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He’s a kid defending his brother. Let’s be adults about this and give him a break.

I honestly didnt think he could be this bad.

I'm sad that this thread exists. I was very vocal about how bad Archie would be as a coach here. I took heat for it, but I could clearly see how bad he would be. For his first couple years here, I couldn't wait until it was over. I couldn't wait to be vindicated. I couldn't wait to tell people how brilliant I am when it comes to picking the IU coach and they were idiots. Now that everybody has realized it, I don't feel proud. I feel sad. I hate where we are. I hate the results Archie has produced. I was right on Archie, but that doesn't mean I'll be right on the next coach. Many posters here were wrong on Archie, but that doesn't mean they'll be wrong on the next one. We just need a fresh start. We need solidarity. Archie must go.

Indiana got blown out by Indiana State, IPFW, Nebraska and Rutgers by a total of 57 points in his first season. Those losses are inexcusable and had he won those, which we weren’t really close in doing, that’s 20 wins and we are a shoe in for the NIT and likely in the tourney. He had plenty of head scratching blow out losses in year two as well. Those both should have been 20 win seasons. You can’t ditch work on Monday and then show up on Tuesday and when your getting fired say “hey, I at least showed up today, so that’s progress”. When your starting at a baseline of squat, progress argument is moot. and at least for me, had he made the tourney in each of his first 3 seasons then being a bubble team in year 4 wouldn’t have me in the “fire him” camp. If your worst year is “bubble” I can deal with that

If I were inclined to make a snarky comment -- has Archie?

Dan Dakich does PR like Indiana basketball does general game strategy. Ugly, muddy, and makes most that follow it cringe a lot!

I actually like dakich but what I find outrageous that he has said in the last couple games was knight is the only one who cares about the undefeated streak and is getting his vodoo dolls out ignoring the fact that knight probably has zero clue what is even going on this season. The other outrageous thing is that he told knight while he was a assistant to get in the refs ear to change the game lol. We all know knight would have smacked him in the head if he said any such thing to him. He was the general he isn't listening to one of his former players he let pretend to be a assistant Sent from my SM-G960U using Tapatalk

Apathy is at an all-time high. I know people who used to watch the games religiously that just can't do it anymore. The buyout might seem like a lot, but keeping Miller for another year just to reduce it is only going to result in more ugly basketball and more fans moving on to their new post-Covid hobbies. It's like not getting vaccinated because you're afraid of the side effects. The side effects, or in this case, the buyout, are preferable to getting the disease itself (more Archie Miller basketball and more apathy toward the program).

This is more than message board and fan frustration. When the Indianapolis Star runs this headline it is beyond crazy fan expectations. A week or so ago Doyle also wrote a negative piece on Archie. he has lost the media as well as the fans

Just watched the game. We suck Archie needs fired now(won't happen) That is all Sent from my SM-G975U using Tapatalk

I will say this since our conversation last year on this topic for me Archie has gotten leapfrogged by some coaches I had behind him last year.

Anyone know why Geronimo didn’t play? Could he not have taken a shot at stopping Henry? No one else could stay in front.

it sounds like the other in-state NCAA tournament sites are putting the cap on attendance at 25% but IU is putting it at 500 people maybe they'll use COVID as a pretext to do something similar next season...to keep things "contained"

Unfortunately, we are stuck with CAM until April 1, 2022 AT MINIMUM!! Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners

While you may be right that the wrong hire is the end of IU basketball. But honestly, if IU basketball is over then it died 4 years ago in Creans last season. Archie hasn’t risen the program up. If a new coach comes in and it’s more of the same mediocrity or worse, seats will still be empty. The only thing to get IU basketball back is to win and win consistently. I don’t care about a name coach. I just want the right coach. Whoever that may be. If it’s Archie turning it around next year fantastic. If it’s Alford, I don’t care. Matta, fantastic. Just win baby.

The two games vs Iowa ;) In a general note, great coaches are on all levels. A high school, NAIA, or JUCO coach could very well succeed at IU. The problem we have at hand now is that we've been so bad since CTC's last year that the fanbase is UPSET. Archie is constantly trending on Twitter whenever IU loses, but never win IU wins. We have the IU homers wanting Steve, we have the fantasy dreamers (like me) who demand Brad Stevens, hell we even have fans asking for Sampson to come back. If we hire a no name, I think we're losing the fan base even more. There will be casual fans that say "anyone" is better than Archie. However, if IU is indeed still a "great" job then we should have no problem making a big hire. I'm on the other end of things saying IU isn't that great of a job and I find it hard to believe we'll find the right guy. A no name who doesn't do as great as Archie may very well be the end of IU basketball. That worries me. Scott Dolson will have the longest two years of his life, 2020 - 2022, with the amount of pressure on the IU basketball program. His career will unfortunately be decided based off this hire alone. A little unfair on his end but it's the truth. As Mike Davis once said I believe "Help is on the way" but is it?

It's all about the Benjamin's. I don't think they will pay it this year because of covid. Yes I know it can be paid over years. That 6.5 million they will be saving by waiting until next year, can help the Athletic Department in other areas. I'm not arguing they should wait. I want him gone. I just believe that could be their thought process. I hope I'm proven wrong. Sent from my SM-G975U using Tapatalk

He said that at the beginning of the season tjd was all about getting his and not being team oriented but now he was starting to be about the team and not just getting his Sent from my SM-G960U using Tapatalk

And that's Rutgers basketball, not Indiana. That makes Archies time here even more embarrassing. Indiana basketball is supposed to be like priceless art.

Totally forgot the women opened their season tonight. Northwestern scored at 85:07 and wins 1-0. IU NW Shots: 6 6 SOG: 4 6 Saves: 5 4 Corners: 4 7 Fouls: 11 7

The situation is getting depressing and I don't see a lot of good and realistic options to get the program on an upward trajectory right now. I looked back to my top 5 list in this thread from just January 15th and I don't know if any of those guys are viable at this point. Oats just got a big extension with a big buyout, Collins is on a big losing streak for the second year in a row, not sure if Woodson makes sense, who knows how long Donovan will be with the Bulls, and Beilein would be 69 assuming we wait until after Archie's buyout drops. I love the idea of Matta provided he is healthy and willing to do the Big Ten coaching grind again. At minimum it sounds like he has turned down opportunities with Georgia and Wichita St but I think he would give a lot of consideration if IU called. That's the only option giving me hope at this point.

I see alot of archie talk in game thread probably belongs here i keep hoping archie can succeed but today even more damage was done to that. I really am done we have better talent than our record is showing imo. I mean Today along with many others was just beyond ridiculous. I literally will take anybody else at this point. I have had it with this kind of stuff. Who worst coach in this league is I don't know but this is indiana and year 4 this in unacceptable. Sent from my SM-G960U using Tapatalk

What a shame that an IU coach is in the conversation with these. And while I do agree that Turgeon underperforms, he has a 1st place Big Ten finish, two 2nds and a 3rd. Archie has nothing positive on his resume.

I am sure all great teams deal with that but on that note we deal with it but our team is opposite of great. Disappointing Sent from my SM-G960U using Tapatalk

Yeah but I’m sure there hasn’t been a drop in basketball IQ. Sometimes a change of perspective with some time on the outside of a situation allows someone to assess things differently and make changes for the better. Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners mobile app