Game Thread: Illinois @ Indiana Tues., Feb. 2, 9 pm ESPN/2

[Brass Cannon 24,064]

Just now, brumdog45 said:

 

Fact is Steve Alford was let go at Iowa and fired at UCLA.  If you are firing Miller to hire Alford, all you are doing is rearranging furniture.  And four years later, we are having this conversation again.

Not sure why you quoted me. If we hire Alford I’m a Virginia fan ASAP 

[Loaded Chicken Sandwich 8,194]

2 minutes ago, brumdog45 said:

 

Fact is Steve Alford was let go at Iowa and fired at UCLA.  If you are firing Miller to hire Alford, all you are doing is rearranging furniture.  And four years later, we are having this conversation again.

Alford still made 3 S16s at UCLA. Indiana has made 4 in the last 25 years. 

[kreigh8 2,008]

5 minutes ago, Treesh said:

That’s a good guess. I’ll investigate tomorrow at work and see if I can come up with an answer! 

I confirmed - Rivers had 0-1-1 game at home against Purdue his senior year and a 0-1-3 game against Savannah State but no 0-0-0.  He was also 6-5" so had a bit of an easier time at least grabbing a rebound. He only started 19 games his senior year and looking at his junior year game log - he was far better that season. Would be a depressing rabbit hole to track down an answer that's for sure. Best of luck

[LamarCheeks 16,828]

I hate to throw out a tired, old cliche -- but that's not gonna stop me: Archie has lost this team (if he ever even had it). 

I saw a handful of times tonight when he pulled players, he was chewing them out -- and they were giving it right back. Even Leal. 

That's not good. 

[Brass Cannon 24,064]

5 minutes ago, Loaded Chicken Sandwich said:

What has Archie been watching? Baylor games?

This is basically a nascar driver wanting to avoid traffic by turning right. God I’m shocked at how dumb Archie is 

[Brass Cannon 24,064]

Just now, LamarCheeks said:

I hate to throw out a tired, old cliche -- but that's not gonna stop me: Archie has lost this team (if he ever even had it). 

I saw a handful of times tonight when he pulled players, he was chewing them out -- and they were giving it right back. Even Leal. 

That's not good. 

They did what he said for 3 years and it didn’t work. They have no faith 

[rcbowla 6,734]

I'm going to go listen to Assembly Call make me feel better. 75% of them have seen through the BS now at least. Took them awhile but they got there.

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[Magnanimous 4,399]

IU basketball has devolved into the mild annoyance you occasionally check in on to see how things have been going recently, like watching the news. 

[kreigh8 2,008]

4 minutes ago, Loaded Chicken Sandwich said:

Not even Jeremiah Rivers could pull that off. 

You are correct. At 6'5" he was pretty active on the glass and his steal lines pop off the screen compared to what we watch on a nightly basis this season. Just quite disappointing watching Phin's lack of progression this season. I've heard a lot about how much he improved over the month of January and December, but part of me is wondering if he'd simply set the bar so low that expectations of him have been lowered significantly.

[LamarCheeks 16,828]

5 minutes ago, Loaded Chicken Sandwich said:

Alford still made 3 S16s at UCLA. Indiana has made 4 in the last 25 years. 

Alford defended a rapist. And that rapist then attacked another woman. Indiana's basketball program hasn't had that happen at all in the past 25 years. 

[WayneFleekHoosier 46,746]

I hate to throw out a tired, old cliche -- but that's not gonna stop me: Archie has lost this team (if he ever even had it). 
I saw a handful of times tonight when he pulled players, he was chewing them out -- and they were giving it right back. Even Leal. 
That's not good. 

Never had them. The kids want to win and want winnable instruction. Archie hasn’t proven himself to these kids. Plus they don’t like him. Not a winning formula.


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[Loaded Chicken Sandwich 8,194]

1 minute ago, LamarCheeks said:

Alford defended a rapist. And that rapist then attacked another woman. Indiana's basketball program hasn't had that happen in the past 25 years. 

And Alford has said he was wrong for doing so. Everyone but some IU fans have moved on from that. Fact is, he's won as much as Indiana has. Is he a good candidate? No. Is he better than we have? Without a doubt in the world. 

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11 minutes ago, brumdog45 said:

 

Fact is Steve Alford was let go at Iowa and fired at UCLA.  If you are firing Miller to hire Alford, all you are doing is rearranging furniture.  And four years later, we are having this conversation again.

That's underselling just how bad it would be. We wouldn't just be having this conversation again in four years - we'd be having this conversation with an even more decimated fan base. I shouldn't even say "we," because I wouldn't have any part of it. If IU hires Alford, I am done, and I mean DONE, until both he and Dolson are gone. And I know I'm not alone.

[LamarCheeks 16,828]

Just now, Loaded Chicken Sandwich said:

And Alford has said he was wrong for doing so. Everyone but some IU fans have moved on from that. Fact is, he's won as much as Indiana has. Is he a good candidate? No. Is he better than we have? Without a doubt in the world. 

He said he was wrong only after he said he was right about a dozen times -- and only when the UCLA fan base and media pushed him on it. And it was a half-hearted apology at that. And you're wrong -- not everyone but IU fans have moved on from it. Do you think the first lady Pierre Pierce attacked has moved on? Do you think she's OK with the fact that Alford called her to meet with him, then tried to get her to keep quiet. Or do you think the second woman Pierce attacked has moved on? 

Your defense of what Alford did is absolutely disgusting. 

[Jeff_Boy_Ardee 1,311]

BuT wE hAvE zErO bAd LoSsEs!

At least we were on ESPN, the recruits should come flocking now


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[Loaded Chicken Sandwich 8,194]

Just now, LamarCheeks said:

He said he was wrong only after he said he was right about a dozen times -- and only when the UCLA fan base and media pushed him on it. And it was a half-hearted apology at that. And you're wrong -- not everyone but IU fans have moved on from it. Do you think the first lady Pierre Pierce attacked has moved on? Do you think she's OK with the fact that Alford called her to meet with him, then tried to get her to keep quiet. Or do you think the second woman Pierce attacked has moved on? 

Your defense of what Alford did is absolutely disgusting. 

Do I believe they have moved on from Alford? Probably. It's been 20 years. Alford has said he was wrong for defending him before all facts came out. I'm sure there is much more to what happened than we will ever know and I bet New Mexico, UCLA and Nevada know more than we will ever know. 

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1 minute ago, Loaded Chicken Sandwich said:

Do I believe they have moved on from Alford? Probably. It's been 20 years.

This is a disgusting reply. You clearly know nothing about abuse victims. I’ve worked with them, and it never goes away. So congrats for making yourself look like an idiot.

[LamarCheeks 16,828]

Just now, Loaded Chicken Sandwich said:

Do I believe they have moved on from Alford? Probably. It's been 20 years. Alford has said he was wrong for defending him before all facts came out. I'm sure there is much more to what happened than we will ever know and I bet New Mexico, UCLA and Nevada know more than we will ever know. 

You are absolutely disgusting for suggesting that a sexual-assault victim has just "moved on" because 20 years have passed.

[Loaded Chicken Sandwich 8,194]

Just now, LamarCheeks said:

You are absolutely disgusting for suggesting that a sexual-assault victim has just "moved on" because 20 years have passed.

You act like Alford sexually assaulted her. He didn't. He defended the guy before all of the facts came out. He's said he was wrong for doing so. I'm saying the girl has likely moved on from Alford defending the guy. Not from being sexually assaulted. I'm not defending Alford defending the guy. I am saying that people deserve a second chance and he's clearly passed that chance for years.

[Loaded Chicken Sandwich 8,194]

7 minutes ago, Jeff_Boy_Ardee said:

At least we were on ESPN, the recruits should come flocking now


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Flocking right to Illinois, Michigan, Michigan State and Ohio State. And Purdont.