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count me in believe-it-when-i-see-it category. again, i want AM to get a chance to recruit his players, and develop his players. losing your two best players (two best by a huge margin) will be rough next year. if people hate our O now, just wait lol. anyway, there's nothing more than i'd like to see as Archie succeed. But it's looking like a long and rough road.

he's not going anywhere this year. i'm not an AM hater. i've actually preached patience. i just don't see him here for 3 more years without significant improvement. i don't see him here past year 4 with the same type of results. relevant to play, we don't have shooters. and we don't really have shooters coming in next year except Franklin, whom I don't see carrying the team. i just don't see the O being good enough next year. i'd love to be wrong. perhaps the year after if Franklin develops and we land a 20 shooter like Leal and others. It's just hard to envision success 2 years away......

It has a lot of merit. The only issue, next year without Morgan will likely be ugly. Not sure they will give Archie that much time (they suggest 3 more years). Archie better be looking hard for shooters be it transfers, jucos, or whatever.

It was hard to watch... If Archie doesn't move to a rotation geared almost 100% towards offense, he's going to continue to pile up losses, lose the players, and lose his job. Zach either needs to start attempting shots (and making them), or he needs to sit. Fitz simply should not be an option. Personally, Give me Morgan and Smith as primary Fs, and Romeo, Phin, and Green starting Gs. Durham first off the bench, and pick the hot hand F of the week not named Fitz.... And if he does lose his job, Glass needs to hit the road too.

I said early in the year that 3pt and perimeter would be our biggest issues, and got poked at by several. I didn't see FT performance being this bad though. NW game IMO will set the tone going forward. Of our losses this year, we haven't lost to a "bad" team. We just need to start wining vs good teams. 5 of 6 losses were on the road. Losing to Nebraska, or really the way we lost, is what bothers me the most. Not high or low on Archie yet, but he needs to figure out a rotation that can score. Fitz is not a short or long term answer. Situational at best depending on the personnel and D we are facing.

no doubt there were a few during the game. post game was MUCH better this weekend.

It's nice to see this board happier and more positive. People were pretty miserable after the close win over Louisville. I thought I might see more misery and Archie bashing after a close Butler win. Perhaps folks are sitting back and just enjoying things more. Or perhaps they're just tired of being chicken littles. Either way, it's awesome to see a W, in a very entertaining finish, be ranked, and have a great start in the Big10. Let's beat a couple cupcakes, pound IL, and give scUM a bloody nose in Ann Arbwhore

https://twitter.com/IndianaMBB/status/1074093559928758273

I'm looking forward to the two cupcakes before Christmas to give the guys a rest and improve (and my heart a chance to recover), but I hate that we'll have to wait till next year (Jan3) for the next decent game.

Say whatever you want about the team struggling. We're 4-0 since Duke with some good wins. This team simply does not quit, and learning to win close games is a huge positive. I think I predicted a dog fight and a 74-69 win. Not too far off. Two cupcakes and then a little break before we start B10 play again.

holy cow. W

hits home. i was the same class as EA. did beer bongs with him during little 5 and had overlapping friends. good dude. awesome IU player. too young

IU 74, Butler 69

The voters must have read the game thread and could see how bad the team is lol.... if they had read the game thread, they would have believed we're 0-3 over the last 3 games, and would have left us out altogether... but maybe you're right, and saw the comment about our 23 pt thumping of Marquette as nothing more than an "aberration"

IU now 25 in the AP. A little, actually a lot confused why a 2 loss Marquette who we beat, and a 2 loss Wisconsin (who Marq beat) are ranked ahead of us.

Just read that yesterday's game was Louisville's worst offensive output this year. IU's D held them to 1pt per possession.

he's been a blessing. injury forced him into things, but we're better for it long term. he'll be the leader next year.

I get some frustration, but I think a lot of folks have irrational/unrealistic expectations to begin with. The good -Morgan returns -Langford one and done stud The bad, or the challenges -Six new players (half the team), 5 frosh, plus a one dimensional transfer -With the above, add Race Thompson who logged zero minutes last year (RS) -Injuries to 3 players who were projected as preseason starters (Davis, Green, McRoberts), as well as impacts to Hunter, Thompson, and Durham. IU was a poor team to start last year, who improved to be a mediocre team by the end of the season. To think we're going to be lights out world beaters (even without injury) early this year is pretty silly given what returned, and knowing we have 6 brand new guys coming in. Then add in the 6 injuries at various stages in a very short amount of time. Personally I thought by mid season (if healthy) we'd be starting to gel, and by end of season we'd be competing for 3rd or 4th place and we'd make the tourney. Maybe even second place with luck. We haven't been healthy at all, but we've still persevered to be 8-2 with a respectable KP ranking. I see no reason to think we won't compete for 3rd or 4th. For those who started out thinking we should win the Big, or even take second... are setting themselves up to be miserable this year. Be happy with a W, any W. And expect improvement while we get healthy. Last night, officiating sucked at times, and our FTs sucked. I'm betting Archie is working hard on FTs given his temperment in-game.

I know Pitino's history very well. My Q was which situation are you referring too. Meaning KY or Louisville. And like I said earlier, Pitino and Cal are on another level. Why would you compare Archie to one of them? Would that not be setting irrational expectation. It's like you expect every basketball player to be Jordan. In terms of star talent, MSU has the best composite talent over the last 4 years. OSU is not far behind.

according to some, 1) that's not good enough, and 2) we don't have an offensive system because we don't shoot FTs well.

at least 4 of their returning players are 95+ composite ranked. they are not void of talent.

which Pitino team/situation are you talking about? Archie is in the beginning of year two. Are you even going to give him this year to succeed? BTW, Pitino actually had a slightly worse record his first year at KY. And how many wins has he vacated for cheating? Mike White - the same Mike white that took over at FL after their coach went Pro. The same FL that went to the final four 2 years earlier lol... still waiting on a situation remotely close. FTs are a skill, not a system. The system get's the player to the line to shoot the FT.

what did i make up? i even re-quoted you after you conflicted your own post. you gave poor examples of coaches/situations not remotely close to Archie and IU. FTs aren't a system. nobody is saying we shouldn't shoot FTs better. BTW, RP had a few teams that were awful at FTs... Again with Pitino. Someone who's not remotely close to Miller/IU situation, and is also no longer in the game because he cheated. Still waiting for you to answer simple direct Qs. But keep dancing...