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2022-2023 IUBB Roster Projection

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4 hours ago, IU Scott said:

No team plays 11-13 players and most only play a 7-8 man rotation.  Just look at the final four teams and I don't think any of them had 13 scholarship players.

Kansas had 14.

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2 hours ago, RaceToTheTop said:

"Wing" is such a catch all phrase that it's started to lose its meaning.  Not all wings are the same.  McNeil is a shooting guard.  And if you go with the assumption that if the coach thinks it's correct, therefore it is correct, then I assume you agree with the putting in of five bench players at once + Stewart and Kopp getting 50 minutes per game and starting all year.

Or hey the natural extension, because CAM played Smith as a “wing” therefore he was a wing! Clearly if he was a 4 CAM would’ve not put him at the 3, right?

the insistence of being right seems to be getting in the way of actual discussion. Ignoring, as has bern repeatedly stated, that we’re talking about playing him on the wing with a developed handle, as necessary for the wing, as in no one said he already has that, with developed experience at the position becsuse he clearly has the physical tools and defensive tenacity and demonstrated exceptional D at the 4 spot already including defending - blocking 3’s, and obviously unlike Smith in any way has a good looking outside shot and has knocked down big 3’s in several games (are we really comparing JG to Smith? Really?) is just to say but look he hasn’t played the 3 yet therefore he can’t? Ok.

 A pessimist finds difficulty in every opportunity. An optimist finds opportunity in every difficulty. :)

I see plenty of reason to develop JG — to improve his handle - to give him and the team more versatility. If he can’t he can’t, but no, we don’t know that.

shouldn’t have ever let Vic shoot 3’s after his first 2 seasons bc you know he couldn’t shoot. Oh yeah, 40-plus shooter as a junior. Same conversation then - I remember it well, he’s not and won’t be an outside shooter. Ok. 

 

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4 hours ago, MikeRoberts said:

No… our front court played the entire 40 minutes and was gassed despite their being a scholarship player on the bench available.

the guards got a breather, from a walk on…


Not sure why that is hard to comprehend - our front court NEVER played the entire game before or after that, they usually get a breather and could have that game but coach opted to run them into the ground vs put Logan Duncomb in even for 1 play

JG didn't play? LD would have played ahead of JG? 

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7 hours ago, mbredenk101 said:

I don't know.....the college game has changed. Get as much talent as possible with all 13. We saw what it looked like when we were 5 players down at NW. If practices are packed with talent, it just makes everyone better. However, someone has to be the worst out of 13. Maybe LD is the better example of this than Leal. LD didn't even play in that game at NW.

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You can’t have a team full of 13 guys who should be rotation guys. You will end up with awful team chemistry. We need guys on the bench who are willing and enthusiastic about accepting their roles. Dysfunction awaits otherwise. 

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4 hours ago, MikeRoberts said:

No… our front court played the entire 40 minutes and was gassed despite their being a scholarship player on the bench available.

the guards got a breather, from a walk on…


Not sure why that is hard to comprehend - our front court NEVER played the entire game before or after that, they usually get a breather and could have that game but coach opted to run them into the ground vs put Logan Duncomb in even for 1 play

TJD and Race didn't play 40 minutes that night.  Trayce played 39 minutes, Race played 36.  JG played 17.  JG likely would have played more but picked up 4 fouls.

FWIW, There was 14 minutes that night that Trayce, Race, and JG were all on the floor.  Small sample space, but IU was +13.9 points per 100 possessions when JG was at the 3 and Northwestern had an effective field goal percentage of 21%.

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12 minutes ago, RaceToTheTop said:

TJD and Race didn't play 40 minutes that night.  Trayce played 39 minutes, Race played 36.  JG played 17.  JG likely would have played more but picked up 4 fouls.

FWIW, There was 14 minutes that night that Trayce, Race, and JG were all on the floor.  Small sample space, but IU was +13.9 points per 100 possessions when JG was at the 3 and Northwestern had an effective field goal percentage of 21%.

But it’s bern stated in this thread that JG never plated a minute at the 3….

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14 minutes ago, RaceToTheTop said:

TJD and Race didn't play 40 minutes that night.  Trayce played 39 minutes, Race played 36.  JG played 17.  JG likely would have played more but picked up 4 fouls.

FWIW, There was 14 minutes that night that Trayce, Race, and JG were all on the floor.  Small sample space, but IU was +13.9 points per 100 possessions when JG was at the 3 and Northwestern had an effective field goal percentage of 21%.

That is correct. While I was wrong on Race and Trayce playing 40 minutes, it was pretty close, 5 minutes on the bench total between the two of them and then that means the front court got a total of 5 minutes rest and the back court got 17. 
none of those minutes went to logan Duncomb who was available to play. 17 to Geronimo who played more in the front court and a walk on who also played in the front court.

JG performing well at the 3 is another story, but LG getting zero run at the 4 or 5 when we were severely outnumbered is baffling 

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Not sure anyone claimed that Geronimo never played a minute at the 3. I believe the thrust of what many have said is that Geronimo is most effective at the 4. His rebounding abilities and knack on the offensive end for putting back missed shots make him especially valuable playing the 4. He also lacks the ball handling and shooting skills to be as effective at the 3 as at the 4. 

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7 hours ago, MikeRoberts said:

That is correct. While I was wrong on Race and Trayce playing 40 minutes, it was pretty close, 5 minutes on the bench total between the two of them and then that means the front court got a total of 5 minutes rest and the back court got 17. 
none of those minutes went to logan Duncomb who was available to play. 17 to Geronimo who played more in the front court and a walk on who also played in the front court.

JG performing well at the 3 is another story, but LG getting zero run at the 4 or 5 when we were severely outnumbered is baffling 

Its not really. He wasn't needed. We had plenty of front court depth that night. 

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1 hour ago, btownqb said:

Against a bottom dweller B1G team

that had no advance notice about half the team being out and no chance to develop a game plan to attack/defend JG at the 3

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