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(2019) SF Keion Brooks Jr. to Kentucky

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20 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

 

They're okay with it until their kid is sitting on the bench during crunch time for multiple games in a row, and other kids are either mucking things up or being interviewed on ESPN, while their kid sits and steams.

That happens at all schools, but it's probably worse when the kid in question is a borderline five star. 

 

I wonder if KB Senior uses twitter? Somehow it wouldn't surprise me if some griping tweets popup during the upcoming season.

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Wow. Hopefully the duffel bag was full. Lol

I guess it’s platoon time again.


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Agreed. Even if he didn’t want IU you gotta think MSU if all things equal wasn’t the best choice.


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Keion who? Kid made his bed with UK. I'm sure he will have fun playing 2nd fiddle. Now we all know why UK fans were literally tweeting Keion not to come. They also don't know how to spell his name. It's a shame, he could've been special.

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15 minutes ago, Hoosier987 said:

Keion who? Kid made his bed with UK. I'm sure he will have fun playing 2nd fiddle. Now we all know why UK fans were literally tweeting Keion not to come. They also don't know how to spell his name. It's a shame, he could've been special.

He really could have been special. Still can be-look at Charles Matthews. Imagine if a kid like Gary Harris, Yogi or Troy Williams goes to UK. They probably aren't as good of a player as they were at IU or Michigan State. 

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To be honest I can’t wait till we can recruit kids who want to come here and know they have to compete for any time the get. I look forward to times when we don’t say things like he could get a lot of time here.

I know that is who we are now but hopefully soon that changes.




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21 minutes ago, 8bucks said:

To be honest I can’t wait till we can recruit kids who want to come here and know they have to compete for any time the get. I look forward to times when we don’t say things like he could get a lot of time here.

I know that is who we are now but hopefully soon that changes.




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We already have that -  a stable of top 150 players who haven't yet established themselves as rotation players, but will get a chance to compete for that right this season; Armaan Franklin, Race Thompson, Damezi Anderson, and Joey Brunk this coming year. 

The other seven are either top 50 players with baked-in expectations (TJD & Jerome Hunter), or are experienced and already have a rotation role (Al, Rob, Justin, DeRon, DeVonte). 

The problems we had last year were in the won/lost column, not in continuing to adjust the roster for class balance and competition; we're pretty good there.

 

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Bad decision for Brooks family. If momma wasn’t happy with IU fans when we were losing , how is she going to feel when UK fans are bashing her son because he isn’t good enough etc, etc?

 

 

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46 minutes ago, Alford Bailey said:

Doubt it will matter much. He will still be one and done.

Do people think he’s one and done because of his actual talent and NBA potential or because he and his family make it painfully obvious that this is the plan or bust?

Brooks has benefited greatly from having teammates like Stewart and TJD. Without those guys I’m very confident he would have been rated in the 40-55 range and considered a four year college prospect. He’s simply not that impressive in terms of creating his own shot and shooting in general. He was the beneficiary of having very talented low post teammates who attracted a TON of attention every time they touched the ball. He won’t start at UK nor am I convinced he would start at IU for that matter. I’d love to have him here but I don’t think he has a chance in hell to be a one and done and frankly he may be the most overrated prospect I’ve watched in a very long time. 

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Do people think he’s one and done because of his actual talent and NBA potential or because he and his family make it painfully obvious that this is the plan or bust?
Brooks has benefited greatly from having teammates like Stewart and TJD. Without those guys I’m very confident he would have been rated in the 40-55 range and considered a four year college prospect. He’s simply not that impressive in terms of creating his own shot and shooting in general. He was the beneficiary of having very talented low post teammates who attracted a TON of attention every time they touched the ball. He won’t start at UK nor am I convinced he would start at IU for that matter. I’d love to have him here but I don’t think he has a chance in hell to be a one and done and frankly he may be the most overrated prospect I’ve watched in a very long time. 

Wow, entitled to your opinion but seems like a bit of a hot take vs reality. The notion that he may not even start at IU is one we will never know for 100% but was probably 99.99% sure to be a starter. He’s a talent and one we would have enjoyed at IU, can’t agree with his decision but respect it


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Do people think he’s one and done because of his actual talent and NBA potential or because he and his family make it painfully obvious that this is the plan or bust?
Brooks has benefited greatly from having teammates like Stewart and TJD. Without those guys I’m very confident he would have been rated in the 40-55 range and considered a four year college prospect. He’s simply not that impressive in terms of creating his own shot and shooting in general. He was the beneficiary of having very talented low post teammates who attracted a TON of attention every time they touched the ball. He won’t start at UK nor am I convinced he would start at IU for that matter. I’d love to have him here but I don’t think he has a chance in hell to be a one and done and frankly he may be the most overrated prospect I’ve watched in a very long time. 

I sure hope you have watched him around 10 times or more. In person, and at different events. Where did you watch him play in person.


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7 minutes ago, MikeRoberts said:


Wow, entitled to your opinion but seems like a bit of a hot take vs reality. The notion that he may not even start at IU is one we will never know for 100% but was probably 99.99% sure to be a starter. He’s a talent and one we would have enjoyed at IU, can’t agree with his decision but respect it


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Phin, TJD, Green are all starters next year. If Hunter is healthy and the player everyone says he is then he’s starting which leaves the 5 spot open for Davis/Brunk. I didn’t say he wouldn’t start at IU but I’m in no way convinced he would. A case could be made to move TJD to the 5 and let Brooks start at the 4 but he wants to play the 3 and he isn’t the shooter Hunter is so it would be Hunter’s job to lose. 99% Brooks is a starter on IU’s squad is in my opinion a much hotter take than my comment. 

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Two guards will start for sure, and they’ll come from Rob, Al, and DeVonte.

He would have had to beat out two of DeRon, TJD, Smith, and Hunter to start at IU.

Likely, but not certain by any means; especially when you consider that the two most likely he’d have beat out in the eyes of most are Smith and DeRon, which would have left us with an all freshman front line.

 

 

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We already have that -  a stable of top 150 players who haven't yet established themselves as rotation players, but will get a chance to compete for that right this season; Armaan Franklin, Race Thompson, Damezi Anderson, and Joey Brunk this coming year. 
The other seven are either top 50 players with baked-in expectations (TJD & Jerome Hunter), or are experienced and already have a rotation role (Al, Rob, Justin, DeRon, DeVonte). 
The problems we had last year were in the won/lost column, not in continuing to adjust the roster for class balance and competition; we're pretty good there.
 

Come on. The stable of players we have are not at the same level as guys like Brooks. A few players maybe but one of them has significant medical hurdles yet to clear. I think some can be really good and they will benefit from competition but they are not at his level.

My argument is not about bashing our players but the fans who criticize the selfish player but at the same time want to use immediate playing as one of our top draws. That argument alone is just as likely to attract a kid who is more interested in what he gets out of the program than what he earns.

Then a kid like Brooks decides to go to UK knowing he would not have guaranteed playing time and our same fans call his decision stupid or call his parents idiots.

I don’t know the Brooks family but if I had my choice between a kid who wanted to go to a program that is frequently a national contender but would have to fight for his minutes vs a kid who chose a struggling program because he could immediately get minutes I am going to choose the kid fighting for his minutes.


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6 minutes ago, 8bucks said:


Come on. The stable of players we have are not at the same level as guys like Brooks. A few players maybe but one of them has significant medical hurdles yet to clear. I think some can be really good and they will benefit from competition but they are not at his level.

My argument is not about bashing our players but the fans who criticize the selfish player but at the same time want to use immediate playing as one of our top draws. That argument alone is just as likely to attract a kid who is more interested in what he gets out of the program than what he earns.

Then a kid like Brooks decides to go to UK knowing he would not have guaranteed playing time and our same fans call his decision stupid or call his parents idiots.

I don’t know the Brooks family but if I had my choice between a kid who wanted to go to a program that is frequently a national contender but would have to fight for his minutes vs a kid who chose a struggling program because he could immediately get minutes I am going to choose the kid fighting for his minutes.


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Kentucky is quite literally the single, only school where a five star comes in and doesn’t expect to necessarily start right away; not even Duke or Kansas have that dynamic. 

And I am not a fan of the Kentucky model; it’s certainly not what it seemed you were advocating for either.

 

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5 minutes ago, 8bucks said:


Come on. The stable of players we have are not at the same level as guys like Brooks. A few players maybe but one of them has significant medical hurdles yet to clear. I think some can be really good and they will benefit from competition but they are not at his level.

My argument is not about bashing our players but the fans who criticize the selfish player but at the same time want to use immediate playing as one of our top draws. That argument alone is just as likely to attract a kid who is more interested in what he gets out of the program than what he earns.

Then a kid like Brooks decides to go to UK knowing he would not have guaranteed playing time and our same fans call his decision stupid or call his parents idiots.

I don’t know the Brooks family but if I had my choice between a kid who wanted to go to a program that is frequently a national contender but would have to fight for his minutes vs a kid who chose a struggling program because he could immediately get minutes I am going to choose the kid fighting for his minutes.


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You might be right and I’m rooting for Brooks to succeed. I’d have no problem admitting I was wrong if he turns out to be a better/more productive college player then I think he will be but I don’t see his game translating like others do. If I had to put money on it, I’d say his talent is much more in line with Troy Williams at this stage than a Kawhi Leonard or Miles Bridges (neither of whom were one and done but probably could have been). Can’t wait to see what he does though. 

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