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Somebody posted an article in another thread. 40% plus of college coaches said they had lost a recruit to shoe company influence.

Coaches saying that they "lost" a recruit isn't exactly the reliable information I'd like to see. I'll look around and see if I can find data that shows how many recruits stick to their shoe allegiances from high school to college.

 

Here's some:

 

"A Courier-Journal database shows that 58 percent of the Rivals.com's top 10 seniors in the signing classes beginning in 2011, the first class from the Nike-backed Elite Youth Basketball League, came from Nike clubs, and of those, 69 percent, or 20 players, committed to college teams sponsored by that apparel company. Four committed to adidas-sponsored colleges.

 

By comparison, nine top-10 players have played for adidas-sponsored travel teams in those five classes, and only two went to adidas-sponsored colleges. Six went to Nike schools, according to the database, and one, a current senior, remains undecided.

 

Since the 2010 class, 75 percent of recruits signed by the Nike-sponsored University of Kentucky came from Nike-backed travel programs. During the same period, 43 percent of the signees at adidas-sponsored U of L came from Nike clubs.

 

Indiana University, another adidas-sponsored school, signed five players from Nike programs — or 25 percent of its high school signees — and 11 players from adidas programs during that period."

 

But here is the point that I think really matters and lessens the importance of any of the above data:

 

"Nike sponsors 45 of the 65 "power five conference" programs compared to adidas' 11, Under Armour's eight and Russell Athletics' one. With 15 of the 20 teams in the last five years' men's Final Fours affiliated with Nike, it then follows that, if Nike can maintain a stronghold on the bulk of top-rated club players and have deals in place with most of the country's top college programs, many of those athletes would be likely to continue the connection at the next level."

 

Essentially, the winners are playing for or with Nike.

 

http://www.courier-journal.com/story/sports/college/basketball/2014/10/17/analysis-nike-schools-land-top-recruits/17458319/

 

Check out the interactive charts about halfway down the article. Pretty interesting display of shoe company affiliations. If you look at the player charts, you can see that there is plenty of jumping from brand to brand. I'll still argue that shoe company allegiances aren't as important as some make it out to be; it's all about who can "pay" you the most now.

 

This article by SBNation stating that the shoe wars are "heating up", supports this claim only with specific situations, and not aggregate data. 

 

http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2015/8/14/9150941/james-harden-nike-adidas-college-basketball-recruiting-influence

 

This article has very little credibility in my opinion.

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Harden made $200 million through a shoe deal. These kids are positioning themselves to one day get a big pay day.
At the same time I don't care about these kids because typically they care about just themselves. Not Hoosier material, don't care how high ranked you are.

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I agree. But they don't need to remain loyal to one shoe company to cash in.

Yes u do when younger. Shoe people want stability. If a kid ditches one shoe company the kid could get other shoes but won't be bankrolled. It's an evil numbers game.

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I have heard that shoe companies offer "contracts" to top rated players.  They get paid when they fulfill their obligations in college which is either graduating or declaring for pros.  THIS IS WHY (one of the reasons) some kids jump when they are not fully ready and at a good draft position.  After they are out of school they can be legally paid but the negotiations happen during HS and the contract is fulfilled at the end of college.

 

Believe it or not, but I am quite sure it works something very similar to this.

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I also think this is a big part of the Calipari genius. 

This is what John Calipari's have pocketed so far, not including whats to come from blockbuster deals recently signed. This is staggering.  Nike has a lot to do with this figure.

 

John Wall $37,717,125
Demarcus Cousins: $29,838,286
Enes Kanter: $25,567,009
Anthony Davis: $23,198,010
Eric Bledsoe: $20,104,069
Brandon Knight: $15,880,357
Patrick Patterson: $14,434,196
Michael Kidd-Gilchrist: $14,429,520
Nerlens Noel: $6,487,440
Terrence Jones: $4,655,520
Marquis Teague: $3,052,640
Julius Randle: $3,064,800
Archie Goodwin: $2,176,680
James Young: $1,674,480
Darius Miller: $1,662,476
Daniel Orton: $883,370
Deandre Liggins: $381,193
Josh Harrellson: $381,193

Total Earned: $205,588,364

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This is what John Calipari's have pocketed so far, not including whats to come from blockbuster deals recently signed. This is staggering.  Nike has a lot to do with this figure.

 

John Wall $37,717,125
Demarcus Cousins: $29,838,286
Enes Kanter: $25,567,009
Anthony Davis: $23,198,010
Eric Bledsoe: $20,104,069
Brandon Knight: $15,880,357
Patrick Patterson: $14,434,196
Michael Kidd-Gilchrist: $14,429,520
Nerlens Noel: $6,487,440
Terrence Jones: $4,655,520
Marquis Teague: $3,052,640
Julius Randle: $3,064,800
Archie Goodwin: $2,176,680
James Young: $1,674,480
Darius Miller: $1,662,476
Daniel Orton: $883,370
Deandre Liggins: $381,193
Josh Harrellson: $381,193

Total Earned: $205,588,364

I know there are recent kids that this doesnt list as well.

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This is what John Calipari's have pocketed so far, not including whats to come from blockbuster deals recently signed. This is staggering.  Nike has a lot to do with this figure.
 
John Wall $37,717,125
Demarcus Cousins: $29,838,286
Enes Kanter: $25,567,009
Anthony Davis: $23,198,010
Eric Bledsoe: $20,104,069
Brandon Knight: $15,880,357
Patrick Patterson: $14,434,196
Michael Kidd-Gilchrist: $14,429,520
Nerlens Noel: $6,487,440
Terrence Jones: $4,655,520
Marquis Teague: $3,052,640
Julius Randle: $3,064,800
Archie Goodwin: $2,176,680
James Young: $1,674,480
Darius Miller: $1,662,476
Daniel Orton: $883,370
Deandre Liggins: $381,193
Josh Harrellson: $381,193

Total Earned: $205,588,364


When I think of shoes I want the first person I want endorsing them is Josh Harrellson

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I have heard that shoe companies offer "contracts" to top rated players.  They get paid when they fulfill their obligations in college which is either graduating or declaring for pros.  THIS IS WHY (one of the reasons) some kids jump when they are not fully ready and at a good draft position.  After they are out of school they can be legally paid but the negotiations happen during HS and the contract is fulfilled at the end of college.

 

Believe it or not, but I am quite sure it works something very similar to this.

Bingo. That's why Anthony Davis hugged W.W.W. before his parents when the Paycats won it all.

It sucks and has destroyed college ball but that's where we are.

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