Corruption in College Basketball

[WayneFleekHoosier 48,067]

Watching the LeBron HBO special called “Student Athlete”. Focuses on Nick Richard and other athletes.

Not great but not bad so far. They have a shoe agent representative explaining how and why they fund AAU programs and more or less how crooked it becomes from there.


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[AKHoosier 6,759]

5 hours ago, MoyeNeeded said:

So, LaLu paid Bowen's family 2grand a month for Brian's services. And why is Keion going there?

$2,000/mo. for the Bowens?

How poor are they.

[Bailey7878 2,506]

Where do you read this

Brian Bowen Sr on the stand and WOW! Check out the allegations from this one.

Including pay to play AAU Ball. Some amazingly juicy stuff.


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[Bailey7878 2,506]

I just read Arizona offered Bowen 50k. Obviously Arizona is not too worried. Must know ncaa won't do a darn thing to them. It's business as usual folks. A few assistants get fired but the big name coaches will all skate.

To the surprise of some, the 49-year-old coach has the Wildcats once again near the top of the recruiting rankings. On Thursday, five-star small forward Josh Green verbally pledged to Miller's program. He became the second five-star player, and projected one-and-done prospect, to commit to UA in a three-week span. Nico 

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[Bailey7878 2,506]

Mark Emmert's absence from hoops trial shows how much he cares about corruption in the spor



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[mdn82 25,510]

Mark Emmert's absence from hoops trial shows how much he cares about corruption in the spor



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Why would he personally go there? Do you see any other commissioners at any trials that could involve repercussions? That’s what they have paid counsels for. Plus they will just go through the court documents. Reporters and victims go to those things. Mark Emmert is inept but not due to this.


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[Stuhoo 79,864]

23 minutes ago, mdn82 said:

Why would he personally go there? Do you see any other commissioners at any trials that could involve repercussions? That’s what they have paid counsels for. Plus they will just go through the court documents. Reporters and victims go to those things. Mark Emmert is inept but not due to this.


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mdn with another dose of reality for y'all.

There is NO WAY IN ANY RATIONAL UNIVERSE that the Commissioner of the NCAA would sit in a federal courtroom and face random reporters in the hallway during a criminal trial which exposes corruption in his sport. The prosecution team and the judge sure as heck don't want him there, if nothing else to insure that there is no distraction or incident that could create grounds for a mistrial or appeal.

I strongly assume that the NCAA is monitoring the trial, and likely has requested (the publicly available) trial transcripts.

 

[Brass Cannon 24,301]

Also why would he go. We all know these were the worst kept secrets much of the time.   He wouldnt hear anything shocking or new. 

[woodenshoemanHoosierfan 6,198]

I tend to agree with this

Check out @dandakich’s Tweet:

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[JustWinWoody 3,385]

12 minutes ago, woodenshoemanHoosierfan said:

I tend to agree with this

Check out @dandakich’s Tweet:

 

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I agree and don't think anyone really was concerned with Crean off the court in these types of situations.  Just didn't get it done on the court ... or not as consistent as we would have liked.   

[Stuhoo 79,864]

1 hour ago, woodenshoemanHoosierfan said:

I tend to agree with this

Check out @dandakich’s Tweet:

 

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None (or very few) IU fans ever had a problem with Tom Crean the man, or the integrity of the program on his watch (though Noah, Troy, and TB still scare me jes' a little bit).

FWIW, I'm also not a fan of folks who spray around requests for apologies or congratulations for things that were largely always a given:  "You have me on video throwing babies and kissing snowballs? As I tried to tell you all, candy is sweet and grass is green and they’ll always be that way with me in charge!” It's a favorite trick of politicians, and always hits me as off-putting. I believe it’s called a red herring.

Finally, while I generally agree with the substance Dakich's tweet, the tweet infers that a clean program is the primary relevant factor.

I'm squarely in the camp that integrity is an absolutely necessary starting component, but that the ideal coach can maintain integrity while sustaining high-level success. I eventually came around to the conclusion that Tom Crean would never be Jay Wright, Bo Ryan, Mark Few, or another of the select set of coaches that appear to be very clean and still ultra-successful.

 

 

[HoosierCoop 3,901]

47 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

 

No (or very few) IU fans ever had a problem with Tom Crean the man, or the integrity of the program on his watch (though Noah, Troy, and TB still scare me jes' a little bit).

FWIW, I'm also not a fan of folks who spray around requests for apologies or congratulations for things that were largely always a given:  "As I tried to tell you all, candy is sweet and grass is green." It's a favorite trick of politicians, and always hits me as off-putting.

Finally, while I generally agree with the substance Dakich's tweet, the tweet infers that a clean program is the primary relevant factor.

I'm squarely in the camp that integrity is an absolutely necessary starting component, but that the ideal coach can maintain integrity while sustaining high-level success. I eventually came around to the conclusion that Tom Crean would never be Jay Wright, Bo Ryan, Mark Few, or another of the select set of coaches that appear to be very clean and still ultra-successful.

 

 

Agreed.  You can have high integrity with high success.

But.......April, MSB, Gelon.  There was drawn line.

[mdn82 25,510]

Agreed.  You can have high integrity with high success.
But.......April, MSB, Gelon.  There was drawn line.

And that is amongst the many reasons he is fired. He wasn’t good enough to be here. Can anyone imagine if Kelvin Sampson were still here during this time? I know people joke that nothing is going to happen. But we are like 10% through a process that has to play out before the NCAA plays out. If the NCAA truly does nothing there will be a few hundred schools leaving the NCAA. The top 20 or so schools would go even further beyond where we are now that can afford, and the rest have no chance. Those schools have no reason to pay many millions to them when they aren’t protected.


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[woodenshoemanHoosierfan 6,198]

Exactly my sentiment.

I agree and don't think anyone really was concerned with Crean off the court in these types of situations.  Just didn't get it done on the court ... or not as consistent as we would have liked.   

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[LamarCheeks 18,290]

2 hours ago, woodenshoemanHoosierfan said:

I tend to agree with this

Check out @dandakich’s Tweet:

 

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I sorta get the "debt of gratitude" bit. I'm all for thanking Tom Crean for what he did for IU -- initially. He came into a terrible situation and a few years later, we were ranked No. 1. That's great. Thanks, Tom.

But he couldn't sustain that success -- and he was paid very, very handsomely for doing what he did. So why does anybody owe Tom Crean an apology? Because he ran a clean program and ended up getting fired? Isn't he supposed to run a clean program??? ... Should he apologize to us for being the eighth-highest paid coach in the country -- at $3.1 million per -- and missing out on the NCAA tournament every other year and letting the state's top talent go to Purdue and Michigan State and Kentucky and UCLA?  Should he apologize for being the eighth-highest paid coach in the country and not reaching one Big Ten tournament final? Heck, we only even reached the semifinals once. Should he apologize for being the eighth-highest paid coach in the country and not coming within a sniff of the Final Four -- even when, by far, we had the best team in the country one of those seasons? Nobody associated with IU owes Tom Crean an apology for anything! What a load of bunk! Dakich remains full of B.S.

[Bailey7878 2,506]

Ask the guy who wrote the yahoo article. That was his headline. I don't recall his name but I'm sure hed be happy to answer all your questions. I'd do a search and find the article and then email him will all of your rebuttals.

Why would he personally go there? Do you see any other commissioners at any trials that could involve repercussions? That’s what they have paid counsels for. Plus they will just go through the court documents. Reporters and victims go to those things. Mark Emmert is inept but not due to this.


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[woodenshoemanHoosierfan 6,198]

I sorta get the "debt of gratitude" bit. I'm all for thanking Tom Crean for what he did for IU -- initially. He came into a terrible situation and a few years later, we were ranked No. 1. That's great. Thanks, Tom.
But he couldn't sustain that success -- and he was paid very, very handsomely for doing what he did. So why does anybody owe Tom Crean an apology? Because he ran a clean program and ended up getting fired? Isn't he supposed to run a clean program??? ... Should he apologize to us for being the eighth-highest paid coach in the country -- at $3.1 million per -- and missing out on the NCAA tournament every other year and letting the state's top talent go to Purdue and Michigan State and Kentucky and UCLA?  Should he apologize for being the eighth-highest paid coach in the country and not reaching one Big Ten tournament final? Heck, we only even reached the semifinals once. Should he apologize for being the eighth-highest paid coach in the country and not coming within a sniff of the Final Four -- even when, by far, we had the best team in the country one of those seasons? Nobody associated with IU owes Tom Crean an apology for anything! What a load of bunk! Dakich remains full of B.S.

And I agree with this. It was time for him to go. But yes, we should glad or show gratitude for not being involved with those organizations.

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[MikeRoberts 6,943]

And I agree with this. It was time for him to go. But yes, we should glad or show gratitude for not being involved with those organizations.

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Are we sure he didn’t? I mean, one of the coaches on trial worked under Crean for years...

Dakich also alluded to TB’s recruitment being shady and now is making statements about how we should all be thankful he didn’t play those games...

He talks out of his @$$


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[mdn82 25,510]

Ask the guy who wrote the yahoo article. That was his headline. I don't recall his name but I'm sure hed be happy to answer all your questions. I'd do a search and find the article and then email him will all of your rebuttals.

 

 

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Cool it’s an idiotic stance. Ask anyone with common sense. If you would feel better me telling him that I can. I guess it’s not yours? You were just relaying? Find one prosecutor or judge that would appreciate Emmert being there. Not a single one would. Let’s put a little reverse truth on you. If Emmert didn’t give two shits about people cheating he would be there. Think about that one for a minute for the reasons Stu said.

 

Edit: with that said Emmert is horrible at his job.

 

 

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[Chips&Dipo 1,464]

1 hour ago, MikeRoberts said:

Are we sure he didn’t? I mean, one of the coaches on trial worked under Crean for years...

Dakich also alluded to TB’s recruitment being shady and now is making statements about how we should all be thankful he didn’t play those games...

He talks out of his @$$


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Crean agreed to do that charity dinner for him last year. Not trashing the event or the charity. Just my opinion that those things are related.