Should we stop recruiting five star centers?

[Hwy 1 2,053]

"Should" merely asks the question it doesn't relay intent.  

 

 

If that is not your intent then why did you ask that question? Why have you defended that argument? It was indeed your intent. 

[djsalway 4,161]

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Yeah, go ahead and dream. I'll join you :)

[Banksyrules 4,232]

If that is not your intent then why did you ask that question? Why have you defended that argument? It was indeed your intent. 

 

Because it's not a argument but an idea.  When you present ideas it's important to go back and forth to discuss the possibilities and when things don't work you reframe them to make the idea better sound.   

 

I presented the original idea. Realize it has some flaws and changed things up a bit.  You need people to break down the idea but I'm presenting arguments to counteract it. The original idea is just that and original idea.   Nothing is difinitive, you can't just state something and expect it to be perfect from the get go.  You redraft it, try to make it better.  You adjust. Normally in other jobs you have fellow employees who do this before stuff goes to the general public.  With IU basketball, I come to a board to discuss ideas, which I'm slowly realizing is a big mistake.  

 

I tried to present an idea that maybe Coach Crean could utilize to make his teams better.  If it doesn't work so be it.  Relax buddy, I think I've slowly decided that I'll only comment on other posts and keep my ideas to myself.  

[Hwy 1 2,053]

 

Because it's not a argument but an idea.  When you present ideas it's important to go back and forth to discuss the possibilities and when things don't work you reframe them to make the idea better sound.   

 

I presented the original idea. Realize it has some flaws and changed things up a bit.  You need people to break down the idea but I'm presenting arguments to counteract it. The original idea is just that and original idea.   Nothing is difinitive, you can't just state something and expect it to be perfect from the get go.  You redraft it, try to make it better.  You adjust. Normally in other jobs you have fellow employees who do this before stuff goes to the general public.  With IU basketball, I come to a board to discuss ideas, which I'm slowly realizing is a big mistake.  

 

I tried to present an idea that maybe Coach Crean could utilize to make his teams better.  If it doesn't work so be it.  Relax buddy, I think I've slowly decided that I'll only comment on other posts and keep my ideas to myself.  

 

 

 

So now it's a bad idea to discuss ideas because you met opposition to your idea. You went from saying don't recruit 5 star bigs, to backing off that stance to  saying you didn't say it to getting hurt because people disagreed and saying that discussion is a bad idea all in one thread.  Well, maybe it is a bad idea for you then. Defending a bad idea to the death is never a good idea. We all have bad ideas at times. Admit it and move on and everything will be just fine. Getting mad because not everyone gave you high fives for it isn't a good idea.  

[Scooter D 928]

While I agree with a lot of the poster, in that Crean should not stop recruting 5* big men, as I see it, at this point, what the program really needs more than anything else is stability.  We need a majority of the team staying 4 years (a la Wisconsin), and not all of the turnover that has been occuring.  The turnover just creates an unstable environment.  Those 4 years players would create a "backbone" so that if/when Crean did land a NV or a one-and-done type player, there would still be a nucleus there and players would be able to step in.   

 

I love the players that IU has, and I know that I am going to get some flak for this comment, but at this point, I would rather have a Wisconsin-type team than the circus show that IU has going on right now. 

[Banksyrules 4,232]

So now it's a bad idea to discuss ideas because you met opposition to your idea. You went from saying don't recruit 5 star bigs, to backing off that stance to  saying you didn't say it to getting hurt because people disagreed and saying that discussion is a bad idea all in one thread.  Well, maybe it is a bad idea for you then. Defending a bad idea to the death is never a good idea. We all have bad ideas at times. Admit it and move on and everything will be just fine. Getting mad because not everyone gave you high fives for it isn't a good idea.  

Others in this topic have provided the good counter argument for me to tweak the idea.  I still feel it holds water to a degree.  I just disagree with your points because I feel you are too busy fighting a so called argument then breaking down the idea and see the specific (not general)of why it would be a bad idea.

 

Thanks to these posters other then you, I realize we should still try to recruit five star centers, but to a certain basic degree where we don't lose out on great fundamentally sound big men who help our stud guards and small forwards flourish.   

[Hwy 1 2,053]

Others in this topic have provided the good counter argument for me to tweak the idea.  I still feel it holds water to a degree.  I just disagree with your points because I feel you are too busy fighting a so called argument then breaking down the idea and see the specific (not general)of why it would be a bad idea.

 

Thanks to these posters other then you, I realize we should still try to recruit five star centers, but to a certain basic degree where we don't lose out on great fundamentally sound big men who help our stud guards and small forwards flourish.   

 

 

I broke down your specific points and you got upset over it. So now it's my fault... ok

[JaybobHoosier 11,821]

Don't let it get any further guys. Both sides make valid points, but don't let it get personal. I see it heading that way very soon. Just let it be. <br /><br />Sent from my DROID4 using BtownBanners mobile app<br /><br />

[JSHoosier 19,568]

There are cases that go both ways on the how good a big needs to be.  UCONN won with bigs that could defend and rebound, but they might have had the quickest back court and the toughest guard in the country.  UK played for the title and had an absolute beast, and some other good players in the front court.

 

I still say we need a big that is at least serviceable on offense to keep the defense honest, otherwise a defense will play us different and make it harder for shooters.  I don't want to be playing 4 on 5 on offense every game.

[Townie 138]

But how much better have they become? One could easily argue that Zeller and Vonleh already inherited their basketball skills that propelled them to the draft.

Calipari has a bunch of one and done's but I don't think he developed them at all. However, he uses the power of money to get them. Still they did well in the lottery. Cousins is my example, great talent but if developed correctly he could have been a lot better in the pros.

I personally think Zeller and Vonleh improved a little but if I was being honest with myself I could see how they might develop better under different circumstances. Plus until the last six months of High School, Zeller wasn't ranked in the top twenty if memory serves me right.
Plus it kind of hurts us that Vonleh gave us some verbal jabs before he left. Other teams will use those quotes directly to downplay us.

I know it's cool to hate on Cal and all... But Cousins is absolutely doing work in the NBA and he improved drastically during his one year at UK (decision making and conditioning). He also reined in Anthony Davis and stopped him from trying to play like a guard every play. Oh just to clarify, it's probably more Cal's assistants coaching up the bigs, but it's still his staff right?

[Banksyrules 4,232]

I know it's cool to hate on Cal and all... But Cousins is absolutely doing work in the NBA and he improved drastically during his one year at UK (decision making and conditioning). He also reined in Anthony Davis and stopped him from trying to play like a guard every play. Oh just to clarify, it's probably more Cal's assistants coaching up the bigs, but it's still his staff right?

You bring up some good points Townie.  He made those improvements, but at the same time I feel their post moves were pretty much the same as when they left.  It's all relative, but I just feel that the moves you described would have been emphasized by any decent Coach.  Again it's just my opinion.

[JSHoosier 19,568]

You bring up some good points Townie.  He made those improvements, but at the same time I feel their post moves were pretty much the same as when they left.  It's all relative, but I just feel that the moves you described would have been emphasized by any decent Coach.  Again it's just my opinion.

I hate defending Cal, heaven knows I hate defending that scumbag, but Davis was showing new aspects to his game later in the year.

[Banksyrules 4,232]

I hate defending Cal, heaven knows I hate defending that scumbag, but Davis was showing new aspects to his game later in the year.

Okie Dokie.  

[Myrmidon76 614]

Not sure we should stop recruiting 5 star bigs, but it would seem they might stop considering us. Who would blame them, to be honest. We play in a league where the bigs "play in a phonebooth" (to borrow a phrase) and when we get them, we try to turn them away from that or we underutilize that skill. To be clear, I am not against expanding a players skill set, but I consider it poor judgment to turn that player away from the things that got them to Indiana or fail to enhance them. I also feel we are easily the poorest post feeding team I have ever watched. I can count on 1 hand the players who have exhibited the skill to feed the post properly in the last 6-7 years. I expected better from Coach McClain in this area when he was hired. Consider me underwhelmed.

[mdn82 25,456]

I know it's cool to hate on Cal and all... But Cousins is absolutely doing work in the NBA and he improved drastically during his one year at UK (decision making and conditioning). He also reined in Anthony Davis and stopped him from trying to play like a guard every play. Oh just to clarify, it's probably more Cal's assistants coaching up the bigs, but it's still his staff right?

 

I think Shaq has as much to do with Cousin's success than Cal.  If not more than.  He has been in the league for a while now and just now broke out.  Shaq has been crucial to getting his head on straight.  Talent has always been there.  Head has not.