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(2017) SF Kris Wilkes to UCLA

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Called this months ago. There has to be a disconnect in the state of Indiana between the current IU coaching staff and high school programs.. I don't know how else to explain continuously losing out on some of the best talent in the country in their own back yards. Really sucks. I fear the same is going to happen with Langford next year. 


Langford is more in the Louisville area than Indiana. Wilkes is more bothersome than him due to location.


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26 minutes ago, Baltimore Hoosier said:

Called this months ago. There has to be a disconnect in the state of Indiana between the current IU coaching staff and high school programs.. I don't know how else to explain continuously losing out on some of the best talent in the country in their own back yards. Really sucks. I fear the same is going to happen with Langford next year. 

Purely a guess, as I'm in Balt too not Indiana, but I'd guess it's more about AAU programs than high school coaches. 

 

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1 hour ago, mdn82 said:


Langford is more in the Louisville area than Indiana. Wilkes is more bothersome than him due to location.


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I'd consider 90 miles south of Bloomington in IU's back yard. Probably a better chance he ends up in Lexington than Louisville. 

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I'd consider 90 miles south of Bloomington in IU's back yard. Probably a better chance he ends up in Lexington than Louisville. 


He is across the river from the Yum center. I would consider that more Louisville's backyard and would be willing to bet he is more likely to end up at Duke than UK.


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Expected or not, Crean needs to start closing the deal on kids like this.  I personally don't think Wilkes in particular will be a huge loss; but if we don't get Langford or Phinissee either; we've got a problem.   Indiana University is the state school of Indiana (he states the obvious).    We have by far the greatest tradition, facilities, and offering here in the state; and there's no reason for kids to choose places OVER Indiana unless it's something way beyond Crean's control.  

Any time you get out-recruited by Steve Alford, who has never made it past the sweet 16, never won a conference title in a major conference, and is coming off a losing record; there's an issue.  I know UCLA's campus is gorgeous.  I get it.    But something's missing here.   I honestly don't think Crean can keep getting lucky with kids like Oladipo or Anunoby.  Bryant's gone after this season, as is Blackmon, as is Anunoby.  That's an awful lot to replace; and our recruiting class next season isn't exactly full of star power.   Wilkes aside, we need to do some work locally and start closing the deal.  As much as I love what I see on the court now; I can easily see another huge drop to 8th or 9th next season and beyond if we don't load the cupbord and rapidly.   Crean won't survive another drop like that.

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1 minute ago, Old Friend said:

Expected or not, Crean needs to start closing the deal on kids like this.  I personally don't think Wilkes in particular will be a huge loss; but if we don't get Langford or Phinissee either; we've got a problem.   Indiana University is the state school of Indiana (he states the obvious).    We have by far the greatest tradition, facilities, and offering here in the state; and there's no reason for kids to choose places OVER Indiana unless it's something way beyond Crean's control.  

Any time you get out-recruited by Steve Alford, who has never made it past the sweet 16, never won a conference title in a major conference, and is coming off a losing record; there's an issue.  I know UCLA's campus is gorgeous.  I get it.    But something's missing here.   I honestly don't think Crean can keep getting lucky with kids like Oladipo or Anunoby.  Bryant's gone after this season, as is Blackmon, as is Anunoby.  That's an awful lot to replace; and our recruiting class next season isn't exactly full of star power.   Wilkes aside, we need to do some work locally and start closing the deal.  As much as I love what I see on the court now; I can easily see another huge drop to 8th or 9th next season and beyond if we don't load the cupbord and rapidly.   Crean won't survive another drop like that.

After what I saw on Friday I doubt we drop that far.  Newkirk, Johnson, Cujo, Morgan and Davis with McSwain and Green off the Bench. 

Need a grad transfer big or Moore to be the real deal but that's a solid rotation that makes the tourney. 

We do need to make a splash in recruiting but honestly I don't see us winning any of the big timers in 2018. Would rather focus energy on Watford and target some solid high 4 stars in 2018. 

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4 minutes ago, Brass Cannon said:

After what I saw on Friday I doubt we drop that far.  Newkirk, Johnson, Cujo, Morgan and Davis with McSwain and Green off the Bench. 

Need a grad transfer big or Moore to be the real deal but that's a solid rotation that makes the tourney. 

We do need to make a splash in recruiting but honestly I don't see us winning any of the big timers in 2018. Would rather focus energy on Watford and target some solid high 4 stars in 2018. 

You could be right, and I hope you are.  I'm not as sold as you are on Newkirk, McSwain, and Davis.  I do LOVE Curtis Jones, though.   Kids improve though; and they will.  Depth won that game for us the other night.  We need to keep it through the roster,

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Maybe I am an IU traditionalist----but this just makes no sense to me.  Indiana kids used to dream of playing for IU.  Don't get me wrong, I could understand losing one now and then to UK, Kansas, UNC, or Duke-----but not to UCLA.  I like Stevie---but let's face it---he's a good (not great) coach in an average league for a team with average player development and average attendance and who perennially plays average to below average defense and underperforms almost every year in the NCAA's.  Good luck with that Wilkes.  You could have been part of something better---your loss young man.

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Alford wins lots of recruiting battles. He may not do a lot with the talent, but he gets lots of it since he's been at ucla.

Yea him being that close to IU sucks, but don't discredit Alford. He's a great recruiter who tells these kids what they want to hear.

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3 hours ago, HoosierRob said:

Alford wins lots of recruiting battles. He may not do a lot with the talent, but he gets lots of it since he's been at ucla.

Yea him being that close to IU sucks, but don't discredit Alford. He's a great recruiter who tells these kids what they want to hear.

Was Alford a great recruiter before UCLA? I don't remember doing much at New Mexico with his recruiting classes and Iowa was too long ago for me to remember. 

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14 hours ago, Baltimore Hoosier said:

Called this months ago. There has to be a disconnect in the state of Indiana between the current IU coaching staff and high school programs.. I don't know how else to explain continuously losing out on some of the best talent in the country in their own back yards. Really sucks. I fear the same is going to happen with Langford next year. 

Something is seriously wrong with the way Indiana recruits its back yard.

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11 hours ago, Brass Cannon said:

After what I saw on Friday I doubt we drop that far.  Newkirk, Johnson, Cujo, Morgan and Davis with McSwain and Green off the Bench. 

Need a grad transfer big or Moore to be the real deal but that's a solid rotation that makes the tourney. 

We do need to make a splash in recruiting but honestly I don't see us winning any of the big timers in 2018. Would rather focus energy on Watford and target some solid high 4 stars in 2018. 

I completely agree. The bigtime win on national tv will do us some good for the 2018 class, as well as our bigtime season this year. I think Crean and the program are going to finally get the good publicity they deserve and we will certainly pick up momentum.

As for next year...

Assuming OG,TB, and JBJ all leave early. We are still absolutely loaded next year. Maybe not top ten but still top twenty in what would most likely still be a transition year but still a solid outlook in 2017. We would still have a solid lineup. A transfer grad big will probably be necessary to be a champ contender. 

Starters...

Senior-Newkirk

Senior-Johnson

Sophomore-Jones

Junior-Morgan

Sophomore-Davis

Bench...

Sophomore-Green

Freshman-Smith

Freshman-Moore

Sophomore-Gelon

Senior-Priller

Senior-Hartman??

I know I'm missing a couple plus walk-ons, but we will have plenty of talent. Enough to at least compete big time

 

 

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