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I played in both systems and was very anti-class basketball.  At the time I was at a smaller school that played and beat bigger schools quite often.  But at this point, the big schools have gotten so big even I have to question if a single class makes sense.  Basically,  the big schools keep growing and the smaller schools have stagnated,  or shrunk, in size.  
It's sad that people won't ever get to experience that again. Indiana HS basketball is still the best in the country, imo, but the old single class system was an institution that stood alone.  But nothing in life is constant but change. 

I might be more jealous of that than his upcoming million dollar salary.  Lol

I might be more jealous of that than his upcoming million dollar salary.  Lol

I might be more jealous of that than his upcoming million dollar salary.  Lol

I played in both systems and was very anti-class basketball.  At the time I was at a smaller school that played and beat bigger schools quite often.  But at this point, the big schools have gotten so big even I have to question if a single class makes sense.  Basically,  the big schools keep growing and the smaller schools have stagnated,  or shrunk, in size.  
It's sad that people won't ever get to experience that again. Indiana HS basketball is still the best in the country, imo, but the old single class system was an institution that stood alone.  But nothing in life is constant but change. 

I might be more jealous of that than his upcoming million dollar salary.  Lol

If that fanbase has any sense (I'm not sure if any fanbase has any sense) that guy should have as much leeway as anyone ever could. The school and coach pairing there is just perfect in every way.

I might be more jealous of that than his upcoming million dollar salary.  Lol

I might be more jealous of that than his upcoming million dollar salary.  Lol

Ballo looks like DeAndre Thomas, if DeAndre Thomas had a personal trainer instead of a personal pizza delivery guy.

I played in both systems and was very anti-class basketball.  At the time I was at a smaller school that played and beat bigger schools quite often.  But at this point, the big schools have gotten so big even I have to question if a single class makes sense.  Basically,  the big schools keep growing and the smaller schools have stagnated,  or shrunk, in size.  
It's sad that people won't ever get to experience that again. Indiana HS basketball is still the best in the country, imo, but the old single class system was an institution that stood alone.  But nothing in life is constant but change. 

Whether we do it or not, is up to your opinion on Woody (And this isn’t the thread for that). But we’d have to play small to get another starter quality guard off the bench (ie land 2/3 of conwell, hickman, carlyle) any decent min. 
 
40min a game x 5 starters = 200 total min. 
 
if your starters all avg 28 mpg your at 140 minutes leaving 60 for the bench. Galloway played 33mpg last year, but let’s say he’s a team player and does 20mpg off the bench this year. 
 
40mpg left. Your 5star frosh Tucker + table scraps for Cupps/Leal/backup big is probably at least 20mpg. 
 
20mpg left. That’s the max you can offer a 2nd portal guard and that’s if you stagger Ballo/Reneau perfectly and play 4out or mbako at the 4 half the time.  
 
There’s no way to play big all game and get 2 more guards the mins they want.

Maybe. Seems like at least the Cook portion of it is tied to Woody and Buckner. So what happens if they're gone next year? Or is it a one time thing regardless?  Nobody really knows.  Only that they've invested heavily in Woodson for another year.  
 
This isn't the pros where you have reoccurring revenue.  It's essentially time money every year.  

For what role? Guys that want to start and play big minutes can’t get that here , assuming a Carlyle commit. I actually don’t think it’s surprising that hickman or conwell aren’t interested in possibly sub 20min off the bench. 

Was hopeful we could sell Hickman on that with the home town connection and NIL. He would have really elevated the roster in that role IMO. Guess you're right it's not too surprising though. Hopefully we find a different knockdown shooter to play in a small-ish role.

For what role? Guys that want to start and play big minutes can’t get that here , assuming a Carlyle commit. I actually don’t think it’s surprising that hickman or conwell aren’t interested in possibly sub 20min off the bench. 

For what role? Guys that want to start and play big minutes can’t get that here , assuming a Carlyle commit. I actually don’t think it’s surprising that hickman or conwell aren’t interested in possibly sub 20min off the bench. 

One of Tucker Galloway and 3rd portal guard may not get minutes. Newton and Cupps may be lucky to have a spot in the layup line for warmups.

I am going to do a dangerous thing and assume a few things (working off of posts by Chris007 and knowledge from others): Carlyle will commit to IU, likely on his visit, Oumar Ballo will commit to IU sometime in the next day or two. That leaves IU with a roster of:
Returning: Cupps, Newton, Galloway, Leal, Reneau, Mgbako 
Arriving: Bryson Tucker, Myles Rice, Kanaan Carlyle, Oumar Ballo
That would be ten scholarships filled with three remaining. I have heard, as have others, IU did not enter the portal season with intentions to fill all 13 scholarships. That could change but I would be surprised if we had more than 12 players on scholarship.
The Connor Hickman versus Ryan Conwell "debate" is somewhat interesting but largely a moot point. It's not a draft and IU has a lot of traction with Hickman while Conwell (who I am 100% sure has been made very aware of IU's very strong interest, plan and offer) is confirmed to be visiting four schools that are not IU. I think very rational arguments can be made that Hickman is way more than just a consolation prize. He is a very good three-point shooter and I think his percentage actually is underappreciated. Bradley was not a shooter friendly system and they played with a ball dominant point guard that didn't set Hickman up. There were not a whole lot of catch and shoot opportunities. I think he could thrive IF (major IF) put into position to succeed as a spot-up shooter in addition to his ability to play as a secondary ball-handler in pick and roll situations with Ballo. I don't have a bunch of inside information but I am told things occasionally, particularly when there are players with strong connections to Indiana high school basketball due to my involvement in it (which feels like a lifetime and a lot of lost athleticism ago)...Connor Hickman has never asked for a promise that he will start. He wants a chance to start, a chance to compete and earn playing time. He wants to know that other guys will not be ahead of them just because the other guys might be promised things. IU has offered him that chance along with, I am sure, a hefty NIL number. Will he choose IU? I hope so. I don't think IU could have done anything differently than what they did to land him. 
If he joins, you have two scholarships left. I am very surprised by this but I do believe there is a somewhat realistic chance IU lands Payne, in addition to Oumar Ballo. I don't know if that's going to happen and I don't know if that is a great thing. Payne is very intriguing and I like watching him and he'd be a REALLY good backup center that could maybe give us a few minutes as a four in a pinch if he was surrounded by like Rice/Hickman/Mgbako as shooters. I would certainly prefer Humrichous but I don't know if he actually is interested in joining IU in a rotation role. If Payne would do that...I think you take him and then hope we stagger the bigs appropriately.

Yep, I’ll stay on topic :)
 
The minutes point is what the discussion was meant to be about so you nailed it. If we’re bringing in all of these guards, but only play a two guard lineup, then there’s only 80 minutes available but if we go 3 guards that’s 120 minutes available which, given how the roster looks to be shaping up, probably makes more sense.
 
 This also would allow Tucker, who I assume gets 15+ minutes a game, to spend his time at the 3 instead of possibly at the 2.

Tony Perkins commits to Missouri per Rabby

Whether we do it or not, is up to your opinion on Woody (And this isn’t the thread for that). But we’d have to play small to get another starter quality guard off the bench (ie land 2/3 of conwell, hickman, carlyle) any decent min. 
 
40min a game x 5 starters = 200 total min. 
 
if your starters all avg 28 mpg your at 140 minutes leaving 60 for the bench. Galloway played 33mpg last year, but let’s say he’s a team player and does 20mpg off the bench this year. 
 
40mpg left. Your 5star frosh Tucker + table scraps for Cupps/Leal/backup big is probably at least 20mpg. 
 
20mpg left. That’s the max you can offer a 2nd portal guard and that’s if you stagger Ballo/Reneau perfectly and play 4out or mbako at the 4 half the time.  
 
There’s no way to play big all game and get 2 more guards the mins they want.

Whether we do it or not, is up to your opinion on Woody (And this isn’t the thread for that). But we’d have to play small to get another starter quality guard off the bench (ie land 2/3 of conwell, hickman, carlyle) any decent min. 
 
40min a game x 5 starters = 200 total min. 
 
if your starters all avg 28 mpg your at 140 minutes leaving 60 for the bench. Galloway played 33mpg last year, but let’s say he’s a team player and does 20mpg off the bench this year. 
 
40mpg left. Your 5star frosh Tucker + table scraps for Cupps/Leal/backup big is probably at least 20mpg. 
 
20mpg left. That’s the max you can offer a 2nd portal guard and that’s if you stagger Ballo/Reneau perfectly and play 4out or mbako at the 4 half the time.  
 
There’s no way to play big all game and get 2 more guards the mins they want.

I know this is the way of things now but I really hate not getting to see a player grow and get to know them anymore.  I hope Gabe sticks around.

With Rice already in the fold it comes down to who the staff best fits guard wise and how picky they want to be.   I personally would want Carlyle to commit.  He is exactly the type of guard you see on teams that are in the mix for making deep runs.   The more guards you have that can score on all 3 levels the better your team will be.  That leaves you need a threat that can hit from deep.  You then take whichever player of Conwell or Hickman want to be a Hoosier.  The portal is still adding players to it everyday so if neither of those 2 commit you go back in the portal and find a shooter but I would focus on getting Carlyle.   Ballo all day everyday over Payne.  Ballo is ranked the number 1 portal option by many services for a reason.  Back in the day Payne advantage over him would be he has multiple years left however in todays landscape you can’t count on that happening basically every staff needs to treat every player as a 1 year player. Staffs have to recruit their whole team over every year.   Miles having 3 years left is nice but you can only look at it as 1 year at a time