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DChoosier

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  1. 27 minutes ago, AZ Hoosier said:

    That backcourt limitation was fully and squarely on the architect of that roster - one Michael Dean Woodson. He left an open scholarship and a dearth of serviceable personnel at the guard position. You can't give him credit for the all-star front court and excuse the crappy backcourt. It's his job. He claimed that he did his job, but the proof in in the playing.

    ???????
    I’ll give you an A+ for twisting my post. I’m guessing you didn’t read my second sentence of the post which was……

    “Woody didn’t get guards which turned out to be catastrophic”

    In no way, shape or form was I excusing the backcourt but rather said Woody did not get guards.


  2. 3 minutes ago, HoosierX said:

    I'm with you, we should absolutely be using the advantages we have. I have no problem with these players getting paid.

    I think part of the frustration is that Woody had this same advantage last year, and he did very little with it. A lot of people, me included, gave Woody a ton of credit for landing Mgbako and Ware last year. In reality, we probably paid them more than they would have made anywhere else. Again, I have no problem with it, but where is the ROI?

    I'm glad we're landing some players, but I'm not sure Woody should get all the credit for it. In reality, the credit probably belongs just as much to the fans he has maligned.

    Ware and MM were great “gets” but the ROI was limited due to the backcourt.

    Woody didn’t get guards which turned out to be catastrophic. All the coaching issues aside there are not many programs that would have won more than 10 BT games with Cupps/Leal/Gallo/Gunn and the last season version of X on the perimeter. 


  3. 8 minutes ago, iu eyedoc said:

    There is a difference between a great player that wants to play at IU getting paid, and a great player that wants to be paid to play at IU. Maybe that subtle nuance is lost on you.

    No, it’s not lost on me.
    Your post just happened to be one of a thousand referencing us paying guys. Is $$$ the only reason Tucker wants to play at IU? Maybe, but I don’t know that for sure. Many said that about Ware but he turned out seeming pretty dedicated to IU/winning,


  4. 42 minutes ago, ziggyiu said:

    For me, the roster is secondary to the coach. This past season he had more star power than any other B1G school. He coached them to 10 losses in conference. 

    Coaching aside, and I realize that’s a huge component to put to the side,…..

    It’s a guards game but all of our star power was in the front court. We needed, and still need, guards. And yes, I realize it’s Woodys fault we didn’t have the guards.


  5. 23 minutes ago, iu eyedoc said:

    The roster is decidedly worse than last years at this point, not sure why anyone thinks a 5* coming to be paid moves the needle. He is still being coach by a guy that doesn't understand college BB. At this point this is a sub .500 team.

    Damn, I was hoping we would land one of the 4 or 5* not interested in getting paid.  Hopefully we will land some great altruistic guys from the transfer portal.


  6. 18 minutes ago, NashvilleHoosier said:

    I'm sure I already know the answer to this, but has this ship completely sailed? It seems the recruiting fire has been ignited to some degree. Doesn't appear there's been any movement with McNeeley yet. Is there any chance the message can be flipped, show who we're in on in the portal and how that will change our offense, and that we have a fresh stockpile of cash with his name on it?

    I think the chances of still landing Liam were zero prior to today.

    Due to landing Tucker today our chances are probably now less than zero.


  7. 1 minute ago, Golfman25 said:

    Sure but I think you're missing the intent of the concern.  Everyone gets paid -- no problem.  Question become whether money is the overriding factor.  If your just doing it "for the money" then you're really just going thru the motions.  There is no connection.  There is no glue.  

    I agree that a team of nothing but guys that only joined because it was the absolute highest bid is not optimal.
    These days a program has to have the NIL $$$$ to compete for players but hopefully you don’t have a team of guys that literally don’t care about anything other than who is the highest bidder.


  8. 1 hour ago, JF87 said:

    The Ringer has their new mock draft.  Ware goes 21 and MgBako is not listed in the 2 rounds.

    ESPN (just updated) has Ware 26th 

    NBADRAFT.net has Ware 30th

    Not surprised (not a knock because he might make the board next year) but MM didn’t show up on either of their first 2 round picks.

    On a side note Edey was the EPSN 14th pick which is quite an uptick for him.


  9. Just now, Chris007 said:

    All that is true but what I said is true also. Certain players ask for promises. Mgbako wanted a promise he would be a starter. When you have to recruit in the spring to get certain players you make promises. As you said Self lies. Some coaches won't promise to be a starter but will promise 20-25 minutes a game. These things do happen. Unfortunately our coach makes them more than others

    That’s interesting, but a bummer.

    Like I said in a previous post I just didn’t know if that was the case. I assumed there were strong “you really fill a need we have” type of comments but am not a fan of “you will definitely start if you come here”.


  10. 14 minutes ago, JF87 said:

    Tucker is a wing.  Most wings can play the small forward or the shooting guard role.  He's now a Hoosier.

     

    Committed: IU basketball lands national top-20 class of 2024 5-star wing Bryson Tucker – The Daily Hoosier

    Lots to like in that article.

    Just wish, in a perfect world, that his range extended beyond the elbow. Hopefully we can get a guy capable of opening things up (or maybe the plan is to go with a 4 in 1 out offense…LOL)


  11. 6 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

    MR wasn't going to get one with TJD and Race returning as seniors his freshman year

    That is what I assumed but from what I was reading I thought the implication was that we only landed high level guys by guaranteeing them a starting spot. 
    I’ll admit my interpretation of the post might be incorrect.


  12. 4 minutes ago, RaceToTheTop said:

    You totally glossed over my first point about Tucker.  BTW, Tamar Bates was a high ranked incoming freshman at IU and he wasn’t a starter and he was here two years.

    And MR was very highly ranked but only started 3 games as a freshman. Guess he didn’t get the coveted promise.


  13. 1 minute ago, JF87 said:

    That's definitely not the coach Woodson rule.  :)

    I’m not disputing you but asking if you really know that he makes all these “I guarantee you will start” promises.  
    By your calculation, if we land those guys, Gallo is definitely on the bench and if we also land Connell he would  automatically join Gallo on the bench due to other promises ?

    I really hope that is not what is happening.


  14. 13 minutes ago, OKHOOSIER said:

    That is all true, except coaching, play style, and program still matters. I mentioned this earlier but it was pretty widely reported Dickinson took less money than he could have because he wanted to play at Kansas. And I am not talking rumor mill stuff, like interview with Bleacher Report type reporting. Did he still get a bag that probably dwarfed his UM bag? Of course he did, but that was not the only motivation. We are not the Yankees laughing at the CBA or the Lakers laughing at the luxury tax when others simply do not have the money. This notion we can outbid for high level targets is baffling to me. Our NIL would be FAR more effective when combined with "cheaper" high school recruiting. Instead we have to build half a roster. It is madness.  

    I agree that those all matter. No doubt.
    That being said, when a sought after portal or high school player is being pursued the coach still needs access to “the bag”. To your point it doesn’t have to be the largest bag but it better have some goodies inside.


  15. 38 minutes ago, iu-dl said:

    I'm questioning the direction of the entire program & administration yet again with a simple concept: Give Woodson a "bag" of money and go "buy high character players" since he struck out on recruiting. Those two concepts don't line up, my friends. High character guys, and good teammates in general, aren't what we're looking for. They're looking for a spot in Lexington.

    I agree with the sentiment, and Woody certainly struck out in HS recruiting, but the way things are these days the bags of money don’t bother me as much as it does some.  
    Let’s say he would have landed 5 high school players (he only missed that target by 5. LOL). My assumption is that all 5 of those high school players would have had their “bags” lined up.  Does that make them less desirable or low character?  We were excited about Liam and I’d bet everything I own that the IU bag was well over 100k.


  16. 1 minute ago, HoosierHuddle said:

    making Conwell a major priority (if he enters).

    Thanks for the response.

    In regards to him entering the portal…I have no idea (and hadn’t really heard of him until a couple of hours ago LOL) but the odds of a mid-major “star” entering the portal are extremely high when their coach leaves and he has a chance to play at a P5 school.  
    Not to mention that his NIL at ISU probably consisted of free pizza and the use of a bicycle while a P5 school will offer him 250k-500k+ or so.  Based on the feedback I  hope we get him


  17. 4 minutes ago, Hovadipo said:

    President of the Ryan Conwell Fan Club checking in. Absolutely. He would've been our best guard this season and it wouldn't have been particularly close, not that the bar was sky high. Big, strong lefty at 6'4 195 and I'd buy a little heavier than that. Can pull up from anywhere, catch and shoot, drive, has a solid handle. Trees aren't known for locking anyone up this season, but his physicals don't give me much pause as far as guarding at this level. In the NIT he's played against 3 P6 schools (counting SMU going to the ACC next year) that featured big, long athletes and has taken over all 3 games at certain points.

    The no-brainiest of all no-brainers.

    And he is from Indy which hopefully/might help us.  
    Hope we go at him with a 39 gallon lawn and leaf hefty bag


  18. 17 minutes ago, HoosierHuddle said:

    -Guards: Connor Hickman (visit this weekend), Ryan Conwell (has not entered yet but is going to after ISU's season ends...IU has already made him aware that he is a priority as he should be)

    I haven’t watched ISU at all.
    Does Conwell’s game look like it would transfer to the BT? I love the fact that he is 6’4” and from the field/3/FT he shot 49%, 42%, 86%. That would be GREAT if he could do something close to that in the BT.


  19. 37 minutes ago, Trish said:

    I hate to be the negative nancy of the group per usual. But this Tucker kid I assume asked for a boat load of money. According to a scout review, he's a big fan of the mid-range shot. This sounds right up Mike Woodson's alley, taking the most inefficient shot in basketball!

     

     

    I agree with everything in your post except for the first sentence….LOL


  20. Perkins not a great shooter

    Tucker is a mid-range guy

    Thats ok IF we can also land some shooters. What in the world needs to happen for IU, in INDIANA, to get shooters?  Hopefully MM comes back because at this point he is the only perimeter threat we have.  Another year in the 300’s, in 3 point shooting percentage and volume, won’t cut it. Is it really that hard?


  21. 10 hours ago, TTT said:

    I wonder if guys in the transfer portal ever talk to one another about the NIL….Man, that Woodsman at IU I’m going to check that gig out…He’s got a briefcase full of cash.

    I have no idea if Hunter Dickinson directly talked to other guys in the portal but when he transferred to Kansas he openly stated that he was making under 100k at UM and was aware of “stars” making nearly $1,000,000 and basically thought…WTF.  
    The “briefcases” definitely, not surprisingly, have impact.

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