Crimson and Cream

BBBBBBBBBBBBBWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHHHHHHHHHHHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAH...Crean is a good coach.  That's funny.  What else ya' got?

"He's a good coach." Please provide evidence. Not a response based on your emotions.

Huh?

Some quoting issues going on here. This is fun.

I will not miss Walton tripped up on so much acid.

I'll just put this here and let the mods decide what to do with it (I don't see it anywhere else, if it is just delete this). Jason Spriggs to the Senior Bowl.

Just saw this thread. Thanks for the laugh.

And POTFB

I'll just put this here and let the mods decide what to do with it (I don't see it anywhere else, if it is just delete this). Jason Spriggs to the Senior Bowl.

He could just walk away like Spurrier here in SC, but we couldn't be so lucky.

I am a graduate of Indiana University who witnessed a National Championship season while a student. While that makes me old it also makes me in the minority here. Yes I'm very proud to be a graduate and Hoosier by birth. One question for you. If you would have ever witnessed a national championship or would consider Indiana a blueblood program having won 5 of them, would you settle for what we have now? Afterall, we are on an Indiana basketball forum and not the Kelly School of Business.

Or just make him fly back with Bill Walton

Here's where I think you're not giving enough credit to where academics and athletics collide.   I heard Bob Knight give a talk once (not long ago), and someone asked him that very question...."what is the place of athletics within an institution of higher learning?"  He said - and I'll paraphrase - the two have to coexist with mutual understanding of the value of both.  When you think of Notre Dame, you don't generally think of the great school it is.  You think of the football team, which they've made movies about.  When you think of Michigan, you think of football.  When you think of Duke, you think of basketball.   And all are fine institutions.  He went on to ask the crowd to name famous alumni from Stanford.  The answers were predictable...Condaleeza Rice was first, but then...Tiger Woods and John Elway.  
 
The point is, if you travel the world and ask people what they think of when you say "Indiana University," the answer 90+% of the time is going to be "basketball" or something related to basketball.  That's just reality.  The men's basketball program is a very prominent window into the university, and gives IU a chance to promote itself, to sell itself on a stage with millions of people watching.   Not every school has what Indiana has...Purdue doesn't....they're known for engineering.  Same with Illinois.  Same with tons of other schools.   
 
I've said this a million different ways (and as mentioned, it's been discussed ad nauseum), but having the pulpit we do is one of the great things about IU Basketball, and something that makes us unique.  Sure, I'd be a proud Hoosier if we didn't have a basketball team.  Problem is.....we do.   And it's very, very visible, and a known entity worldwide.  Which is why it's sacred.  Which is why it's so damned important to people.   Which is why Tom Crean disgusts me as much as he does.   Never in my life have I seen a more undisciplined group of kids on and off the floor.  Never have I seen such incredibly poor leadership from the top down at an entity so important.  Wait...I have, but we don't need to make this a political thread.  McRobbie doesn't care about sports.  I think that's a very short-sighted approach, but I don't think he should have anything to do with this conversation.  Like it or not, athletics generate millions upon millions of dollars for every major university.  Indiana is no exception.   Mickey Maurer gave $35 million over 10 years for the law school.  Cindy Simon gave a lump sum of $40+ million for Assembly Hall.  That's the reality of the world, and whether or not anyone agrees with it doesn't change it.  Indiana Basketball is critically important.  Period.

Or just make him fly back with Bill Walton

Seeing how football is my favorite sport I'm fine with it making the switch haha

No he needs to go. No more band aids

sub Max for Morgan and RoJo for Harrison...and I'm right on board with ya!

Tommy 2-4 in Maui games Crean, please just go.  Please end the misery for both sides.  You're a terrible coach at this level and IU deserves better. 

When was the last time I can say I was more excited for an IU football game, then an IU basketball game? Or just a season in general?

Have been trying to stay quiet...but I can't anymore.   You really don't understand how this reflects on the program (which is supposed to be nationally elite) to donors, recruits, alumni, television networks, the university administration, and pretty much anyone who pays attention to college basketball?   I am truly without words to comprehend how anyone can just think nobody cares and this doesn't matter.  You are a crowd of one.  And you can stop trying to convince everyone else.   This matters at Indiana.  You either get that or you don't.  This kind of thing does not happen at other top programs; and after all of the other crap we've dealt with, it's one more problem, one more black eye, and one more piece of bad press.  I am simply stunned that doesn't register.

What I always thought IU Basketball's standards to be...
 
1) Represent the university with the utmost respect and class at the highest level. We claim to be a "world class" university. With such a visible representation of the university being the basketball team, we have to be one of the most respected programs in college basketball. Don't talk about it, just DO it,
 
2) Make NCAA Tournament every year. This is the academic equivalent of simply passing a class. The BARE minimum.
 
3) Down years consist of a 6th-8th place Big Ten finish. They should not happen much more than once every 4-5 years as the program should be stable enough to reload and compete at the highest level most years. We are located in the middle of a wonderful recruiting ground (Indiana, Michigan, Ohio, Illinois) that produces a couple dozen Top 100 level players every year. Recruiting should never be a problem.
 
4) Be at least a Big Ten championship contender most years. Top 4 in the conference should be expected most years. The university spends too much money on this program to expect any less.
 
5) Championships ARE attainable at IU. Especially Big Ten championships. If we go multiple years without truly contending for one, something is wrong.
 
A few more thoughts...
 
- Old Friend has been saying this for years, but apathy is setting in. It really is. There are so many "used to be" IU fans out there. And they're not just Knight loyalists. They want something to be proud of. Something they can relate to. We've had that momentarily over the last twenty years or so, but never consistently. My guess is that it will take some really BOLD moves for IU basketball to ever advance past it's current state of relevance. In the mean time, I'm afraid we're slowly drifting away into just another program.
 
Just my opinion.

yeah, I'm with you. Looks bad

What more can even be said at this point? Just keep bumping this thread after each game.

! I don't care how good JBJ is on offensive. The guy doesn't try ! He half assed dived on the ground just now.

Blackmon is easily my least favorite player on this team. Can we just call him Hollywood? I mean go against 2 guys and leave nick z standing wide open at the 3 line...