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7 hours ago, HoosierHoopster said:

Nope you're right on shooting percentages, I re-checked and I added wrong on the PSU game. So correct, our 3-p percentage for the 1st 6 games of conf isn't what I thought it was  -- (not great, but I'm still more concerned about our having taken less shots in 21).

But while we're on the subject of digging in and admitting things, do you acknowledge that:

- in 2020 we lost by significantly more points through the first 6, each by at least 7 points (compared to 2021, by 3, 5 and 9, leaving aside the huge lead we had @Wisc). and of course we're undefeated at home - you think this team loses to NW at home?

- in 2021 we've won by significantly more points through the 1st 6 -- 36 in 2021 to 18 in 2020. Right? We barely won by 2 against PSU at home in OT, and lost to NW in 2020. That's pretty clearly different to me.

What is wrong with any of the below, and how do they not reflect a better team, so far, 6 games into conf?

Who and by what margin did we lose to through the first 6 games?

2020 Losses: 74-67 (by 7) to that powerhouse, Northwestern; At Ill (69-60); At Wisconsin 80-73.

2021: Losses: At Wisc 64-59 (and we were up big); At PSU 61-58; At Iowa 83-74.

So, we lost at home to NWU in 2020, and each of the 3 losses were by at least 7. 2021: the losses were by 3, 5 and 9.

Yeah, that's obviously better. We're undefeated at home. We've lost by less and were in every game except 2nd half Iowa. We should've won the @Wisc game, and were right in the @PSU game.

What about comparing the W's through the 1st 6 Con games?

2020 Wins: 87-85 over PSU in OT, 63-55 MD,. 84-76 At Neb.

2021 Wins: 68-55 Neb, 67-51 #13 OSU, 73-60 Minn.

So, clearly better home W's as well, through the 1st 6 games. The @Neb game should factor in here, tomorrow. I think the team will step up and get the W, we'll see.

No, I'm not "mad," but I do get kinda tired of the repeated negative posts that simply ignore the several points that reflect a stronger team. It gets old. End of the day I think we all want our team to win and win well.

I'll give it a go, first off I hate that we're even having this discussion because it means we're attempting to polish a turd to make it a little prettier, nitpicking between an absolute shitty season and one we're hoping gets better.

Losses

Both seasons we lost to Wiscy, once by 5 and once by 7. As USPS informed us yesterday, the game last season went 2OT before IU lost by 7. The game last season was against a higher ranked Wiscy team at the same location with better results (?)

Outcome - last season better loss (**** that is painful to type)

Last season @ Ill and this season @ Iowa, we lost both games by 9 and I'm saying Ill last season was better than Iowa this season, although I wouldn't be surprised if Iowa was ranked soon.

Outcome - last season better loss

Last season at home to NW vs. this season PSU on the road. Those are both bad.

Outcome - this season better loss

Wins

We'll take both of the Nebrasketball games, I'll take the roadie here

Outcome - last season better win

An OT win over PSU or a solid win over Minny?

Outcome - this season better win

A trouncing of O$U at home or a solid win over MD? I'll argue that O$U hasn't looked the same since returning from their COVID pause but that is a better win than MD last season

Outcome - this season better win

Results

Last season we had better losses 2-1 (yuck) and this season we have better wins 2-1. Are we improved? I think we've slightly improved but not sure how much we've really improved or if comparing losses and wins is the best metric to decide how much we've improved.

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2 minutes ago, HoosierAloha said:

I'll give it a go, first off I hate that we're even having this discussion because it means we're attempting to polish a turd to make it a little prettier, nitpicking between an absolute shitty season and one we're hoping gets better.

Losses

Both seasons we lost to Wiscy, once by 5 and once by 7. As USPS informed us yesterday, the game last season went 2OT before IU lost by 7. The game last season was against a higher ranked Wiscy team at the same location with better results (?)

Outcome - last season better loss (**** that is painful to type)

Last season @ Ill and this season @ Iowa, we lost both games by 9 and I'm saying Ill last season was better than Iowa this season, although I wouldn't be surprised if Iowa was ranked soon.

Outcome - last season better loss

Last season at home to NW vs. this season PSU on the road. Those are both bad.

Outcome - this season better loss

Wins

We'll take both of the Nebrasketball games, I'll take the roadie here

Outcome - last season better win

An OT win over PSU or a solid win over Minny?

Outcome - this season better win

A trouncing of O$U at home or a solid win over MD? I'll argue that O$U hasn't looked the same since returning from their COVID pause but that is a better win than MD last season

Outcome - this season better win

Results

Last season we had better losses 2-1 (yuck) and this season we have better wins 2-1. Are we improved? I think we've slightly improved but not sure how much we've really improved or if comparing losses and wins is the best metric to decide how much we've improved.

End of the day all we have is W’a and L’s, and we’ll have to see how the season goes.

I clearly see the team, season and strengths so far differently, (we’re again only talking about offense now and there’s simply no honest way to argue our D isn’t better), but yep, we’ll just have to keep waiting to see how it all pans out 

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On 1/15/2022 at 10:31 AM, IUFAN1976 said:

After reading this question, I wanted to answer it first before I read the others comments from their posts.  I for one agree with you, everything is fixable and we have been right there with a chance to win those 4 road loses.  I for one believe in CMW and staff will get this straightened out and we will see a different team by mid-February and March.  This is a new staff and they are trying to undo the embedded mind set and culture of the current players and that takes time; however, we as a fanbase have done without consistently winning for so long, we have little to no patients.  I think we are just waiting for this thing to go off the rails just like the last several seasons, each just may be the start of this trend.  The last 4-6 years and even longer has really left a bad taste in our mouths that may take years to undo, just like what CMW has to do with reshaping the program and culture.

What it comes down to is a total lack of trust that the current Administration and coaching staff will get it done. Not to mention we want to start winning now!

I do think CMW and company will get it done, we just have to trust him and show patients.

Actually, this was a very good question and I am glad someone had finally asked it!

I definitely agree with you that there is a PTSD factor from the last 5 years or so that's why I've been trying to be as open minded about this season as possible knowing it's a new staff and they're trying to build a whole new culture

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