Indiana Transfers Impact This Season

[IU Hoosier41 14,465]

Hollowell, Etherington & Marlin are transferring.  Many Hoosiers are up in arms that we have all three of these players leaving the program and are viewing this is a huge cause for concern.  I'm going to approach this from a basketball perspective about the impact those three made for Indiana this season.

 

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• Overall... I'm honestly not concerned that any of them are transferring based on their impact this season.
• Overall, the three of them combined added up to 14% of the minutes played by Indiana players this season.  
• In the last column, I compare the difference between their 14% playing time vs their percent contribution in each of the stat categories.  (For instance, Those three players combined for 14% of Indiana's playing time, but only accounted for 9% of the field goals made.  Therefore, I would argue Indiana wasn't as productive in those 14% of minutes when either of those players were in.)
• The only positive these players have from an Indiana impact persepctive relates to Turnovers.  While playing 14% of the time, they only produced 13% of Indiana's turnovers.  (So Indiana's turnover rate was down when any of these players were in the game).

 

Additionally, Stat Sheet tracks "Clutch Minutes" which are defined as "Less than 5 minutes to go in the 2nd half or OT, neither team ahead by more than 5 points."

 

Here are how many Clutch Minutes those three played this season:

• Hollowell - 5 minutes
• Etherington -  7 minutes
• Marlin - 8 Seconds

For reference, Yogi played 41.5 minutes.   I don't think we lost much experience either.

 

This is a macro look at their impact, but I think it should show you all there isn't any cause for concern for these players leaving.  In my eyes, this opens up 893 Minutes for Devin Davis, Troy Williams, Stan Robinson & the newbies to split up.  Too much fuss about nothing...

 

 

EDIT:  Someone said Fisher should be included in this as well so I've added him in this chart:

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[JSHoosier 19,554]

They would've brought experience though.

[Rayl 527]

They would've brought experience though.

 

We don't need that, except when we do, which is apparently not now but it was two weeks ago.

[Walking Boot of Doom 18,170]

Hollowell and Etherington were bringing experience this year as well. What does experience mean if the execution isn't there? Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners

[IU Hoosier41 14,465]

They would've brought experience though.

 

Would they though?  Together they only played 14% of the minutes this season between the three of them.  Of those minutes, they only played 

 

Stat Sheet tracks "Clutch Minutes" which are "Less than 5 minutes to go in the 2nd half or OT, neither team ahead by more than 5 points.

 

Here are how many Clutch Minutes those three played this season:

• Hollowell - 5 minutes
• Etherington -  7 minutes
• Marlin - 8 Seconds

For reference, Yogi played 41.5 minutes.   I don't think we lost much experience either.

[Rayl 527]

Would they though?  Together they only played 14% of the minutes this season between the three of them.  Of those minutes, they only played 

 

Stat Sheet tracks "Clutch Minutes" which are "Less than 5 minutes to go in the 2nd half or OT, neither team ahead by more than 5 points.

 

Here are how many Clutch Minutes those three played this season:

• Hollowell - 5 minutes
• Etherington -  7 minutes
• Marlin - 8 Seconds

For reference, Yogi played 41.5 minutes.   I don't think we lost much experience either.

 

Experience is more than just playing time. It's having veterans who can help show the new players what is expected of them. When to train. How to train. Help them to learn the plays. Help teach them where they need to position themselves on defense. Practice against them. Having upper classmen is important.

 

While we are unlikely to miss any of them directly on the court, we are likely to miss them, well maybe not Hollowell, in indirect ways that are difficult to measure.

[JSHoosier 19,554]

Hollowell and Etherington were bringing experience this year as well. What does experience mean if the execution isn't there? Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners

Hollowell was a true sophomore and Etherington a redshirt sophomore coming off injury.  With an off-season to work on their game we don't know for certain how they would've looked next season, maybe not much but the majority of freshman cannot be counted on to step in and be upgrades right away.

 

I'd better not see youth used as an excuse next season, but I know it will be.

[IU Hoosier41 14,465]

[quote name="Rayl" post="52846" timestamp="1395696720"]Experience is more than just playing time. It's having veterans who can help show the new players what is expected of them. When to train. How to train. Help them to learn the plays. Help teach them where they need to position themselves on defense. Practice against them. Having upper classmen is important.

While we are unlikely to miss any of them directly on the court, we are likely to miss them, well maybe not Hollowell, in indirect ways that are difficult to measure.[/quote]

I agree you need upperclassmen, I'm just not sure that losing those there hurt the culture. I won't speak about Etherington and Marlins' contributions in practice, but I think our culture and work ethic might actually go up with Hollowell gone.


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[TheWatShot 13,335]

Devin Davis had an interesting quote after the Big Ten tournament about next year's returning players. Something about "having good chemistry and working hard together." That kind of made me wonder if the team was already aware who would be staying and coming back well before the season ended, which may have led to some of the aforementioned chemistry issues. 

[ElectricBoogaloo 4,292]

Justin Albers ‏@Justin_Albers  1h

Jeremy Hollowell never bought in at Indiana, never wanted to work hard. Can’t have those kinds of kids in your program, IMO. #iubb

[bronkonagurski 894]

Individually none of these transfers necessarily concerns me THAT much but it is just the collective effect of having already lost Fischer and Noah going pro in addition to 3 players leaving plus the possibility for more changes...it just leaves me feeling uneasy.

 

It could well be that Crean recruits sharply to fill the 3 open scholarships, the returning players work hard and we end up with a surprisingly improved team in '14-'15.  But until the dust settles, it is hard for me accurately assess how I feel about the entire thing.

[bronkonagurski 894]

 

Justin Albers ‏@Justin_Albers  1h

Jeremy Hollowell never bought in at Indiana, never wanted to work hard. Can’t have those kinds of kids in your program, IMO. #iubb

 

 

Honestly I have no trouble believing this and it is something I've thought and said multiple times over the course of the season.  I believe the overall regression in his game from Year 1 to Year 2 is a clear sign that he wasn't putting in the work. 

[KB0 827]

Shouldn't Fischer be included in this as well? Obviously he transferred a while ago, but it was this season. I know his sample size is tiny, but still.

[bronkonagurski 894]

I know his sample size is tiny, but still.

 

That's what she said! 
:P

 

SHRINKAGE!  SHRINKAGE! 

[IU Hoosier41 14,465]

Shouldn't Fischer be included in this as well? Obviously he transferred a while ago, but it was this season. I know his sample size is tiny, but still.

 

It's fair to include him... Here you go (really only affects Blocks)

 

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[KB0 827]

It's fair to include him... Here you go (really only affects Blocks)

 

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I figured it wouldn't Change much.

[jayben00 75]

I really don't understand all the consternation over these departures. Transfers are normal occurrences throughout the NCAA programs. There are 13+ players on every team that think they should be starting, and bench time is not always spent thinking about  how the game is progressing. High school stars expect to be college stars.

 

I look at Kentucky and expect similar scenarios. Two highly recruited players (Marcus Lee and Derek Willis, remember them?) are sitting long and tall at the far end of the Kentucky bench. A few of the UK players will go pro, but another big class is coming in and expecting to play immediately. Wonder what those two are thinking.

[TheWatShot 13,335]

I look at Kentucky and expect similar scenarios. Two highly recruited players (Marcus Lee and Derek Willis, remember them?) are sitting long and tall at the far end of the Kentucky bench. A few of the UK players will go pro, but another big class is coming in and expecting to play immediately. Wonder what those two are thinking.

 

I really think there are ulterior motives for so many recruits choosing UK. I know that sounds exceptionally obvious, but no one can rationally explain six McDonald's All Americans from the same class electing to go there knowing there's a chance they may not play unless there were other benefits involved. 

[IU Hoosier41 14,465]

[quote name="TheWatShot" post="52897" timestamp="1395700974"]I really think there are ulterior motives for so many recruits choosing UK. I know that sounds exceptionally obvious, but no one can rationally explain six McDonald's All Americans from the same class electing to go there knowing there's a chance they may not play unless there were other benefits involved. [/quote]

At this point Cal doesn't have to do anything illegal. He has people steer players to UK now because those "guardians" "advisors" etc know Cal won't get in the players head about leaving those advisors. They know they can steer players to Cal, they play a year and go pro. Cal won't hurt their draft stock and they'll still have control over said player when they leave and go pro.

It's pretty obvious that Cal doesn't do anything shady at this point in his career because he doesn't have too.


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[Hovadipo 52,894]

[quote name="jayben00" post="52890" timestamp="1395700501"]I really don't understand all the consternation over these departures. Transfers are normal occurrences throughout the NCAA programs. There are 13+ players on every team that think they should be starting, and bench time is not always spent thinking about how the game is progressing. High school stars expect to be college stars.

I look at Kentucky and expect similar scenarios. Two highly recruited players (Marcus Lee and Derek Willis, remember them?) are sitting long and tall at the far end of the Kentucky bench. A few of the UK players will go pro, but another big class is coming in and expecting to play immediately. Wonder what those two are thinking.[/quote]

My thing is, at least 3 (rumors floating around about 2 others) transferred. 5 people transferring doesn't happen too often from what I've seen. Counting Noah, almost half of our team is gone due to early departure. Add in Sheehey, Gordon, and Howard, and that is the type of turnover that no program can be successful with.


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