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Demo

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    Demo reacted to Old Friend in (2021) PG Khristian Lander to INDIANA (IN 2020!)   
    I'll yin to your yang a little.   In a prior thread, most people who replied agreed that a better strategy at Indiana was "get old and stay old."  The talent differential of a 4* kid who is a senior in college vs. a 5* kid who's a freshman in college is negligible at worst, and favors the older, more experienced player at best.
    I have no interest and I don't think Archie has an interest in recruiting kids who are NBA bound before they ever hit college campuses.  The pressure of that - a need to be successful with multiple top kids every year - is not bearable for any coach nor program who's not doing that successfully already.   Recruiting those players wouldn't be successful at Eastern Wyoming any more than it would be at Indiana.
    My bigger point is this.  Archie Miller has landed 2 consecutive Indiana Mr. Basketball winners (Langford and Jackson-Davis), and has likely landed a 3rd as I think Leal is the one to beat this season if not Galloway).   He landed Ohio's Mr. Basketball a year ago.  His list of recruits is full of 4* players...all of whom look to be at least contenders at Indiana - meaning we might land them.   
    Indiana plays in a different world than Duke.  Than Kentucky.  I'm not sure I agree with North Carolina because they tend to have more experienced players; and I think Indiana will soon be on that level.   I don't think Archie wants to go down a path of having to land several top-tier recruits year in and year out.  That's one formula, but I don't think that's Indiana's formula.  Virginia, Michigan State, Michigan, Wisconsin, and others have shown the OTHER formula - recruit good players who stay, get old and stay old - works just as well if not better in some cases.  Texas Tech had a shot last season and they didn't have a single top 100 recruit.  What they DID have?  Really smart basketball players; experience; length; depth; shooters; and good defenders.  31-7.   But...statistically?   They were very average.  They weren't the best at anything except shooting % on both sides of the ball, which is a big one I realize.  They didn't dominate anything in their own conference, let alone nationally.  But....they were an absolute b!tch to play against because the pieces fit and they were able to play within Chris Beard's system and thrive in it.   I think Indiana is building something similar, and I think there's a reason many "top names" don't include Indiana on their list.  I'm not sure I really care very much.
    My point in that is building a program around older players makes the pieces fit on a more regular basis than trying to find immediate contributors year in and year out.   It took Archie maybe an extra year to get this right; and I think early on he was trying to recruit a different way than he is now.  I suspect you will all be very happy with Indiana's program if you'll just let it play out.   And thank me later.   =)
    So.....I guess I think it doesn't matter how some top tier recruits view Indiana.  5 years ago, Indiana sent 2 of the top 4 picks to the NBA draft.  Victor Oladipo by himself has made Indiana University cool again in the eyes of local college recruits, and I know that because I hear it relatively often.  IU is on their radar; and Archie is landing those players.  He is also having relative success outside the state, and is obviously attractive to very good players.  
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    Demo got a reaction from HoosierAloha in College Football Thread   
    Plummer with a Mayfieldesque shuffle pass int in the Purdue-Nebraska game. Then Martinez almost does the same thing on the next freaking play. Great stuff.
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    Demo got a reaction from Stuhoo in College Bball Thread   
    Love it. Though the Hardenesque blatant walk before the release is a little bit of a problem
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    Demo got a reaction from Stuhoo in RIP Brother CCGeneral   
    Ditto. What he brought to this board was exactly what I was looking for and really turned this into my community of choice. And anyone who loves IU the way I do is my brother.
    Thanks, bother, and RIP. 
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    Demo got a reaction from Stuhoo in RIP Brother CCGeneral   
    Ditto. What he brought to this board was exactly what I was looking for and really turned this into my community of choice. And anyone who loves IU the way I do is my brother.
    Thanks, bother, and RIP. 
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    Demo got a reaction from Stuhoo in RIP Brother CCGeneral   
    Ditto. What he brought to this board was exactly what I was looking for and really turned this into my community of choice. And anyone who loves IU the way I do is my brother.
    Thanks, bother, and RIP. 
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    Demo got a reaction from Stuhoo in RIP Brother CCGeneral   
    Ditto. What he brought to this board was exactly what I was looking for and really turned this into my community of choice. And anyone who loves IU the way I do is my brother.
    Thanks, bother, and RIP. 
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    Demo got a reaction from Stuhoo in RIP Brother CCGeneral   
    Ditto. What he brought to this board was exactly what I was looking for and really turned this into my community of choice. And anyone who loves IU the way I do is my brother.
    Thanks, bother, and RIP. 
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    Demo reacted to ElectricBoogaloo in RIP Brother CCGeneral   
    CCG was one of a kind. I started following Indiana basketball forums because of his recruiting news at the original Hoosier Sports Nation. I suspect I am not the only one. His influence helped bring together and grow this community of posters. He will be missed.
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    Demo reacted to WayneFleekHoosier in (2020) PG - Andre Curbelo   
    Seems like a good get. I worry slightly about Underwood getting momentum going. Illinois has the potential to be a strong B1G program. Some suspect thats happening.

    I think Dosunmu and that Georgi guy form a pretty dynamic duo. Cockburn or whatever is an imposing addition.





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    Demo reacted to KingPG21 in 2021-2022 NBA Thread   
    So the Pacers have sucked so far this year. That being said Brogdon is worth every penny so far. Can't wait to watch him with Vic
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    Demo got a reaction from WayneFleekHoosier in 2021-2022 NBA Thread   
    Denver finally plays Michael Porter Jr last night. Scores 15 in 20 mins and is the only Nugget with a positive plus/minus. Wonder if Malone will make any effort at all to find minutes for 1 of the most physically gifted kids on the planet. Rhetorical question. He won’t.
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    Demo reacted to Class of '66 Old Fart in (2020) PG - Andre Curbelo   
    Committed to Illinois.
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    Demo reacted to Chris007 in (2020) PF/C - Dawson Garcia to Marquette   
    I'm not at 100% yet but I'm getting close to saying He'll be a Hoosier. 
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    Demo got a reaction from coonhounds in (2020) PF/C - Dawson Garcia to Marquette   
    The first 26 responses to his tweet were IU mentions. Yeah, 26.
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    Demo got a reaction from HoosierAloha in (2020) PF/C - Dawson Garcia to Marquette   
    This is a really good piece of video. Dainja is a top 50ish kid going to Baylor and he gives Garcia all he wants. Not just a highlight clip, shows some stuff that Garcia will need to work on, particularly lateral movement and core strength. But, man, is he a skilled kid. At 1:15 he takes a rebound and throws a full court outlet dead on the money with his off hand. Don’t see that every day. Shows range, handle, can pass off the dribble. Love him.
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    Demo got a reaction from HoosierAloha in (2020) PF/C - Dawson Garcia to Marquette   
    This is a really good piece of video. Dainja is a top 50ish kid going to Baylor and he gives Garcia all he wants. Not just a highlight clip, shows some stuff that Garcia will need to work on, particularly lateral movement and core strength. But, man, is he a skilled kid. At 1:15 he takes a rebound and throws a full court outlet dead on the money with his off hand. Don’t see that every day. Shows range, handle, can pass off the dribble. Love him.
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    Demo reacted to ArchieNoMo in (2020) PF/C - Dawson Garcia to Marquette   
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    Demo reacted to Uspshoosier in College Bball Thread   
    Opening Saturday/Sunday of 19-20 college hoops season:

    San Diego State at BYU
    Oklahoma/Minnesota (neutral)
    Iowa State at Oregon State
    Texas at Purdue
    Rhode Island at Maryland
    Boise State at Oregon
    FSU at Florida
    UC Santa Barbara at UCLA
    Illinois at Arizona

    Here. We. Go.
    Jon Rothstein


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    Demo got a reaction from Free Jurkin! in Secret Scrimmage Information   
    Usually skip conversations like this one, but sometimes it’s just unavoidable. Philosophically, Archie has never tripped my trigger. Have always preferred 2 guard fronts, motion and pace offensively and aggressive denials and forcing iso’s defensively. And Archie is obviously a pack line guy who runs pretty conventional ball screen stuff on offense. He’s a pretty connect the dots coach. Can’t remember many, or really any, times in the last couple of years where I ran a play back because something Archie ran made me think “woah, what was that?” He’s no Beilein or Randy Bennett or McKillop or one of the elite x’s and o’s guys. At least not to me.
    But to suggest that he can’t coach offense is just dumb. If what you run gets the ball where you want it and creates an opportunity you’re happy with, then what you ran worked. What the player does with it is on the player. They were pretty successful getting the ball to the block for Morgan or Davis and getting it to Langford in attacking spots. The fact that teams could just clog or double off of guys like Smith or McRoberts isn’t a function of bad offense, it’s a function of bad offensive players. This team probably would have been better offensively with Beilein or Randy Bennett, but they wouldn’t have been good. 
    This team will be an interesting test for Miller. I like this team’s offensive potential better than most on here. I think there is some interesting versatility and the potential to create a lot of favorable matchups if Archie is willing to get creative and stretch a bit. 
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    Demo got a reaction from Free Jurkin! in Secret Scrimmage Information   
    Usually skip conversations like this one, but sometimes it’s just unavoidable. Philosophically, Archie has never tripped my trigger. Have always preferred 2 guard fronts, motion and pace offensively and aggressive denials and forcing iso’s defensively. And Archie is obviously a pack line guy who runs pretty conventional ball screen stuff on offense. He’s a pretty connect the dots coach. Can’t remember many, or really any, times in the last couple of years where I ran a play back because something Archie ran made me think “woah, what was that?” He’s no Beilein or Randy Bennett or McKillop or one of the elite x’s and o’s guys. At least not to me.
    But to suggest that he can’t coach offense is just dumb. If what you run gets the ball where you want it and creates an opportunity you’re happy with, then what you ran worked. What the player does with it is on the player. They were pretty successful getting the ball to the block for Morgan or Davis and getting it to Langford in attacking spots. The fact that teams could just clog or double off of guys like Smith or McRoberts isn’t a function of bad offense, it’s a function of bad offensive players. This team probably would have been better offensively with Beilein or Randy Bennett, but they wouldn’t have been good. 
    This team will be an interesting test for Miller. I like this team’s offensive potential better than most on here. I think there is some interesting versatility and the potential to create a lot of favorable matchups if Archie is willing to get creative and stretch a bit. 
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    Demo got a reaction from Free Jurkin! in Secret Scrimmage Information   
    Usually skip conversations like this one, but sometimes it’s just unavoidable. Philosophically, Archie has never tripped my trigger. Have always preferred 2 guard fronts, motion and pace offensively and aggressive denials and forcing iso’s defensively. And Archie is obviously a pack line guy who runs pretty conventional ball screen stuff on offense. He’s a pretty connect the dots coach. Can’t remember many, or really any, times in the last couple of years where I ran a play back because something Archie ran made me think “woah, what was that?” He’s no Beilein or Randy Bennett or McKillop or one of the elite x’s and o’s guys. At least not to me.
    But to suggest that he can’t coach offense is just dumb. If what you run gets the ball where you want it and creates an opportunity you’re happy with, then what you ran worked. What the player does with it is on the player. They were pretty successful getting the ball to the block for Morgan or Davis and getting it to Langford in attacking spots. The fact that teams could just clog or double off of guys like Smith or McRoberts isn’t a function of bad offense, it’s a function of bad offensive players. This team probably would have been better offensively with Beilein or Randy Bennett, but they wouldn’t have been good. 
    This team will be an interesting test for Miller. I like this team’s offensive potential better than most on here. I think there is some interesting versatility and the potential to create a lot of favorable matchups if Archie is willing to get creative and stretch a bit. 
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    Demo got a reaction from Free Jurkin! in Secret Scrimmage Information   
    Usually skip conversations like this one, but sometimes it’s just unavoidable. Philosophically, Archie has never tripped my trigger. Have always preferred 2 guard fronts, motion and pace offensively and aggressive denials and forcing iso’s defensively. And Archie is obviously a pack line guy who runs pretty conventional ball screen stuff on offense. He’s a pretty connect the dots coach. Can’t remember many, or really any, times in the last couple of years where I ran a play back because something Archie ran made me think “woah, what was that?” He’s no Beilein or Randy Bennett or McKillop or one of the elite x’s and o’s guys. At least not to me.
    But to suggest that he can’t coach offense is just dumb. If what you run gets the ball where you want it and creates an opportunity you’re happy with, then what you ran worked. What the player does with it is on the player. They were pretty successful getting the ball to the block for Morgan or Davis and getting it to Langford in attacking spots. The fact that teams could just clog or double off of guys like Smith or McRoberts isn’t a function of bad offense, it’s a function of bad offensive players. This team probably would have been better offensively with Beilein or Randy Bennett, but they wouldn’t have been good. 
    This team will be an interesting test for Miller. I like this team’s offensive potential better than most on here. I think there is some interesting versatility and the potential to create a lot of favorable matchups if Archie is willing to get creative and stretch a bit. 
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    Demo got a reaction from Free Jurkin! in Secret Scrimmage Information   
    Usually skip conversations like this one, but sometimes it’s just unavoidable. Philosophically, Archie has never tripped my trigger. Have always preferred 2 guard fronts, motion and pace offensively and aggressive denials and forcing iso’s defensively. And Archie is obviously a pack line guy who runs pretty conventional ball screen stuff on offense. He’s a pretty connect the dots coach. Can’t remember many, or really any, times in the last couple of years where I ran a play back because something Archie ran made me think “woah, what was that?” He’s no Beilein or Randy Bennett or McKillop or one of the elite x’s and o’s guys. At least not to me.
    But to suggest that he can’t coach offense is just dumb. If what you run gets the ball where you want it and creates an opportunity you’re happy with, then what you ran worked. What the player does with it is on the player. They were pretty successful getting the ball to the block for Morgan or Davis and getting it to Langford in attacking spots. The fact that teams could just clog or double off of guys like Smith or McRoberts isn’t a function of bad offense, it’s a function of bad offensive players. This team probably would have been better offensively with Beilein or Randy Bennett, but they wouldn’t have been good. 
    This team will be an interesting test for Miller. I like this team’s offensive potential better than most on here. I think there is some interesting versatility and the potential to create a lot of favorable matchups if Archie is willing to get creative and stretch a bit. 
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    Demo got a reaction from Free Jurkin! in Secret Scrimmage Information   
    Usually skip conversations like this one, but sometimes it’s just unavoidable. Philosophically, Archie has never tripped my trigger. Have always preferred 2 guard fronts, motion and pace offensively and aggressive denials and forcing iso’s defensively. And Archie is obviously a pack line guy who runs pretty conventional ball screen stuff on offense. He’s a pretty connect the dots coach. Can’t remember many, or really any, times in the last couple of years where I ran a play back because something Archie ran made me think “woah, what was that?” He’s no Beilein or Randy Bennett or McKillop or one of the elite x’s and o’s guys. At least not to me.
    But to suggest that he can’t coach offense is just dumb. If what you run gets the ball where you want it and creates an opportunity you’re happy with, then what you ran worked. What the player does with it is on the player. They were pretty successful getting the ball to the block for Morgan or Davis and getting it to Langford in attacking spots. The fact that teams could just clog or double off of guys like Smith or McRoberts isn’t a function of bad offense, it’s a function of bad offensive players. This team probably would have been better offensively with Beilein or Randy Bennett, but they wouldn’t have been good. 
    This team will be an interesting test for Miller. I like this team’s offensive potential better than most on here. I think there is some interesting versatility and the potential to create a lot of favorable matchups if Archie is willing to get creative and stretch a bit. 
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