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Taking a break from looking at this site for a month because I have my Rangers and Knicks in the playoffs but after much contemplation and humility I just want to say…. FIRE MIKE WOODSON! 

Peace out homies. 

48 minutes ago, AKHoosier said:

Definitely. And look, I'm not going to provide examples, because we all know what the hot button issues are today. Plus it would derail the thread further and make things more heated than they already are.

But your last sentence is most poignant. Since we can't all have it our own way, just let schools educate children to teach them skills, and let parents be the ones to instill values. 

Instilling values is a mixed bag for me. I think that everyone well meaning has good values to distribute but at the same time I think it’s also important to let them be aware of other values because like it or not one day they’re going to be with people who are different. Plus we’re too busy looking at ourselves and have hard time understanding that a lot of people don’t have good parents or even parents in general.  God if I let my dad instill his values I would no joke probably would have been some kind of South American crime boss. Again one particular doesn’t necessarily fit the whole.  

But if you’re dead set of your child be only a certain way I guarantee you that the classroom has little impact on that, it’s probably the kids your child chooses to hang with.  

15 minutes ago, AKHoosier said:

Yeah that's ridiculous. 

You can't claim to have a firm grasp on every rural district in Indiana, or anywhere. You can only speak to your experience. 

I've had a kid in daycare for about a year now, and have already had to fight battles regarding some of the extreme curriculum and "values" taught to kids who are barely walking. Stuff that would be downright shocking to anyone with a pulse even 10 years ago. 

Trust me. If it's happening here, it's happening everywhere. 

Can u state what they are? U can DM if you feel comfortable. I won’t judge.

34 minutes ago, Golfman25 said:

Rejection of the founding principles.  For example, thinking that the USA is fundamentally "oppressive."  Don't want the thread locked, so I'll stop there. 

I understand your perspective. I think a lot of us honed into positions with no wiggle room. You know I'm very fortunate that I got to live many lives (poor/ wealthy, east coast/midwest  friends with so called "Liberal and conservative (god I hate lables) belief systems. " Through that I came to the opinion ( and know my thoughts are always adjustable) is that most policies or issues don't have definitive absolutes. Like the human individual there are layers to policies .  

I agree with you that we created a system which on the surface gives us and opportunity to change outcomes in policy if the majority so chooses. However I also believe that there are a lot of deep layered obstacles that hinder the opportunity to make very necessary changes that would benefit the whole population.  Layers upon layers. Again just my opinion. I appreciate you being honest. 

Just now, Golfman25 said:

Not wanting to tread into politics, suffice it to say that which is beyond the reasoned academic exploration.  Once you start getting into hatred for America, taxpayers tend to react negatively.  

Out of curiosity what do you define as hatred?  I'm curious because I wonder if people have become so "it's either this or else" mode that there really is no chance to improve (with infrastructure or health etc). 

1 hour ago, cthomas said:

I didn't say that the book was apolitical. I said it describes the path that led us to this point in the educational debate. There is a lot that is over the top in it and a lot that I don't necessarily agree with, but I learned a great deal that helps me understand the reason parent groups are upset with the content in their children's classrooms. I was a teacher a very long time ago so I have some interest in the debate. As others have said, this is complicated and, in today's world, people seem to prefer confrontation to communication and compromise.

I just don't think the teachers have that type of time to mold anything.Seriously overworked and underpaid position.  Just imagine taking care of 20 kids at the very least.  That's madness. My niece exhausts me after a couple of hours.  

35 minutes ago, Golfman25 said:

It wasn’t a vote of confidence or “support.”  If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice.  

Like our general elections some people don’t come to the voting booth. 

1 hour ago, IUCrazy2 said:

The lack of diversity of views is the problem I am complaining about.  That is THE issue with the faculty.  And the viewpoint that they have on most topics is out of step with the majority of the rest of the state.  Whitten is trying to thread the needle and they want to dump her EXACTLY because she was showing lack of conformity to the faculty. 

Personally I think it’s just picking and choosing. There are plenty of guest lectures and programs that speak on multiple issues. The Mathers Museum have had lectures on guns of the past ( Note not saying it’s conservative to support guns , just that it seems to be a stupid prevailing label), and there have been many prolife lectureships.  Personally I’m in favor of letting it all out and hope we have an educated populace that at least hears all the information, then go make a judgment, with hopefully the humility to adapt. All of it, or none of it. 

That’s what IU was founded on.  I had a conversation with Herman B Wells before he passed and that was the vision he held when we talked. For people who don’t know. Herman B Wells was the university president that kind of help ignite the university to be nationally respected and recognized. During WW2 he had an active part in bringing some the smartest scientists and thinkers in Europe to teach our students. People who were Jewish (at the time we did not want as country (in general) and did a lot of at the time controversial studies.  That’s the issue I have with you. Yes those are specific topics but it’s the price you pay to have people come in and talk about your topics of interest. They’re talked about, it’s just not publicized. 

For those frustrated , this is my last post on the topic.

1 hour ago, IUCrazy2 said:

Tl/Dr:  The faculty is incapable of reading the room which makes their input a net negative on those topics.

 

Perhaps having the faculty too involved in the administrative side of things is part of the issue.  Let's just get down to brass tacks.  Bloomington and the Indiana faculty likely hold views closer to San Francisco than (pick almost anywhere in this state).  Whitten has to balance the idea that a whole bunch of people in this state aren't super interested in funding some of the absolute nonsense that passes as "scholarship" and "academic freedom" these days.  For each of those items, it was better for the school to not let the faculty be involved.

The professor lied about using facilities to promote a group that is out of step with the sensibilities of this state.  It also happened at a time where Palestinian support movements on campus were basically nothing but anti-semitic rants that were harassing Jewish students and celebrating the televised murder of Israeli civilians.  There was a reason he lied about the event and the lie meant he should be punished.

Related to that, having a person with similar views at a similar time displaying art in the Eskanazi art center was probably a good idea to 86 as well.  The background of the multimillion dollar donor Eskanazis would lead one to believe that they would probably not appreciate someone who basically promotes killing the jews having their art displayed all over a center with their name on it.  The donor wins over the lefty faculty on that.  Sorry.

Kinsey is a blight on the school.  We can pull Jordan's name off of everything because of his views but still support the extremely questionable stuff Kinsey did with children.  ---- that guy and everything to do with him. 

On the last, she did go and oppose the bill.  She doesn't have a vote in government though so don't know what they expected.  Those people are her boss and hold the purse strings so again, being more militant like the faculty wanted is just cutting off your nose to spite your face.  Furthermore, the fact that the University is so wildly out of step with the rest of the state on a whole host of topics is a big reason why people are supportive of bills like that in the first place.  As someone who is politically on the other side of what is the norm in Bloomington and the school in particular, it gets noticed how hostile they are to people who have opinions like me, which are the dominate opinions in this state at the moment.  I think they waste money on stupid BS and it is a disservice to educating people in this state.  You get the perception that the school looks down its nose at the state it is in and that is part of what chases kids out of state after spending 4 years there.

Are u making this about yourself? Look the issues the professors stated down mean squat to me because they’re not issues that greatly impact the whole but it’s important that diversified points of view should be expressed. It’s how we get better. We gather the information and hopefully through study and humility we use the data or not to better ourselves. Now I agree that the issues stated above should really not have a big impact on Whitten but San Francisco? 

Don’t get why it’s necessary to put broad labels on a group of people.  And for the record I have this type of same complaint with the so called “other side” when people think they have a right to be haughty over another segment of the population. I’m firm believer that  all information should be out but again the decision is yours and yours alone to see how you want to move forward. Honestly have no clue how we move forward as a people when we’re too busy putting labels on each other. 

Unfortunately I'm out of state but I wonder if I buy season tickets (2) if they could distribute them to other fans. Or maybe I should just write a check to women's basketball. 

93%!!!!   that's more clear cut than the "are you happy with Coach Mike Woodson" poll.  

41 minutes ago, Home Jersey said:

Not to mention... Mackenzie Mgbako is going to be a lights out shooter next year. I feel pretty confident saying that. 

I think he will be 35%+ on hopefully pretty high volume. 40%+ on the same volume as this year. But hopefully the offense is a little different. I'll say... for all the worries about shooting, which are absolutely valid/legitimate, my bigger concern is defense/rebounding. 

Yeah this is fair. I hope after a year of experience he just get's more confident and shoots so well that it gives the big men more space to operate with. 

4 minutes ago, HoosierHoopster said:

Wasn’t sure where to put this but maybe somewhat related to this thread—

IU Bloomington faculty have set up a no confidence vote against President Whitten and 2 top administrators to be voted on tomorrow (Monday).

U got a line. Wonder where this stems from.

Let's go Knicks!!!!!!!!!!

3 minutes ago, BtownStrength said:

How the Pacers fans feeling about the series againt the Bucks? 

As a Knicks fan I think u guys can beat them. They lost their defensive edge when they fired their manager.  

5 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

Unnecessary added words to the overall point you were trying to make which was a nice assessment of the guard situation last year 

See what I mean? Back handed insults. First sentence perfectly fine.

1 hour ago, Chris007 said:

Anyone know who this is? NGW

https://x.com/hoosier7681/status/1779294189588517030?s=46&t=OgfEPIK-eQquPk7YQfYlaA

To be fair, I think it can be anyone at this point.  Sadly I think a lot of people think they have to choose a side.  The "True Fans" speech kind threw a match into a gas station.   I just want my program back to being good. If somehow Woodson changes all of our addressed concerns and there's a light at the end of the tunnel, I would welcome it with open arms. Even at face of people telling me how stupid I was to question his coaching and approach to recruiting.  

4 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

Start a new thread on how things can improve to see if you can have an articulate dialogue from people that want to do that.  Probably not going to get that in here.  If people want to be miserable for the next 11 months that’s their choice. Looking for a good debate and discussion just isn’t going to happen in this thread doesn’t mean it can’t happen in another one 

it's not the debate that's annoying, it's the back handed insults.  Stuhoo argues but he does so in good faith.

1 minute ago, AH1971 said:

The one year IU had a single good guard they were a top 30 offense.

But yeah, Mike Woodson.

Again I guess it's a debate of what we expect out of the program. You say top 30, I say that's not good enough.  Truth be told I'm more concerned about the defense.  I'll say this. If the perimeter defense is better guarded then my hopes are high that we'll have an ok season. 

Just now, Chris007 said:

Yes it does.

Welp it’s too bad the Knicks will delay our dreams coming true…

Just now, Chris007 said:

I don’t think that was the plan all along. But I think it’s been said to keep contacting me and we’ll see if the time is right.

I know it’s still a very long shot but do you think the people who back Woodson would also jump at the opportunity to get him?

4 minutes ago, Trish said:

If Woodson lands all these portal kids, he’s going to win off a lot of fans. Dolson will be happy. But the fit? I’m not buying it. He continues to pursue kids that don’t solve the biggest issue; shooting. 
 

 

That and teaching the kids to guard the perimeter.  

2 minutes ago, Hoosier DaDa said:

A Woodson coach Knicks team could win it all right??? Woodson to the Knicks...Celtics lose...Stevens frustrated...We still don't have a coach :(

For the first time in 40 years we actually have good management that won't fall for that trick. Cmon guys you all secretly want  OG Anunoby to get his well deserved ring.... 

1 hour ago, IH8PU said:

I've got a problem of sorts. I like Dusty May and Mark Pope, coaches of two schools I hate with a passion. 

If they destroy us you think dilemma will be resolved?

1 minute ago, Chris007 said:

Knicks can't get by the Pacers :-)

hmmmmm.....(remember Banksy, this is a Indiana board, don't rock the boat. Just give him a hmmmmm).