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Game Thread: vs. Ohio State - 7:30pm - ABC

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11 minutes ago, IU Scott said:

Also with the NIL can't he make money of his post

He has 551 Twitter followers. Not really a big audience for advertisers.

We’re talking about ‘National Tight End Day,’ not Christmas. Sorry, but posting a highlight video of yourself from a game your team got destroyed in, less than 24 hours after said game, is corny. Would anyone want TJD to post a video of his cool dunk right after a 40 point thrashing from Purdue? 

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23 minutes ago, Leo said:

A highlight video posted on National Tight End Day and the day after he breaks the school record for career receptions as a tight end? Think there are bigger things we could be complaining about.

Yes we should be complaining about Tom Allen getting a 30 million buyout after one 6-3 season. Still can’t believe we didn’t learn our lesson from basketball.

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Yes we should be complaining about Tom Allen getting a 30 million buyout after one 6-3 season. Still can’t believe we didn’t learn our lesson from basketball.

Nope, shouldn’t be complaining about this either.

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9 minutes ago, Leo said:


Nope, shouldn’t be complaining about this either.

We gave him the 4th biggest buyout in all of college football for going 6-2 and losing to a middle of the pack SEC team in the bowl game. We gave the guy who has won 39% of his conference games a bigger buyout than the guy at Ohio State who has won 100% of his conference games.

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27 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

^^This^^!!

The program should not stop showing appreciation for our most successful players ever. Even when the fanbase is disappointed.

 

That looks to be his personal account. If the program posted that to celebrate him, fine, but him posting it himself the day after an embarrassing beatdown….not a good look in my opinion.

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54 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

Yes we should be complaining about Tom Allen getting a 30 million buyout after one 6-3 season. Still can’t believe we didn’t learn our lesson from basketball.

What would you, or anyone, be saying if instead of getting that buyout, he bolted to FSU or Arkansas or Ole Miss in the last couple years? It’s easy to be mad at the buyout after getting smacked by Ohio State, but who was complaining after it was announced? I sure didn’t see anyone. 

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8 minutes ago, Hovadipo said:

What would you, or anyone, be saying if instead of getting that buyout, he bolted to FSU or Arkansas or Ole Miss in the last couple years? It’s easy to be mad at the buyout after getting smacked by Ohio State, but who was complaining after it was announced? I sure didn’t see anyone. 

If Allen would bolt to another program like that then it really cuts against the big pro-Allen argument, i.e., that he wants to build something here and wouldn’t use us as a stepping stone. I don’t really pay attention to college football buyouts, especially not enough to know what a big buyout for a college football coach. But then I saw that graphic on social media. One of the coaches on that list is unlike the others. 

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8 hours ago, Chris007 said:

How do we know he’s not Tom Crean 2.0? Raw ra LEO only takes you so far.

Yeah but players/recruits and high school coaches like him a whole lot better than Crean. He’s got one of if not the best class in IU football history committed. Now he’s got to make staff changes to right the ship this off-season. 

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12 hours ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

We gave him the 4th biggest buyout in all of college football for going 6-2 and losing to a middle of the pack SEC team in the bowl game. We gave the guy who has won 39% of his conference games a bigger buyout than the guy at Ohio State who has won 100% of his conference games.

He went 8-4 the season before.  Again this is IU football and the expectations are different than other places.  We have the worse recorded of all power 5 conference teams so when we get a coach who actually win some games you keep them.

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12 hours ago, Chris007 said:

How do we know he’s not Tom Crean 2.0? Raw ra LEO only takes you so far.

If Allen wins two conference championships and go to 3 New years day bowls in 3 of 5 seasons I would be thrilled.

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Does anyone know of any contact information or an email address where I can communicate with someone from the athletic department or football administration where we can explain concerns about spectator experience inside Memorial Stadium?

I witnessed/experienced some very inappropriate and dangerous behavior from A LOT of spectators (many of which were our guests to the East but some Hoosiers as well) that made me consider my personal safety and whether or not I want to attend many more games in the future.

Did anyone else experience something similar? I have attended nearly 100 IU football games over the years and Saturday night was BY FAR the worst experience I ever had and it had nothing to do with the weather or poor play. I understand alcohol is now permitted inside the stadium but the amount of drunken, obscene and profanity-laced behavior exhibited by so many resembled something more like a middle-aged frat party instead of a sporting event. I'm all for playful banter between fans of opposing schools, but I would have been absolutely embarrassed to bring a child to that game and sit in my designated seat. My elderly father and I were recipients of unprovoked obscenities and had several intoxicated individuals almost fall on us on multiple occasions. We didn't notify the stadium attendants because there were so many people we wouldn't even know where to begin.So we just left before halftime.

I'm hoping this was simply an aberration, but if this is going to be permitted in the future then I'll stay at home. If an IU Football game is more for folks aged 21 and over... please don't advertise it as a family event.

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29 minutes ago, GnarlyTimGarl said:

Does anyone know of any contact information or an email address where I can communicate with someone from the athletic department or football administration where we can explain concerns about spectator experience inside Memorial Stadium?

I witnessed/experienced some very inappropriate and dangerous behavior from A LOT of spectators (many of which were our guests to the East but some Hoosiers as well) that made me consider my personal safety and whether or not I want to attend many more games in the future.

Did anyone else experience something similar? I have attended nearly 100 IU football games over the years and Saturday night was BY FAR the worst experience I ever had and it had nothing to do with the weather or poor play. I understand alcohol is now permitted inside the stadium but the amount of drunken, obscene and profanity-laced behavior exhibited by so many resembled something more like a middle-aged frat party instead of a sporting event. I'm all for playful banter between fans of opposing schools, but I would have been absolutely embarrassed to bring a child to that game and sit in my designated seat. My elderly father and I were recipients of unprovoked obscenities and had several intoxicated individuals almost fall on us on multiple occasions. We didn't notify the stadium attendants because there were so many people we wouldn't even know where to begin.So we just left before halftime.

I'm hoping this was simply an aberration, but if this is going to be permitted in the future then I'll stay at home. If an IU Football game is more for folks aged 21 and over... please don't advertise it as a family event.

eebean@indiana.edu
 

Earlston Bean. Director of Event Safety or something like that and legitimately a good guy. Would be really surprised if you didn’t hear back. 

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31 minutes ago, GnarlyTimGarl said:

Does anyone know of any contact information or an email address where I can communicate with someone from the athletic department or football administration where we can explain concerns about spectator experience inside Memorial Stadium?

I witnessed/experienced some very inappropriate and dangerous behavior from A LOT of spectators (many of which were our guests to the East but some Hoosiers as well) that made me consider my personal safety and whether or not I want to attend many more games in the future.

Did anyone else experience something similar? I have attended nearly 100 IU football games over the years and Saturday night was BY FAR the worst experience I ever had and it had nothing to do with the weather or poor play. I understand alcohol is now permitted inside the stadium but the amount of drunken, obscene and profanity-laced behavior exhibited by so many resembled something more like a middle-aged frat party instead of a sporting event. I'm all for playful banter between fans of opposing schools, but I would have been absolutely embarrassed to bring a child to that game and sit in my designated seat. My elderly father and I were recipients of unprovoked obscenities and had several intoxicated individuals almost fall on us on multiple occasions. We didn't notify the stadium attendants because there were so many people we wouldn't even know where to begin.So we just left before halftime.

I'm hoping this was simply an aberration, but if this is going to be permitted in the future then I'll stay at home. If an IU Football game is more for folks aged 21 and over... please don't advertise it as a family event.

There are certain events you don’t take kids to.  Cubs vs Sox.  Cubs vs cardinals, bears vs packers and so on. Sounds like IU v Ohio state at night after a day of drinking g is one of them.  

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3 hours ago, IU Scott said:

He went 8-4 the season before.  Again this is IU football and the expectations are different than other places.  We have the worse recorded of all power 5 conference teams so when we get a coach who actually win some games you keep them.

He went 8-5 the year before and the best team we beat was a 5-7 Nebraska team. We didn’t beat a team with a winning record that year. Definitely can’t complain about 8-5, but that season we got lucky with our schedule. Last year, we beat Michigan, Penn State, Michigan State, and Wisconsin all in the same year. Idk if we had ever done that before. I thought we turned a huge corner as a program. But, a year later and those schools are all better than us against 

The argument that IU is a sucky football program so we shouldn’t expect much doesn’t hold much weight for me. I’m not ok with continuing to stink just because we have in the past. It’s entirely possibly to become a good football school if you hire the right coach. Look at Northwestern. They’ve been playing football since 1882. Between 1882 and 1995, they made one bowl game. Between 1995 and 2021, they’ve played in 15 bowl games. Northwestern set a D1 record for 32 straight losses in the late 70s. Before Fitzgerald took over, their program had won 42.4% of their games in program history. IU has won 42.3% of theirs. 

In Pat Fitzgerald’s 15 seasons, they’ve played in 10 bowl games. They’ve won 5 of them. They’ve had three 10 win seasons, and they’ve won their division twice. He’s won 56% of his games there and he has a winning record in the Big 10. Is Tom Allen our Pat Fitzgerald? Sure, maybe. It looked like he was last year, but this year not so much. Maybe he’ll turn things around soon. I just do not like the idea that we shouldn’t expect more because ‘it’s IU football.’ There’s no reason we can’t make a bowl more often than not. Northwestern has much higher admission standards than IU and they’re making it happen. Why can’t we?

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1 hour ago, GnarlyTimGarl said:

Does anyone know of any contact information or an email address where I can communicate with someone from the athletic department or football administration where we can explain concerns about spectator experience inside Memorial Stadium?

I witnessed/experienced some very inappropriate and dangerous behavior from A LOT of spectators (many of which were our guests to the East but some Hoosiers as well) that made me consider my personal safety and whether or not I want to attend many more games in the future.

Did anyone else experience something similar? I have attended nearly 100 IU football games over the years and Saturday night was BY FAR the worst experience I ever had and it had nothing to do with the weather or poor play. I understand alcohol is now permitted inside the stadium but the amount of drunken, obscene and profanity-laced behavior exhibited by so many resembled something more like a middle-aged frat party instead of a sporting event. I'm all for playful banter between fans of opposing schools, but I would have been absolutely embarrassed to bring a child to that game and sit in my designated seat. My elderly father and I were recipients of unprovoked obscenities and had several intoxicated individuals almost fall on us on multiple occasions. We didn't notify the stadium attendants because there were so many people we wouldn't even know where to begin.So we just left before halftime.

I'm hoping this was simply an aberration, but if this is going to be permitted in the future then I'll stay at home. If an IU Football game is more for folks aged 21 and over... please don't advertise it as a family event.

I was in attendance at last Saturday’s game and was asked to complete an online survey about my fan experience and what would impact my future attendance.  In my opinion, the survey didn’t address this problem. I didn’t experience any inappropriate or obnoxious behavior from Ohio State fans. I was very disappointed in a Hoosier fan screaming at OSU fans climbing the stairs to their seats. I would have liked to seen stadium security moving up and down the stairs. They could have helped the lady that fell on the seated fans. It was a very uncomfortable experience and not just because of the rain.

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18 hours ago, Hovadipo said:

What would you, or anyone, be saying if instead of getting that buyout, he bolted to FSU or Arkansas or Ole Miss in the last couple years? It’s easy to be mad at the buyout after getting smacked by Ohio State, but who was complaining after it was announced? I sure didn’t see anyone. 

Fair point that nobody was complaining then.  But no way Allen was going to be hired by any of those schools. Ok maybe Ole Miss but he would be run off from any top program in 2 years. The buyout is ridiculous for what Allen is and what he has accomplished.

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2 hours ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

He went 8-5 the year before and the best team we beat was a 5-7 Nebraska team. We didn’t beat a team with a winning record that year. Definitely can’t complain about 8-5, but that season we got lucky with our schedule. Last year, we beat Michigan, Penn State, Michigan State, and Wisconsin all in the same year. Idk if we had ever done that before. I thought we turned a huge corner as a program. But, a year later and those schools are all better than us against 

The argument that IU is a sucky football program so we shouldn’t expect much doesn’t hold much weight for me. I’m not ok with continuing to stink just because we have in the past. It’s entirely possibly to become a good football school if you hire the right coach. Look at Northwestern. They’ve been playing football since 1882. Between 1882 and 1995, they made one bowl game. Between 1995 and 2021, they’ve played in 15 bowl games. Northwestern set a D1 record for 32 straight losses in the late 70s. Before Fitzgerald took over, their program had won 42.4% of their games in program history. IU has won 42.3% of theirs. 

In Pat Fitzgerald’s 15 seasons, they’ve played in 10 bowl games. They’ve won 5 of them. They’ve had three 10 win seasons, and they’ve won their division twice. He’s won 56% of his games there and he has a winning record in the Big 10. Is Tom Allen our Pat Fitzgerald? Sure, maybe. It looked like he was last year, but this year not so much. Maybe he’ll turn things around soon. I just do not like the idea that we shouldn’t expect more because ‘it’s IU football.’ There’s no reason we can’t make a bowl more often than not. Northwestern has much higher admission standards than IU and they’re making it happen. Why can’t we?

nothing against Fitz, but it was Gary Barnett who turned the Northwestern program around, When Barnett was hired NW had had something like 19 straight losing seasons and Barnett got them to the Rose Bowl in 4 years and the Citrus Bowl a year later, winning one B1G 10 championship and tying for another one along the way.

Fitzgerald has done an excellent job of restoring the program back to the level where Barnett had gotten it, and he has also done (for the most part) a very good job of sustaining it. It doesn't hurt that such a wealthy university finally acknowledged Barnett's and Fitzgerald's efforts by spending to renovate and add to the football facilities.

It also didn't hurt that, as an original condition of Barnett accepting the job, NW lowered its admissions standards for athletes, which allowed Barnett to recruit "program-changers" like Darnell Autry.

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Definitely can’t complain about 8-5, but…

We’re not having the season many expected after a breakthrough one a year ago. We benefited from an odd season without butts in the seats and typically solid to great programs being down. If we’re going to have coach Allen as the HC we need more capable coordinators. It’s that simple.


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3 minutes ago, Alford Bailey said:

Fair point that nobody was complaining then.  But no way Allen was going to be hired by any of those schools. Ok maybe Ole Miss but he would be run off from any top program in 2 years. The buyout is ridiculous for what Allen is and what he has accomplished.

I’ll never fault anyone for having an agent that realizes someone is another good season away from getting PAID and using that as leverage, because that’s the exact situation Allen was in after last season. Regardless of how you feel about him as a coach, the CFB carousel is a momentum game and he had a ton of it. I’m not sure what the department was supposed to do, because I’m almost certain schools started sniffing around. 
 

I’ll also say that this is college athletics and if they proved anything during COVID, it’s that money is nothing more than a number. If someone wants to hire him away, they’ll find 30 and if Dolson wants to fire him, he’ll find it too. It’s not my money so I couldn’t care less about the size of a buyout. 

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