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Fire or ‘Way to Go!’ Tom Allen?

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51 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

 

If I banned you I'd have to ban myself..How can I ban you when I agree with you so strongly? It's not a ban-able rant when you're right on every point; it's just passion for a rising football program.

This may be the most potential the IU football program has had in my years following it, and I was there during the Mallory era.

 

 

Really? Cause I was there for the Mallory years as well and we are light years from that.

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First off, what coach in their right mind is going to want to come to a program that just fired the previous Coach after three seasons, especially when the third season was promising with a bunch of talented youngsters seeing the field.

This is as excited I’ve been about an IU football team in a long time. They’ve looked solid so far this year and are currently favored in their next four games, which would equal a 7-2 record and likely an appearance in the AP Polls. We’ve got Michigan, in a down year, at home between when they play Michigan State and Ohio State, and a struggling Purdue to finish off the year. Granted the game against Penn State will likely be a loss, that’s a record that’s looking at an honest 7-5 with a possibility of winning 9 f****** regular season games. Right now, most of the fan base would guess 7 wins over 5 for the rest of the way. That’s something Indiana hasn’t had in who knows how long. But yeah let’s fire the coach orchestrating all that, a coach who likely wouldn’t use Indiana as a stepping stone program, and throw the bank at someone like Nick Saban, Urban, or Dabo who would wanna come here so we can regularly beat ranked teams.

Gotta take a step back at times and look at the big picture guys.


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3 hours ago, lucel15 said:

Oh and mods.....ban me if you’d like....lol ik I took some personal shots, but what has he actually contributed to any conversation in the past? what an embarrassing thread and take. Go Hoosiers. 

If you took personal shots you should be banned. 

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56 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

 

If I banned you I'd have to ban myself..How can I ban you when I agree with you so strongly? It's not a ban-able rant when you're right on every point; it's just passion for a rising football program.

This may be the most potential the IU football program has had in my years following it, and I was there during the Mallory era.

 

 

This is intriguing. Only reason I would argue is the B1G of the mid 80's had more upward mobility. After the Big 2 it was pretty open even though Mich St and Iowa were good, they were not consistent.  A lot of wins to be had against Purdue, Nwestern, Illinois, Wisconsin, Minnesota.....anyway I agree that IU seems to be building a foundation. I hope it pays off.   

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14 minutes ago, Alford Bailey said:

Really? Cause I was there for the Mallory years as well and we are light years from that.

 

It's purely my opinion.

My opinion is based on the rise of talented, instinctively good very young players like Mullen, Hendershot, Scott, Cam Jones, Ellis, McFadden, and especially...

Penix.

 

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41 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

I'm not the one melting down when people criticize Tom Allen. 

Yes, you are. How many times in this thread have you whined that you're not allowed to have an opinion because not everyone agrees with you? 

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Then the argument of why did we do so many east and west throws, because those were basically run plays even tho they were passes. It allowed slots or RBs to get out and turn upfield which most of those gains turned in to gains that would be equal to runs. Yes I’m still scratching my head at the three straight inside tackle runs....not disagreeing there but the arguments on play calls like screen passes were designed to be like runs....to get you some yards on early downs....if we went over the top or deep throws every negative Nancy on here would have been like why are we throwing downfield every play.....why are we setting ourselves up for a 3rd and long every drive....well those screen passes setup 3rd and shorts and we ran several times to get a first down and sustain a drive....or we hit a hitch or short crossing pattern to get the first when they thought we would run.....would I have liked to see more of an RPO instead of 3 straight inside runs heck yeah....but the only time we saw them allow Penix to run was on that bootleg where he ran for a TD. I feel like the game plan was to setup as an option but no matter what we were going to limit hits he took. That’s why there were so many east and west throws throughout the game. 

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If this thread has fallen to this level, then I’m going to continue to call out that Brass Cannon has conveniently disappeared from all football threads because Penix is the answer and he was so incredibly wrong it’s too embarrassing to respond.




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I see it’s “gang up on the dissenter” time.

I’m not taking sides because I haven’t read all the info.

I can see where people can see good things with our football program.

I can see where it’s just the “same ole, same ole”.

I don’t think Tom Allen needs fired though. I actually like the guy and am rooting for him. Considering our football history, let’s give him time to build something. Follow his recruiting and when people stop buying what he’s selling, cut ties.

I have a much shorter leash for a IUBB program that should have zero excuse besides maybe trying to play it straight in a world of zig-zagging cheatery.


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I see it’s “gang up on the dissenter” time.

I’m not taking sides because I haven’t read all the info.

I can see where people can see good things with our football program.

I can see where it’s just the “same ole, same ole”.

I don’t think Tom Allen needs fired though. I actually like the guy and am rooting for him. Considering our football history, let’s give him time to build something. Follow his recruiting and when people stop buying what he’s selling, cut ties.

I have a much shorter leash for a IUBB program that should have zero excuse besides maybe trying to play it straight in a world of zig-zagging cheatery.


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We are on stage 4 of the 7 stages of grieving. We just moved past ganging up on the positive people when we started getting 2020 commits. It’s a vicious cycle.


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That MSU game was a chance for Indiana to turn a corner. And it was the same BS as usual. We can’t finish a freaking game. Remember Michigan in 2015? Just stop the 4th down pass, and we win. What happens, Michigan converts? It’s crap like that in all these big games. Always a play away. If Fitzgerald picks that ball off and runs it back, that probably wins the game. Indiana has a culture of failing to finish a game and every Big Ten opponent understands that. If Tom Allen can’t change that culture in 3 years, then he isn’t the guy. It’s about time for IU to find “THE GUY.”


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On 9/30/2019 at 9:53 PM, Fkfootball1 said:

That MSU game was a chance for Indiana to turn a corner. And it was the same BS as usual. We can’t finish a freaking game. Remember Michigan in 2015? Just stop the 4th down pass, and we win. What happens, Michigan converts? It’s crap like that in all these big games. Always a play away. If Fitzgerald picks that ball off and runs it back, that probably wins the game. Indiana has a culture of failing to finish a game and every Big Ten opponent understands that. If Tom Allen can’t change that culture in 3 years, then he isn’t the guy. It’s about time for IU to find “THE GUY.”


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FK, 

Honest question, and have never really seen a serious discussion around actual potential candidates. Who would you like IU to target if we do part ways with CTA? I know that a lot of that depends on the landscape, who may be let go, available etc., but just curious who people think IU could get that would actually drive change. Is there a big name coach down on their luck at a smaller school that we could target, a promising up and comer, proven assistant etc. I was intrigued by Kansas being able to pick up Les Miles, but the verdict is still out of he will succeed there. 

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On 9/30/2019 at 2:21 PM, Hoosierfan2017 said:

I'm not the one melting down when people criticize Tom Allen. 

No.  You're the one melting down when they support him and support Fred Glass.

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For some perspective on where Indiana "really" is - current Sagarin (objective, non-biased) NCAA football rankings for Big Ten :

Ohio State    #1

Penn State  #4

Wisconsin  #10

Michigan State  #16

Michigan #17

Iowa    #19

Nebraska   #36

Maryland   #47

Indiana  #48

Northwestern   #56

Minnesota    #57

Purdue    #80

Illinois   #98

Rutgers    #134

So...you want to fire a coach who has Indiana in the top 50 programs in the country; who had #16 beat on the road; whose recruiting classes are at a level never before seen at Indiana; who has a quarterback who looks like a kid who might be drafted; who has built better team speed and better depth than we've ever had.   And you want to do this to go get....who?   Another guy you'll want fired when he does something you don't like?  Indiana is in the same division with FOUR top 20 rated teams.   And you think someone is going to come in and immediately change it....to....what?  And that guy will stay, right?

Logic seems to have no place here, sometimes.

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42 minutes ago, Old Friend said:

For some perspective on where Indiana "really" is - current Sagarin (objective, non-biased) NCAA football rankings for Big Ten :

Ohio State    #1

Penn State  #4

Wisconsin  #10

Michigan State  #16

Michigan #17

Iowa    #19

Nebraska   #36

Maryland   #47

Indiana  #48

Northwestern   #56

Minnesota    #57

Purdue    #80

Illinois   #98

Rutgers    #134

So...you want to fire a coach who has Indiana in the top 50 programs in the country; who had #16 beat on the road; whose recruiting classes are at a level never before seen at Indiana; who has a quarterback who looks like a kid who might be drafted; who has built better team speed and better depth than we've ever had.   And you want to do this to go get....who?   Another guy you'll want fired when he does something you don't like?  Indiana is in the same division with FOUR top 20 rated teams.   And you think someone is going to come in and immediately change it....to....what?  And that guy will stay, right?

Logic seems to have no place here, sometimes.

Yes? If you read through the thread you would see why people want Allen fired. It's not because we lost on Saturday. 

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