TOM CREAN FIRED

[Adillac 973]

5 minutes ago, Double Down said:

All over the national writers/talking heads is this notion that Indiana fans are these unreasonable rubes who just don't appreciate Tom Crean.

Crean did a fine job and one that we appreciate.  But he's had 9 years to establish that he can take Indiana back to an elite level.  The trend lines are not looking good.  It isn't just the up and down seasons, its that recruiting has taken a nosedive.  The AD has done everything in its power to make sure IU has the facilities, the national exposure and revenue channels for Indiana to compete with the blue blood programs.  The coach hasn't utilized these advantages to take us to the next level. 

Hoosier fans have been INSANELY patient.  They knew it would take time to build back up again.  But somewhere around Camp 3, progress stalled.  There is a lot of distance between where we are and the summit.  And we're gasping for air at this altitude.  

Bare with me here as I digress: I played hoops my entire life and didn't know crap until I went to school at Indiana.  It infuriated me.  I couldn't believe that grown men, who's job it was to teach the game, were so clueless compared to friends that I played with in the Hyper.  I never had more fun in my life running ball at the Hyper.  The basketball IQ of the average Indiana fan probably exceeds that a majority of the people who do it for a living.  This isn't hyperbole either.  And these are the people who are watching the Hoosiers at every step.  They are far more involved than just watching games; they enjoy the process of a team, a program, being built.  Because I love the game, I learned more and more about it from those who taught them.  My basketball education started late, but I couldn't get enough.  I still don't think I'm some swami.  Not at all.  But I do know smart basketball minds and Hoosier enclaves are loaded with them.    

But Midwestern values are at play, too.  Hoosiers are gracious people.  They are patient.  They value closeness and loyalty.  Yet, with their deep Hoops knowledge, their senses tell them that what they are watching clashes mightily with what they know is great basketball.  They call BS when they see it.  Even though they've had a critical eye on some odd on and off the court issues under Crean, most people weren't calling for his job.    

Nine years in, Crean has been given every opportunity to get to an elite level.  The fans have been extraordinarily patient.  This isn't just a blip year where a few things went wrong.  Patterns have been established and the forward trajectory isn't up and to the right.  

Indiana Basketball has now into it's "malaise" phase. National writers are playing the role of Jimmy Carter, telling us that we worship the basketball equivalent of self-indulgence and consumption.  That we're the problem.  We're the ones making ourselves miserable with our unreasonable demands.  If we'd put on and enjoy our Members Only jacket while celebrating our last National Championship, while being thankful that we have 5 years where we are only 2 games over .500 in the B1G.  That this is as good as its gonna get.    

Hoosiers aren't reacting well to this condescension.  And the VAST majority are conducting themselves with class.  They're used the supposed sophisticates talking down to them.  But they don't back down.  They never have, and never will.  Crean isn't just representative of someone they refuse to accept, he's also unfairly the vessel for national writers who want Indiana to accept that the glory days of banners and national competition are far behind them.       

This isn't anything personal to Crean (for most people).  Indiana fans are tired of watching their high school All-Stars throttle their southern neighbors every year.  Then we watch them all migrate to wearing blue and white vs cream and crimson to play college ball.  We not only want those players playing here, we want to be playing that game WHEREVER it can happen EVERY year.  

They're tired of being told by others they can't compete anymore.  Sorry Tom, but you're the man at the top who could have changed this a long time ago.  You aren't some factory worker making middle class wages, who will struggle to put food on the table without a job and health care for you and your family.  You are the highest paid state employee and the 8th highest paid coach in all of college basketball.  The results are in.  We refuse to accept this "malaise."  We know it can and WILL be better. 

Great post. Absolutely. 

[Uwe Robb 1,072]

2 hours ago, IUrocker said:

Someone spotted Glass at the Indy airport. 

Not sure what exotic Spring Break destination he is headed to in that attire.

 

Let's all hope it's OKC. I here they do it right for Spring Break.

[WayneFleekHoosier 49,807]

There is no benefit to firing Crean before the NIT so why would he do it?  Crean has a ton of faults, but he seems to genuinely care for his players.  Let the man finish out the season.  That 4 days affects nothing.  Glass can still negotiate with any option he wants too (all of those options are coaching at the moment too).
Yes it would have made us all feel better, but that probably didn't factor to heavily into the decision.

1.) allow the players to graciously end the season.
2.) allow both parties to officially search and publicly reach out to all interested prospects(time is of the essence-recruiting)
3.) stop the rumor mills and further disgracing that has become a social media circus.




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10 minutes ago, Double Down said:

All over the national writers/talking heads is this notion that Indiana fans are these unreasonable rubes who just don't appreciate Tom Crean.

Crean did a fine job and one that we appreciate.  But he's had 9 years to establish that he can take Indiana back to an elite level.  The trend lines are not looking good.  It isn't just the up and down seasons, its that recruiting has taken a nosedive.  The AD has done everything in its power to make sure IU has the facilities, the national exposure and revenue channels for Indiana to compete with the blue blood programs.  The coach hasn't utilized these advantages to take us to the next level. 

Hoosier fans have been INSANELY patient.  They knew it would take time to build back up again.  But somewhere around Camp 3, progress stalled.  There is a lot of distance between where we are and the summit.  And we're gasping for air at this altitude.  

Bare with me here as I digress: I played hoops my entire life and didn't know crap until I went to school at Indiana.  It infuriated me.  I couldn't believe that grown men, who's job it was to teach the game, were so clueless compared to friends that I played with in the Hyper.  I never had more fun in my life running ball at the Hyper.  The basketball IQ of the average Indiana fan probably exceeds that a majority of the people who do it for a living.  This isn't hyperbole either.  And these are the people who are watching the Hoosiers at every step.  They are far more involved than just watching games; they enjoy the process of a team, a program, being built.  Because I love the game, I learned more and more about it from those who taught them.  My basketball education started late, but I couldn't get enough.  I still don't think I'm some swami.  Not at all.  But I do know smart basketball minds and Hoosier enclaves are loaded with them.    

But Midwestern values are at play, too.  Hoosiers are gracious people.  They are patient.  They value closeness and loyalty.  Yet, with their deep Hoops knowledge, their senses tell them that what they are watching clashes mightily with what they know is great basketball.  They call BS when they see it.  Even though they've had a critical eye on some odd on and off the court issues under Crean, most people weren't calling for his job.    

Nine years in, Crean has been given every opportunity to get to an elite level.  The fans have been extraordinarily patient.  This isn't just a blip year where a few things went wrong.  Patterns have been established and the forward trajectory isn't up and to the right.  

Indiana Basketball has now into it's "malaise" phase. National writers are playing the role of Jimmy Carter, telling us that we worship the basketball equivalent of self-indulgence and consumption.  That we're the problem.  We're the ones making ourselves miserable with our unreasonable demands.  If we'd put on and enjoy our Members Only jacket while celebrating our last National Championship, while being thankful that we have 5 years where we are only 2 games over .500 in the B1G.  That this is as good as its gonna get.    

Hoosiers aren't reacting well to this condescension.  And the VAST majority are conducting themselves with class.  They're used the supposed sophisticates talking down to them.  But they don't back down.  They never have, and never will.  Crean isn't just representative of someone they refuse to accept, he's also unfairly the vessel for national writers who want Indiana to accept that the glory days of banners and national competition are far behind them.       

This isn't anything personal to Crean (for most people).  Indiana fans are tired of watching their high school All-Stars throttle their southern neighbors every year.  Then we watch them all migrate to wearing blue and white vs cream and crimson to play college ball.  We not only want those players playing here, we want to be playing that game WHEREVER it can happen EVERY year.  

They're tired of being told by others they can't compete anymore.  Sorry Tom, but you're the man at the top who could have changed this a long time ago.  You aren't some factory worker making middle class wages, who will struggle to put food on the table without a job and health care for you and your family.  You are the highest paid state employee and the 8th highest paid coach in all of college basketball.  The results are in.  We refuse to accept this "malaise."  We know it can and WILL be better. 

Wow.  That's a great post.

[Jared Hulen 9]

That was smooth and to the point!!


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19 minutes ago, Double Down said:

All over the national writers/talking heads is this notion that Indiana fans are these unreasonable rubes who just don't appreciate Tom Crean.

Crean did a fine job and one that we appreciate.  But he's had 9 years to establish that he can take Indiana back to an elite level.  The trend lines are not looking good.  It isn't just the up and down seasons, its that recruiting has taken a nosedive.  The AD has done everything in its power to make sure IU has the facilities, the national exposure and revenue channels for Indiana to compete with the blue blood programs.  The coach hasn't utilized these advantages to take us to the next level. 

Hoosier fans have been INSANELY patient.  They knew it would take time to build back up again.  But somewhere around Camp 3, progress stalled.  There is a lot of distance between where we are and the summit.  And we're gasping for air at this altitude.  

Bare with me here as I digress: I played hoops my entire life and didn't know crap until I went to school at Indiana.  It infuriated me.  I couldn't believe that grown men, who's job it was to teach the game, were so clueless compared to friends that I played with in the Hyper.  I never had more fun in my life running ball at the Hyper.  The basketball IQ of the average Indiana fan probably exceeds that a majority of the people who do it for a living.  This isn't hyperbole either.  And these are the people who are watching the Hoosiers at every step.  They are far more involved than just watching games; they enjoy the process of a team, a program, being built.  Because I love the game, I learned more and more about it from those who taught them.  My basketball education started late, but I couldn't get enough.  I still don't think I'm some swami.  Not at all.  But I do know smart basketball minds and Hoosier enclaves are loaded with them.    

But Midwestern values are at play, too.  Hoosiers are gracious people.  They are patient.  They value closeness and loyalty.  Yet, with their deep Hoops knowledge, their senses tell them that what they are watching clashes mightily with what they know is great basketball.  They call BS when they see it.  Even though they've had a critical eye on some odd on and off the court issues under Crean, most people weren't calling for his job.    

Nine years in, Crean has been given every opportunity to get to an elite level.  The fans have been extraordinarily patient.  This isn't just a blip year where a few things went wrong.  Patterns have been established and the forward trajectory isn't up and to the right.  

Indiana Basketball has now into it's "malaise" phase. National writers are playing the role of Jimmy Carter, telling us that we worship the basketball equivalent of self-indulgence and consumption.  That we're the problem.  We're the ones making ourselves miserable with our unreasonable demands.  If we'd put on and enjoy our Members Only jacket while celebrating our last National Championship, while being thankful that we have 5 years where we are only 2 games over .500 in the B1G.  That this is as good as its gonna get.    

Hoosiers aren't reacting well to this condescension.  And the VAST majority are conducting themselves with class.  They're used the supposed sophisticates talking down to them.  But they don't back down.  They never have, and never will.  Crean isn't just representative of someone they refuse to accept, he's also unfairly the vessel for national writers who want Indiana to accept that the glory days of banners and national competition are far behind them.       

This isn't anything personal to Crean (for most people).  Indiana fans are tired of watching their high school All-Stars throttle their southern neighbors every year.  Then we watch them all migrate to wearing blue and white vs cream and crimson to play college ball.  We not only want those players playing here, we want to be playing that game WHEREVER it can happen EVERY year.  

They're tired of being told by others they can't compete anymore.  Sorry Tom, but you're the man at the top who could have changed this a long time ago.  You aren't some factory worker making middle class wages, who will struggle to put food on the table without a job and health care for you and your family.  You are the highest paid state employee and the 8th highest paid coach in all of college basketball.  The results are in.  We refuse to accept this "malaise."  We know it can and WILL be better. 

Is it time for a "It's Morning Time Again in Indiana" commercial?  I guess either that or a "Mourning Time Again" commercial.  Either way good post.  I heartily agree!

[Double Down 324]

2 minutes ago, Maynard said:

Is it time for a "It's Morning Time Again in Indiana" commercial?  I guess either that or a "Mourning Time Again" commercial.  Either way good post.  I heartily agree!

Excellent reference.  Now we just need to get some Hoosiers with video editing skills to make this work! 

 

[HoosierCoop 4,107]

31 minutes ago, Double Down said:

All over the national writers/talking heads is this notion that Indiana fans are these unreasonable rubes who just don't appreciate Tom Crean.

Crean did a fine job and one that we appreciate.  But he's had 9 years to establish that he can take Indiana back to an elite level.  The trend lines are not looking good.  It isn't just the up and down seasons, its that recruiting has taken a nosedive.  The AD has done everything in its power to make sure IU has the facilities, the national exposure and revenue channels for Indiana to compete with the blue blood programs.  The coach hasn't utilized these advantages to take us to the next level. 

Hoosier fans have been INSANELY patient.  They knew it would take time to build back up again.  But somewhere around Camp 3, progress stalled.  There is a lot of distance between where we are and the summit.  And we're gasping for air at this altitude.  

Bare with me here as I digress: I played hoops my entire life and didn't know crap until I went to school at Indiana.  It infuriated me.  I couldn't believe that grown men, who's job it was to teach the game, were so clueless compared to friends that I played with in the Hyper.  I never had more fun in my life running ball at the Hyper.  The basketball IQ of the average Indiana fan probably exceeds that a majority of the people who do it for a living.  This isn't hyperbole either.  And these are the people who are watching the Hoosiers at every step.  They are far more involved than just watching games; they enjoy the process of a team, a program, being built.  Because I love the game, I learned more and more about it from those who taught them.  My basketball education started late, but I couldn't get enough.  I still don't think I'm some swami.  Not at all.  But I do know smart basketball minds and Hoosier enclaves are loaded with them.    

But Midwestern values are at play, too.  Hoosiers are gracious people.  They are patient.  They value closeness and loyalty.  Yet, with their deep Hoops knowledge, their senses tell them that what they are watching clashes mightily with what they know is great basketball.  They call BS when they see it.  Even though they've had a critical eye on some odd on and off the court issues under Crean, most people weren't calling for his job.    

Nine years in, Crean has been given every opportunity to get to an elite level.  The fans have been extraordinarily patient.  This isn't just a blip year where a few things went wrong.  Patterns have been established and the forward trajectory isn't up and to the right.  

Indiana Basketball has now into it's "malaise" phase. National writers are playing the role of Jimmy Carter, telling us that we worship the basketball equivalent of self-indulgence and consumption.  That we're the problem.  We're the ones making ourselves miserable with our unreasonable demands.  If we'd put on and enjoy our Members Only jacket while celebrating our last National Championship, while being thankful that we have 5 years where we are only 2 games over .500 in the B1G.  That this is as good as its gonna get.    

Hoosiers aren't reacting well to this condescension.  And the VAST majority are conducting themselves with class.  They're used the supposed sophisticates talking down to them.  But they don't back down.  They never have, and never will.  Crean isn't just representative of someone they refuse to accept, he's also unfairly the vessel for national writers who want Indiana to accept that the glory days of banners and national competition are far behind them.       

This isn't anything personal to Crean (for most people).  Indiana fans are tired of watching their high school All-Stars throttle their southern neighbors every year.  Then we watch them all migrate to wearing blue and white vs cream and crimson to play college ball.  We not only want those players playing here, we want to be playing that game WHEREVER it can happen EVERY year.  

They're tired of being told by others they can't compete anymore.  Sorry Tom, but you're the man at the top who could have changed this a long time ago.  You aren't some factory worker making middle class wages, who will struggle to put food on the table without a job and health care for you and your family.  You are the highest paid state employee and the 8th highest paid coach in all of college basketball.  The results are in.  We refuse to accept this "malaise."  We know it can and WILL be better. 

Presented very well Iron Maiden!!!!!!

[Sknits nad 168]

26 minutes ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

1.) allow the players to graciously end the season.
2.) allow both parties to officially search and publicly reach out to all interested prospects(time is of the essence-recruiting)
3.) stop the rumor mills and further disgracing that has become a social media circus.




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1.  Allowing him to coach the final game of the season is the gracious way to end the season.
2.  Glass can't openly try and talk to coaches who are about to start the NCAA tourney.  Both can search all they want, just not publicly.
3.  It would be nice to stop the rumor mill.  He could have done that any time in the last month by giving Crean a vote of confidence (if he was staying).  He isn't staying so let him finish the season and then part ways.  

We are the ones creating the circus because Glass won't give us the immediate satisfaction we all want.  I get it, I can't wait to take a deep breath once he is officially out.  Just be patient, letting Crean finish the year/coach an additional 4 days changes nothing.

Edited March 14, 2017 by Sknits nad

[Maynard 561]

I looked for a thread where this would fit in and did not find one.  I thought I would use it to contribute to the page count here.  I am fairly new to the whole board etiquette thing, so if this is a violation then I will gladly remove it.  Each year we do a Bracket Contest and give away up to $1000 in fireworks to the winner.  It is one the ESPN site. 

Our group name is FFMM2017

password: fireworks  

There is no entry fee.  Its just our staff (trying to keep the product in house) vs customers (trying to win the product).  All are welcome.

[sirhoosierlot 3,179]

Glass is probably using white out to change the contract so that his little buddy Tom gets all of Indiana's money and replace the 76 season banner with one honoring him when he leaves.


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Tom Crean #1 March Madness Coach

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[tyappleg 5,454]

I don't know if anybody listens to Pat McAfee's podcast. But he had a pretty humorous first segment of his most recent podcast regarding Crean. Just know Pat doesn't know anything about college basketball (but had some decent takes).


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[pumpfake 4,123]

I just find it so aggravating to hear media types, particularly those on the national stage, talk about us being unreasonable or impatient.  As much as I dislike UK, they have a goal to be the best and if their coach isn't up to the task, he's replaced.  Rinse and repeat until they got the guy that can deliver up to their expectations.  Once they achieved this (this time with Calipari), all you hear from those same media types is effusive praise and constant worshiping of that program.  To hell with columnists and talking heads, they aren't the ones supporting the university/athletic department...we are.

[Banksyrules 5,265]

I'm going to get pissed if I see a NIT championship rafter hung up at assembly hall. And yes i know one is already there. It was stupid then and it's stupid now.

[VO5 8,339]

7 minutes ago, pumpfake said:

I just find it so aggravating to hear media types, particularly those on the national stage, talk about us being unreasonable or impatient.  As much as I dislike UK, they have a goal to be the best and if their coach isn't up to the task, he's replaced.  Rinse and repeat until they got the guy that can deliver up to their expectations.  Once they achieved this (this time with Calipari), all you hear from those same media types is effusive praise and constant worshiping of that program.  To hell with columnists and talking heads, they aren't the ones supporting the university/athletic department...we are.

What the media guys are basically saying is that we aren't elite anymore and that we should be content with this coach because it's the best we can do. That's what I take from it anyway. 

[pumpfake 4,123]

Just now, VO5 said:

What the media guys are basically saying is that we aren't elite anymore and that we should be content with this coach because it's the best we can do. That's what I take from it anyway. 

Yep, pretty much.  Yet I can guarantee you if we were to get the next great coach and get back to achieving Fred's goals, they'd be right there sucking up.  Just like they do to any winning team or program.

[VO5 8,339]

3 minutes ago, pumpfake said:

Yep, pretty much.  Yet I can guarantee you if we were to get the next great coach and get back to achieving Fred's goals, they'd be right there sucking up.  Just like they do to any winning team or program.

Absolutely right.

[KingPG21 6,587]

14 minutes ago, pumpfake said:

I just find it so aggravating to hear media types, particularly those on the national stage, talk about us being unreasonable or impatient.  As much as I dislike UK, they have a goal to be the best and if their coach isn't up to the task, he's replaced.  Rinse and repeat until they got the guy that can deliver up to their expectations.  Once they achieved this (this time with Calipari), all you hear from those same media types is effusive praise and constant worshiping of that program.  To hell with columnists and talking heads, they aren't the ones supporting the university/athletic department...we are.

So many of them are former coaches, that is the issue. Its a fraternity, and they defend each other like brothers. I couldn't give a crap less what Seth Greensburg feels about Tom Crean, or Andy Katz, or worst of all Vitale who seems to legitimately think Cal is a stand up guy. They aren't fans, deep down they couldn't care less about the state of our program. 

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Just now, Banksyrules said:

I'm going to get pissed if I see a NIT championship rafter hung up at assembly hall. And yes i know one is already there. It was stupid then and it's stupid now.

Now that almost half of D-1 schools can qualify for the NCAA Tournament, flashing an NIT Banner is just an advertisement for a season gone awry.  

I'll watch tonight's game.  Didn't know I was into S&M, but maybe this proves I have some deep seeded issues.  

 

[SteelerHoosier 2,586]

Any new rumors?  Lol