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IUBB vs Portland St game thread 11/9 @ 2 pm BTN+

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3 minutes ago, Alford Bailey said:

Only 10 turnovers, shot 73% at the line and 50% FG. Out rebounded them pretty handily. Those are good numbers. 21% from three. We sorely need a knock down three point shooter. 

Other than 3 point shooting and 3 point defense a lot to be happy with tbh. Those were very bad though from what I am hearing. 

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2 minutes ago, Alford Bailey said:

Only 10 turnovers, shot 73% at the line and 50% FG. Out rebounded them pretty handily. Those are good numbers. 21% from three. We sorely need a knock down three point shooter. 

The 10 turnovers against a small, handsy, pressing team, is incredible in game two of the season. No matter who we're playing. I believe by B10 season,  we'll be a respectable to good 3pt. shooting team.

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2 hours ago, BGleas said:

Completely agree. It’s a small sample size, but it’s pretty clear to me this team is best playing smaller. This game was close because we fouled too much and we couldn’t shoot from the perimeter. 

We fouled too much partly because we played too big and without athleticism, and we shot poorly because most of the game we had 3 non-shooters on the floor. 

The times we were able to stretch the lead in both halves was when we had Smith and TJD at the forwards with either 3 guards or 2 guards and Hunter. We’re more athletic defensively and have better floor spacing offensively that way. 

Hey Gleas....  Define smaller for me, please.   To me, it seems we play pretty well with TJD, Smith, Thompson, and minutes from Brunk.  Davis looks to be an odd man out except against big teams; but we have at least 3 bigs (including Smith) who run and/or space the floor pretty well and another in Brunk who seems more than capable of 15-20 solid minutes every game.    We out-rebounded PSU by 17 and dominated points in the paint.  Their guards had 58 of their 74 points today.   Just want to understand how you're defining "smaller."

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14 hours ago, Brass Cannon said:

If the shooting doesn’t improve this year I do think Archie is going to have to do something. 
 

We can be a decent team not shooting decently. But very very difficult to be elite without at least decent shooting. 

He did do something; Aren't Leal and Galloway considered good shooters?

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14 hours ago, schoosier said:

I’m surprised he didn’t get any smell. I believed he could help us this year.

Nursing an injury. Cam said he would be available, but likely didn't see a need to play him

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1 hour ago, HoosierHoops1 said:

He did do something; Aren't Leal and Galloway considered good shooters?

Galloway shoots like 33% in high school. So maybe great by Comparison.  If there is no improvement this year Between 3s and Free throws there clearly a deficiency on the instruction and that needs rectified. 

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10 minutes ago, jk34 said:

The players that will be shooting the majority of our 3's are either hurt or shaking off rust. Can't we wait a few more games before we call our three point shooting a complete disaster already. 

Which is why I used the word “if”

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3 minutes ago, Brass Cannon said:

Which is why I used the word “if”

I understand that you used the word "if", but "if" we were healthier last year, we may not be having this discussion. It's hard to rectify the deficiencies on instruction when playing without a full roster. Our two best players which took the majority of our shots, were never going to be good 3pt. shooters. 

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It's still early in the season but is this the impact of moving back the 3-point line?
Last season, IU shot 31.2% from 3 and it ranked 311th in the country.  Through 2 games this season, IU is shooting 32% from 3 and it ranks 157th.  32% also happens to be the national average, down so far from 34.4% last season.
I just saw that on twitter. Way too early, but interesting

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11 hours ago, Old Friend said:

Hey Gleas....  Define smaller for me, please.   To me, it seems we play pretty well with TJD, Smith, Thompson, and minutes from Brunk.  Davis looks to be an odd man out except against big teams; but we have at least 3 bigs (including Smith) who run and/or space the floor pretty well and another in Brunk who seems more than capable of 15-20 solid minutes every game.    We out-rebounded PSU by 17 and dominated points in the paint.  Their guards had 58 of their 74 points today.   Just want to understand how you're defining "smaller."

Good question, and admittedly I’m working off a very small sample size and I’m going pretty much off the eye test. By “smaller” I don’t necessarily mean small, I just think based off what I’ve seen, albeit against low competition (though I think Portland is better than their projection) that IU has played best with two forwards as opposed to three. 

I wouldn’t really call a Phinisee, Durham, Hunter, Smith, TJD lineup small, and I think that’s been our best lineup so far. I also don’t think the bigger lineups have been bad, I just see better offensive flow, rhythm, and shooting, and better defensive quickness and speed when we’ve played “smaller”. Maybe more athletic is actually the better word. 

This doesn’t mean I don’t like our big guys, Thompson was fantastic yesterday, TJD has been really good, Brunk is solid, and Smith has been really good obviously, I just think it’s tough in today’s game to big when your bigs don’t shoot from the perimeter, and none of them are a guy like a Kaleb Wesson who is going to dominate the block offensively. 

Our bigs aren’t guys that you can dump the ball down to on the block 5 possessions in a row and let them go to work. We’re still relying on our perimeter guys to make the plays. The offense wasn’t bad yesterday, I’m not saying we’ve been bad with the bigger lineups, I just think we’ve played best with the more athletic, slightly smaller lineups. 

Ideally with everyone healthy and hopefully Hunter having shaken off the rust, I think IU’s best lineup will be Phinisee, Green or Durham, Hunter, Smith, TJD, and then you have a bench of Green or Durham, Thompson, Brunk, Franklin, Anderson, and Davis is available for certain situations. 

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