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Say the following scenario plays out over the next few months: IU football makes a bowl game (already happened) while basketball misses the NCAA tournament for the fourth season in a row. Does the heat on Glass grow? Does football winning possibly 7-8 games keep the fanbase and boosters happy?
No. Basketball is king at iu in the end. If basketball fails heat will be on. But that hasn't happened yet and I think archie is a good coach. Cant argue the results have been terrible and embarrassing and I am confused by it. Guess I don't know crap about a good and bad coach lol

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I find it hard to believe we're blaming Glass for hiring a guy that almost all national bball guys said was a great hire. Now, if Archie fails after 4-5 yrs, that's on Archie. The same people b°°°°ing about Allen,  are now saying we're a football school! SMH

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4 hours ago, Iugradman said:

Say the following scenario plays out over the next few months: IU football makes a bowl game (already happened) while basketball misses the NCAA tournament for the fourth season in a row. Does the heat on Glass grow? Does football winning possibly 7-8 games keep the fanbase and boosters happy?

Timeout Gradman.

 

7-8 wins is a double check plus, and that cancels out the minus that would be missing the NCAA tournament. 

 

 

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36 minutes ago, jk34 said:

I find it hard to believe we're blaming Glass for hiring a guy that almost all national bball guys said was a great hire. Now, if Archie fails after 4-5 yrs, that's on Archie. The same people b°°°°ing about Allen,  are now saying we're a football school! SMH

Are you making a reference to me?  I've never complained Allen. 

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No. Basketball is king at iu in the end. If basketball fails heat will be on. But that hasn't happened yet and I think archie is a good coach. Cant argue the results have been terrible and embarrassing and I am confused by it. Guess I don't know crap about a good and bad coach lol

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Basketball hasn’t failed YET. But it is failing at the moment. This team is predicted to miss the NCAA tourney for a reason. If they do miss it, next season will be a make it or break it season for Archie. Can’t miss the NCAA tourney your first 4 seasons.


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Basketball hasn’t failed YET. But it is failing at the moment. This team is predicted to miss the NCAA tourney for a reason. If they do miss it, next season will be a make it or break it season for Archie. Can’t miss the NCAA tourney your first 4 seasons.


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So, give it a rest until then?


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So then you should give the cheerleading a test until it’s a success right?


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Stop supporting our teams? Joe, I used to give you some slack because you’d occasionally have an insightful post, but now you’re negative and confrontational just for show. I don’t ignore many users at all but you offer nothing.


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So then you should give the cheerleading a test until it’s a success right?

 

 

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Nope because until they fail there’s still hope (within reason).

 

At least, that’s how people who aren’t miserable like you, gradman, and Fk can approach things in life.

 

Don’t try to bring everyone to your pity party. The season hasn’t even started - we’re ready to have some fun watching IUBB!

 

 

 

 

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Stop supporting our teams? Joe, I used to give you some slack because you’d occasionally have an insightful post, but now you’re negative and confrontational just for show. I don’t ignore many users at all but you offer nothing.


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We all want the team to succeed, doesn’t mean we all believe it is going to. We will cheer every game, doesn’t mean we think it’s a successful season. I would have stopped being a fan a long time ago if I didn’t think Indiana could never make it back. I just don’t think Archie is that guy. I don’t think he’s a good enough coach to get Indiana where it needs to be.


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1 hour ago, Loaded Chicken Sandwich said:


We all want the team to succeed, doesn’t mean we all believe it is going to. We will cheer every game, doesn’t mean we think it’s a successful season. I would have stopped being a fan a long time ago if I didn’t think Indiana could never make it back. I just don’t think Archie is that guy. I don’t think he’s a good enough coach to get Indiana where it needs to be.


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You don't think Allen is either 

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You don't think Allen is either 

In the long run no. But that’s a whole different situation. If he can consistently get to bowl games and only miss every few years, that’s successful for football. If we pass Michigan State as the 4th best in the East, that’s ultra successful. But in basketball, Archie doesn’t only have to make this team win, he has to make them annual Big Ten title contenders and a national powerhouse who is considered to be a national title contender basically every season. Where we are talked about in the same sentence as UNC, Duke, UK and KU every single year. Allen has a way better chance at getting to a bowl game 3 out of 5 years than Archie does in becoming a national powerhouse. Now of Archie’s only goal is to be a yearly NCAA tourney team, then our standards have obviously dropped and he can pull that off and we can just settle for getting in.


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1 hour ago, Loaded Chicken Sandwich said:


In the long run no. But that’s a whole different situation. If he can consistently get to bowl games and only miss every few years, that’s successful for football. If we pass Michigan State as the 4th best in the East, that’s ultra successful. But in basketball, Archie doesn’t only have to make this team win, he has to make them annual Big Ten title contenders and a national powerhouse who is considered to be a national title contender basically every season. Where we are talked about in the same sentence as UNC, Duke, UK and KU every single year. Allen has a way better chance at getting to a bowl game 3 out of 5 years than Archie does in becoming a national powerhouse. Now of Archie’s only goal is to be a yearly NCAA tourney team, then our standards have obviously dropped and he can pull that off and we can just settle for getting in.


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Good defense and guard play can make you perineal contenders. He knows a little about both. Basing your judgements on Archie after two years is not a fair analysis. Nobody knows if he is the "right" guy, but if you're ready to kick him to the curb already, we will never be able to get the "right" guy.  

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11 hours ago, Loaded Chicken Sandwich said:


Basketball hasn’t failed YET. But it is failing at the moment. This team is predicted to miss the NCAA tourney for a reason. If they do miss it, next season will be a make it or break it season for Archie. Can’t miss the NCAA tourney your first 4 seasons.


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Missing the tournament 3 seasons in a row is pretty bad.

I'm giving a pass on year one.

 Year two we had a play in game against OSU and lost (at home if i'm not mistaken)

 if we miss in year 3, then what is the barometer for year 4? making the tournament?

Lets pretend in a hypothetical world where we miss the tournament for the 3rd year in a row under Archie, and lets pretend buyouts are not an issue, What would you all do?

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Missing the tournament 3 seasons in a row is pretty bad.
I'm giving a pass on year one.
 Year two we had a play in game against OSU and lost (at home if i'm not mistaken)
 if we miss in year 3, then what is the barometer for year 4? making the tournament?
Lets pretend in a hypothetical world where we miss the tournament for the 3rd year in a row under Archie, and lets pretend buyouts are not an issue, What would you all do?

I would try and center myself instead of looking for the worst possible outcome in every scenario. Being introspective, I would say that’s more of a me problem if I started feeling that way.


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What he said.
When did we start expecting failure?  Surely, you ALL can't be closet Purdue fans or Cubs fans?   More and more, I see people here who have zero ability to see what's going on and base opinion solely on numbers from the past without taking truth and circumstances into consideration.   I hope you're not sales people who have an explainable bad quarter...you'll lose your own job, and your words here would completely justify it.   In fewer words, I see some people who don't know what they're talking about.   Same guys who said "FIRE TOM ALLEN!" 3 games into this season.   That didn't age well...and I haven't seen one of those bozos say they were wrong.  Same here.  Fire Archie?  Fire Glass?  Before everything plays out?   They have no idea what they're talking about.   Sorry if that offends those who want to fire everybody every season, but that's how I see it.
There are some facts or at least some loose facts here....which are either being missed or ignored :
Archie took over a bad team and had no impact freshmen.  Crean left the cupboard bare.  Fact.
Archie installed a system almost 180* different than Crean's, and didn't have the athletes yet to succeed in that system.  Fact.
In year 1, not a single recruit of Archie's played even a single minute.   Fact.
In year 2, Indiana dealt with significant injuries to key players all season.   Fact.   (And still beat Michigan State twice, so I'd say that constitutes at the very least "hope.")
In year 2, Indiana played all season with some level of expectation for showcasing a single player (Romeo) who sat the NIT out with a mysterious back injury.   Fact.
In year 2, Indiana had little depth in the front court, and whose best and most experienced player was 6'7"..  A problem which has definitely been addressed.
In year 2, Indiana had significant dead weight on its roster; all of which has been jettisoned or graduated.   Fact.  (Moore, Forrester, McRoberts - who I liked, but who was hurt and ineffective all season, and Fitzner are all gone along with Romeo)  Replaced by Jackson-Davis, Brunk, Franklin, and Hunter.  That's a net gain by any measure.
I would submit and stand behind this is really year 2 for Archie.  Many gave Crean a pass for 3 seasons, and I will never understand how some think it's so easy to "win right away" when a new coach is hired.    I wonder if some really understand what they're saying or college sports in general.    I doubt many saw the on-floor growth in Indiana last season, but at the end, it was obvious if you really looked.  Assuming health, I think Indiana will surprise a lot of people this season, and next season, when we have depth and talent all over the floor (more so if we get Garcia), the trend really goes up.   I am very bullish on Archie.

Crean got a 2 year pass because he started with Kyle Taber.


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