches worth.   That’s 9th out 14.   IU basketballs problem is a heck of lot worse then just a new coach.   The program needs to figure out some things in every aspect of the program.   Even with NIL in my opinion no coach is coming in here and being the savior without some other program changes 

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5 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

IU has a whole in the last 10 years is 91-94 in the B1G  regular season.   3 coaches worth.   That’s 9th out 14.   IU basketballs problem is a heck of lot worse then just a new coach.   The program needs to figure out some things in every aspect of the program.   Even with NIL in my opinion no coach is coming in here and being the savior without some other program changes 

Exactly!  In order to get a good coach, the administration needs to change or overhauled.

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5 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

IU has a whole in the last 10 years is 91-94 in the B1G  regular season.   3 coaches worth.   That’s 9th out 14.   IU basketballs problem is a heck of lot worse then just a new coach.   The program needs to figure out some things in every aspect of the program.   Even with NIL in my opinion no coach is coming in here and being the savior without some other program changes 

Agree. You don’t get to this point over 25 years if the problems aren’t systemic.  
 

 

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Random thought: is our compliance department still acting like a bunch of hall monitors? That was always a go-to excuse during the Archie years. 

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17 minutes ago, go iu bb said:

I am starting to think that Woodson got mixed up initially when he said 4-out 1-in on offense and actually meant 4-in 1-out.

Makes sense, would explain the complete lack of outside shooters. Should be a lot better at rebounding though.

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1 minute ago, Uspshoosier said:

IU has a whole in the last 10 years is 91-94 in the B1G  regular season.   3 coaches worth.   That’s 9th out 14.   IU basketballs problem is a heck of lot worse then just a new coach.   The program needs to figure out some things in every aspect of the program.   Even with NIL in my opinion no coach is coming in here and being the savior without some other program changes 

I'll go further in doubling down on that:

• The four biggest disasters in B1G basketball are currently Michigan, OSU, IU, and Maryland.

• All four of these schools rank at or near the top of B1G incoming recruit rankings.
• Three of the four (IU, OSU, and UM) are near or at the very top of NIL funds available for basketball.

Program stability, culture, roster construction, system coherency, and player and staff buy-in are the most important factors that contribute toward sustained winning. 

“To be as good as it can be, a team has to buy into what you as the coach are doing. They have to feel you’re a part of them and they’re a part of you.”

— Bobby Knight

 

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16 minutes ago, TheWatShot said:

Random thought: is our compliance department still acting like a bunch of hall monitors? That was always a go-to excuse during the Archie years. 

Yep.

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I'll go further in doubling down on that:

• The four biggest disasters in B1G basketball are currently Michigan, OSU, IU, and Maryland.

• All four of these schools rank at or near the top of B1G incoming recruit rankings.
• Three of the four (IU, OSU, and UM) are near or at the very top of NIL funds available for basketball.

Program stability, culture, roster construction, system coherency, and player and staff buy-in are the most important factors that contribute toward sustained winning. 

“To be as good as it can be, a team has to buy into what you as the coach are doing. They have to feel you’re a part of them and they’re a part of you.”

— Bobby Knight

 

Our culture is awful. Just go hire an iu guy and all will be well some said. Lol I would argue the culture is as bad as it's ever been except with Sampson.

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38 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

IU has a whole in the last 10 years is 91-94 in the B1G  regular season.   3 coaches worth.   That’s 9th out 14.   IU basketballs problem is a heck of lot worse then just a new coach.   The program needs to figure out some things in every aspect of the program.   Even with NIL in my opinion no coach is coming in here and being the savior without some other program changes 

Wow. Thank you for doing the numbers on that. I knew we've been bad (obviously), but not that bad, and not for that long. That's very depressing. I'm still hanging on to Crean's last successful seasons in my memory.