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[HoosierAloha 29,886]

As a history buff with a history degree I vomited a little bit at the assertion that these books can be viewed as history 

Huh? Nothing that he wrote in those books were true...?


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Fire and Blood book one: subseries to "A song of ice and fire" was really good. Anyone that has read those books would enjoy the in depth story of the Targaryen family. Starting to read "Memory, Sorrow and Thorn" trilogy by Tad Williams. It's an older trilogy but just getting to it now.

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[Brass Cannon 24,064]

10 minutes ago, HoosierAloha said:

Huh? Nothing that he wrote in those books were true...?


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Oh come on that doesn’t make it History. By that logic The Gladiator was a history movie. 

[HoosierAloha 29,886]

Oh come on that doesn’t make it History. By that logic The Gladiator was a history movie. 

For the non history major/buff, I enjoy his telling of history even if some of it is questionable. Some of his books even led me to read other books about historical events.


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[Rico 2,911]

4 hours ago, Brass Cannon said:

Oh come on that doesn’t make it History. By that logic The Gladiator was a history movie. 

You mean "The Boys from Brazil" didn't happen?

[woodenshoemanHoosierfan 6,096]

Oh come on that doesn’t make it History. By that logic The Gladiator was a history movie. 

For a person who is not a lover of history or has a passing interest in History, these books can open the door to more interest or teaching historical fact to those people. Anytime history can reach more people, that is a good thing. For History buffs like myself, I prefer the books that go into more detail. That's why I prefer books from McCollough, Evans, Ambrose, Foote, etc.

Even reading Historical Fiction can open doors to the wonders of History.

 

 

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[Rico 2,911]

1 hour ago, woodenshoemanHoosierfan said:

For a person who is not a lover of history or has a passing interest in History, these books can open the door to more interest or teaching historical fact to those people. Anytime history can reach more people, that is a good thing. For History buffs like myself, I prefer the books that go into more detail. That's why I prefer books from McCollough, Evans, Ambrose, Foote, etc.

Even reading Historical Fiction can open doors to the wonders of History.

 

 

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Spot on and you made me think.  I read a book back in the early 90's called "Fatherland" which was historical fiction, but a fine read.  A few years later they came out with a movie based on that novel and it was a HBO movie.  I had to watch it.  Don't know what year that was but my son was young.  He watched the movie with me.  It was really his first "insight" into how Nazi Germany was.  He followed up on it, he became a lover of history.

[Brass Cannon 24,064]

2 hours ago, woodenshoemanHoosierfan said:

For a person who is not a lover of history or has a passing interest in History, these books can open the door to more interest or teaching historical fact to those people. Anytime history can reach more people, that is a good thing. For History buffs like myself, I prefer the books that go into more detail. That's why I prefer books from McCollough, Evans, Ambrose, Foote, etc.

Even reading Historical Fiction can open doors to the wonders of History.

 

 

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Yeah for the people who do further research it’s great. But for the ones that don’t they are left filled with misinformation disguised as History. Dan Brown is somebody else that does this

[HoosierAloha 29,886]

19 minutes ago, Brass Cannon said:

Yeah for the people who do further research it’s great. But for the ones that don’t they are left filled with misinformation disguised as History. Dan Brown is somebody else that does this

Another author I love!

[Brass Cannon 24,064]

27 minutes ago, HoosierAloha said:

Another author I love!

I actually enjoy his work as well. It just frightens me the extent to which people thought they understood Vatican procedure after they went back and read Angels and Demons after the Da Vinci code came out. 

[Rico 2,911]

19 hours ago, Brass Cannon said:

I actually enjoy his work as well. It just frightens me the extent to which people thought they understood Vatican procedure after they went back and read Angels and Demons after the Da Vinci code came out. 

I understand what you are saying, and to a degree, I agree with you.  History is a funny thing in the sense that there are so many out there that are "ignorant" of it.  But historical fiction to me, does have it's purpose.  At least on my end.  What if Hitler wouldn't have attacked Russia?  What if the Japanese wouldn't have attacked Pearl Harbor?  What if England would have won the Revolutionary War?  The list is endless....and to me fascinating.  

[Brass Cannon 24,064]

13 minutes ago, Rico said:

I understand what you are saying, and to a degree, I agree with you.  History is a funny thing in the sense that there are so many out there that are "ignorant" of it.  But historical fiction to me, does have it's purpose.  At least on my end.  What if Hitler wouldn't have attacked Russia?  What if the Japanese wouldn't have attacked Pearl Harbor?  What if England would have won the Revolutionary War?  The list is endless....and to me fascinating.  

I would classify alternative history in a different subcategory than Dan Brown and the killing books. 

[Rico 2,911]

2 minutes ago, Brass Cannon said:

I would classify alternative history in a different subcategory than Dan Brown and the killing books. 

That's fine.  I was just saying that some people view alternative history as factual history.

[Alford Bailey 12,240]

On 1/28/2019 at 3:02 PM, Brass Cannon said:

As a history buff with a history degree I vomited a little bit at the assertion that these books can be viewed as history 

 

20 hours ago, Brass Cannon said:

Yeah for the people who do further research it’s great. But for the ones that don’t they are left filled with misinformation disguised as History. Dan Brown is somebody else that does this

Dan Brown and OReilly/Dugard arent even a close comparison. My guess is you dislike OReillys politics.

[Brass Cannon 24,064]

9 minutes ago, Alford Bailey said:

 

Dan Brown and OReilly/Dugard arent even a close comparison. My guess is you dislike OReillys politics.

I’m not going to get into politics. But hey nice try to deflect my point without actually refuting it. 

Yes they are similar they pretend to inform all the while using cherry picked facts to fit the narrative. For example it would be really good storyrelling if Grant and Lee never met again after the surrender. So it got written that way. Never mind it wasn’t true. It was good for the story. 

And that’s something he was actually wrong about. Tons of other true facts we’re used without proper context or complimentary information. 

[Naturalhoosier 15,353]

I FINALLY finished Leadership in Turbulent Times.  A very well written book.  Has a bit of a political lean to the left (not getting political, just a forewarning is all).  It's like 4 parts history 1 part self-help/leadership betterment philosophies.  Plus the manner in which it is written is phenomenal.  Lincoln, both Roosevelt's, and LBJ (who I admittedly knew the least about).  It took a slice of of their 'early years', then a slice of their pre-presidential years, then presidential, and finally an epilogue about life after politics (if it existed).  Really good.

I also finished Fives and Twenty-fives by Michael Pitre.  A quick read, took a few days.  I couldn't put it down.  It's probably 5-6 yrs old.  It focuses on a Lieutenant and his platoon (mainly 3-4 characters) and their adjustment back into civilian life.  The struggles that come post-Iraq.  The writing style can be a bit confusing at first but you catch on quickly.  Definitely recommended!

[ray 1,559]

What?

There's a thread titled, Book Thread?

I had no idea.  Nice!

I read a book each week, on average...some weeks I might read two or even start a third, while occasionally an entire week or two might pass without me picking one up.  I'm drawn primarily to nonfiction, although I just started The Alchemist by Paulo Coelho.  I just finished rereading Flow by Mihaly Csikszentmihalyi.

[HoosierAloha 29,886]

I FINALLY finished Leadership in Turbulent Times.  A very well written book.  Has a bit of a political lean to the left (not getting political, just a forewarning is all).  It's like 4 parts history 1 part self-help/leadership betterment philosophies.  Plus the manner in which it is written is phenomenal.  Lincoln, both Roosevelt's, and LBJ (who I admittedly knew the least about).  It took a slice of of their 'early years', then a slice of their pre-presidential years, then presidential, and finally an epilogue about life after politics (if it existed).  Really good.
I also finished Fives and Twenty-fives by Michael Pitre.  A quick read, took a few days.  I couldn't put it down.  It's probably 5-6 yrs old.  It focuses on a Lieutenant and his platoon (mainly 3-4 characters) and their adjustment back into civilian life.  The struggles that come post-Iraq.  The writing style can be a bit confusing at first but you catch on quickly.  Definitely recommended!

Fives and Twenty-fives... never thought I’d hear that in the civilian world.


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[Brass Cannon 24,064]

1 hour ago, HoosierAloha said:

Fives and Twenty-fives... never thought I’d hear that in the civilian world.


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What’s it mean?

[JSHoosier 19,554]

8 hours ago, Brass Cannon said:

What’s it mean?

When a convoy stops stay in the vehicle and scan 5 meters in every direction.  Once clear get out and scan 25 meters.