(2019) CG Harlond Beverly to Miami

[ap2345 7,845]

Sorry I think it’s less of a system issue and more of a lack of being college ready, a basketball IQ, effort, and heart issue.


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[Brass Cannon 24,801]

Just now, ap2345 said:

Sorry I think it’s less of a system issue and more of a basketball IQ, effort, and heart issue.


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Archie himself said it took 3 years before his first game 

[Stuhoo 80,748]

10 minutes ago, lillurk said:

I assume you’ve omitted Damezi because he’s more of a wing/forward than a guard and not for the same reason you omitted someone else?

 

Yes; I was defining "guard" as a player who will be expected to play with the ball in his hands, and that does not appear to be what Damezi will be.

 

[ap2345 7,845]

19 minutes ago, Brass Cannon said:

Archie himself said it took 3 years before his first game 

I don't buy it. That is impossible to have that type of system in this day and age in college basketball. My guess is that is how long he thinks it would take to implement to see on court success but that's my guess. 

[Alford Bailey 12,379]

23 minutes ago, ap2345 said:

Sorry I think it’s less of a system issue and more of a basketball IQ, effort, and heart issue.


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Id add talent to that as well.

[Brass Cannon 24,801]

18 minutes ago, ap2345 said:

I don't buy it. That is impossible to have that type of system in this day and age in college basketball. My guess is that is how long he thinks it would take to implement to see on court success but that's my guess. 

You know Archie’s system better than him. Hmm why doesn’t he have you on staff?  

[lillurk 3,738]

2 minutes ago, Brass Cannon said:

You know Archie’s system better than him. Hmm why doesn’t he have you on staff?  

I’d appreciate a citation where he said the system took three years to learn. Even if he said as much, the idea that the pack line — which is a relatively straightforward variant of man-to-man — takes three years to learn should seem suspicious to anyone who’s ever played basketball.

Now, if he said or meant it might take three years for the whole basketball program change to pay dividends, that seems believable.

[Brass Cannon 24,801]

7 minutes ago, lillurk said:

I’d appreciate a citation where he said the system took three years to learn. Even if he said as much, the idea that the pack line — which is a relatively straightforward variant of man-to-man — takes three years to learn should seem suspicious to anyone who’s ever played basketball.

Now, if he said or meant it might take three years for the whole basketball program change to pay dividends, that seems believable.

You talk as if all pack lines are the same. They aren’t. And besides it’s the offensive system I think he was referring to taking 3 years. And I think it was in his introductory press conference. 

[Hurryin' Hoosiers 1,987]

I think he said something to that effect when he was first hired.  Although probably meant because no one on the team had learned it yet.  Probably easier when you only have to teach freshman than when you have to try to teach the entire team at the same time.

[lillurk 3,738]

2 minutes ago, Brass Cannon said:

You talk as if all pack lines are the same. They aren’t. And besides it’s the offensive system I think he was referring to taking 3 years. And I think it was in his introductory press conference. 

I do vaguely recall something around that time — if not in the press conference then in an interview. I’m not trying to pester you, Brass, I see that repeated all over the place.

Three years to ramp up to peak effectiveness as a team on defense is fair, and overall the defense isn’t the current problem, it’s 32nd in KenPom (though it has been picked apart in conference pla, which is worrying). That’s not where we all hope it will be, but it’s good. I think that’s what @ap2345 meant.

By year three you have most of your own personnel, you have players with experience across the roster running it even if they’re not your personnel (think Smith and Durham), you sprinkle in some younger guys who have the ability to fit in, etc.

This video covers a huge part of the scheme. If the most notable signature item is to prevent dribble penetration, I would say the way they guard screens and opt not to switch seems a close second.

 

[Uspshoosier 45,679]

Back to Beverly and less about the pack line please


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[mdn82 25,510]

How is offering a top-60 guy a sign of desperation? 

Won’t affect it. Scholarships are renewed on an annual basis in May. As long as the player finishes out the Spring semester they are fine.


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[mdn82 25,510]

And I realized I quoted the wrong person asking about scholarships... sorry about that!


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[Bowhunter 2,693]

I could see Damezie moving on. I don’t necessarily want that. I’m sure he thought he was going to be a bigger part of the equation early. He just looks frustrated.


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[TXHoosierDaddy 1,375]

8 minutes ago, Bowhunter said:

I could see Damezie moving on. I don’t necessarily want that. I’m sure he thought he was going to be a bigger part of the equation early. He just looks frustrated.


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I'm really surprised he hasn't been able to help at all. I thought even if his defense wasn't there he could give us some shooting on offense. Unfortunately, he just looks all out of place every time he gets into the game. Maybe things slow down for him in year two. 

With Beverly, I'm just happy we are recruiting someone else outside of Brooks. Getting both would be amazing. However, If Brooks were to fall through, I hardly see any other options out there unless we were to go JUCO/grad transfer route. It's kind of scary. 

[Bailey7878 2,506]

I could see Damezie moving on. I don’t necessarily want that. I’m sure he thought he was going to be a bigger part of the equation early. He just looks frustrated.


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I agree. He just looks lost on the court.

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[Brass Cannon 24,801]

1 minute ago, Bailey7878 said:

I agree. He just looks lost on the court.

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Which is to be expected for a freshmen

[Bailey7878 2,506]

I'm really surprised he hasn't been able to help at all. I thought even if his defense wasn't there he could give us some shooting on offense. Unfortunately, he just looks all out of place every time he gets into the game. Maybe things slow down for him in year two. 
With Beverly, I'm just happy we are recruiting someone else outside of Brooks. Getting both would be amazing. However, If Brooks were to fall through, I hardly see any other options out there unless we were to go JUCO/grad transfer route. It's kind of scary. 

The thinf is everyone wants tgis massive roster turnover but we only have two recruits right now. And who knows if davis is coming back or if hunter will be healthy.

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[Bailey7878 2,506]

Which is to be expected for a freshmen

Huh? Plenty of freshmen dont look lost. Tell that to Duke.

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[Brass Cannon 24,801]

9 minutes ago, Bailey7878 said:

Huh? Plenty of freshmen dont look lost. Tell that to Duke.

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Lol obviously there are exceptions