Is it possible?

[Bigdaddy76 111]

Been kicking this around for a few days. Thought I would see what ya'll think. Is it possible that Tom Crean has been recruiting the wrong types of players. I mean, we all like to get the 4 and 5 star guys, but to date, CTC seems to have had much better success with the 2 to 3 star guys. Oladipo, Shehee, Wade and now it seems that Holt and Johnson are starting to shine. Although I think Johnson was a 4 star, if memory serves. I think it may be possible that the 4 and 5 star guys don't wanna listen to him. Whereas the lower tiered guys actually are willing to work to get better. Face it, we all know what most of the big name guys are about anyways. Its all NBA, and how much of this do I have to put up with before I am gone. Maybe I am way off base here, but time will tell.  

[KingPG21 6,512]

Rojo was a 4 star......

[CampHoosier 3,697]

I don't know maybe. Butler sucks though

[jmsgws 2,030]

A coach should always recruit the absolute best players for their systems.  Stars be darned.

[Classof81 6]

Yeah, got to agree to go after the best possible.  In these days of 1 and done and transfer cause I miss my girlfriend its the only defense you have.  I'm ok with T.C.'s recruiting ability and I'm thinking that having the Lottery players has got to help.  Wish he was better with x's and o's but overall it's a clean program, kids graduate, and the program (imho) is improving overall.

[MartintheMopMan 7,765]

Been kicking this around for a few days. Thought I would see what ya'll think. Is it possible that Tom Crean has been recruiting the wrong types of players. I mean, we all like to get the 4 and 5 star guys, but to date, CTC seems to have had much better success with the 2 to 3 star guys. Oladipo, Shehee, Wade and now it seems that Holt and Johnson are starting to shine. Although I think Johnson was a 4 star, if memory serves. I think it may be possible that the 4 and 5 star guys don't wanna listen to him. Whereas the lower tiered guys actually are willing to work to get better. Face it, we all know what most of the big name guys are about anyways. Its all NBA, and how much of this do I have to put up with before I am gone. Maybe I am way off base here, but time will tell.  

All due respect to... Sheehey and Oladipo. But, I'm not swayed.

Starting at 2 BC (before Cody)
5-stars: Cody Zeller

Noah Vonleh

JBJ

 

4-stars: Maurice Creek

Derek Elston

Jordy Hulls

Christian Watford

Yogi Ferrell (5 on Rivals)

HMP (5 on Rivals)

Jerm Who?llowell

Luke Fischer

Stanford Robinson

Troy Williams

ROJO

 

3-stars:

Bobby Cappuccino

Matt Roth

Bawa Muniru

Will Sheehey  

Vic Oladipo

Austin E.

Peter Jurkin

Ron Patterson

Collin Hartman

Devin Davis

Max Hoetzel

Holt

 

Below that:
April

Priller

[cthomas 5,930]

Depends on who you want to compete with. If competing with the Kentucky's of the world is what you want, then you better get the best players you possibly can.

[ALASKA HOOSIER 11,169]

I have this gut feeling that UK's revolving One and Done mentality is going to come back to bite them in the A$$!

I just wish the NCAA would do something for once.....and put a stop to this mess. I don't like how it is affecting CBB

[Bigdaddy76 111]

All due respect to... Sheehey and Oladipo. But, I'm not swayed.

Starting at 2 BC (before Cody)
5-stars: Cody Zeller

Noah Vonleh

JBJ

 

4-stars: Maurice Creek

Derek Elston

Jordy Hulls

Christian Watford

Yogi Ferrell (5 on Rivals)

HMP (5 on Rivals)

Jerm Who?llowell

Luke Fischer

Stanford Robinson

Troy Williams

ROJO

 

3-stars:

Bobby Cappuccino

Matt Roth

Bawa Muniru

Will Sheehey  

Vic Oladipo

Austin E.

Peter Jurkin

Ron Patterson

Collin Hartman

Devin Davis

Max Hoetzel

Holt

 

Below that:
April

Priller

I would agree a little. But look at the 4's that haven't worked out or were very average. Elston, Hollowell, Fisher, Robinson, HMP, Williams, IMHO is still up in the air, and Creek, due to injury. So he is off the table. That only leaves 4 of the 4 stars that had an impact. So maybe those other guys were just over rated coming out of H.S. You got 6 of the 3 stars that have contributed more than most people would think. That only leaves 4 of the 3 stars and 2 transfers. So it almost seems like Crean is able to communicate with the lower star players better. In the meantime HMP is starting to play better now too with minutes. So maybe it will all work out in the end....I sure hope so.

[MartintheMopMan 7,765]

I would agree a little. But look at the 4's that haven't worked out or were very average. Elston, Hollowell, Fisher, Robinson, HMP, Williams, IMHO is still up in the air, and Creek, due to injury. So he is off the table. That only leaves 4 of the 4 stars that had an impact. So maybe those other guys were just over rated coming out of H.S. You got 6 of the 3 stars that have contributed more than most people would think. That only leaves 4 of the 3 stars and 2 transfers. So it almost seems like Crean is able to communicate with the lower star players better. In the meantime HMP is starting to play better now too with minutes. So maybe it will all work out in the end....I sure hope so.

But you're evaluating them on totally different standards there. A 3-star just has to be not terrible to get your vote.

 

There is only one outstanding 3-star in my opinion, 1 good one, and then 3 (or 4 if I'm being generous) question marks. 

 

There are 3 really really really good 4-stars, 1 good one, 1 decent one, 2 question marks (who both have higher ceilings than the 3-star question marks)

 

1 outstanding 5-star, 1 really good, 1 decent (and would have been really really really good with the correct pieces around him)

I'd rather make a team out of our 4 and 5s than our 3s even if I had to give up Vic to do it.

[Bokkes 7]

Crean has proven that you can have 2 lottery picks and lose in sweet sixteen. History repeats itself

[ccgeneral 38,084]

Crean has proven that you can have 2 lottery picks and lose in sweet sixteen. History repeats itself

:ninja:  :assassin:

[OliviaPope40 6,299]

I have this gut feeling that UK's revolving One and Done mentality is going to come back to bite them in the A$$!

I just wish the NCAA would do something for once.....and put a stop to this mess. I don't like how it is affecting CBB

It is almost like Michigan back in the 90's when they had the fab five but they were not leaving early.

[GloryDays 5,890]

Crean has proven that you can have 2 lottery picks and lose in sweet sixteen. History repeats itself

Looks like your going to be history if you keep repeating yourself. :o

[Bigdaddy76 111]

But you're evaluating them on totally different standards there. A 3-star just has to be not terrible to get your vote.

 

There is only one outstanding 3-star in my opinion, 1 good one, and then 3 (or 4 if I'm being generous) question marks. 

 

There are 3 really really really good 4-stars, 1 good one, 1 decent one, 2 question marks (who both have higher ceilings than the 3-star question marks)

 

1 outstanding 5-star, 1 really good, 1 decent (and would have been really really really good with the correct pieces around him)

I'd rather make a team out of our 4 and 5s than our 3s even if I had to give up Vic to do it.

Yes I agree with you. I always want the best players possible. But what I was trying to say is that maybe Crean does a better job with players that he develops, rather than some that already have elite skill. I'll take all the 5 stars you can give me please, with a side of a couple 4's that need a little work. haha 

[rebelhoosier848891 9,588]

I am not really that concerned with the "STAR WARS" !

 

Just recruit the best players for our system.

 

Usually the best players are going to be 4 and 5 star players---but there will sometimes be those who have not played AAU ball ---or who are from overseas---- or in rural areas--- that fly under the radar.

 

Crean seems good at identifying them early and then developing some of them----I trust his eye for talent more than the stars someone has next to their name.  

 

Look at UK---they get almost exclusively high 4 and 5 star players and they have had their share of busts as well.

[rebelhoosier848891 9,588]

Now--despite my post above---anybody know of any 5 star bigs available for next year!  :wink:

[ALASKA HOOSIER 11,169]

Thon???????

[Hutch89 2,939]

Thon???????

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[ALASKA HOOSIER 11,169]

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