08/31 12:00PM ET Indiana vs Ball State (@Lucas Oil Stadium) CBSSN

[WayneFleekHoosier 46,807]

I see plenty to criticize. Not much to praise. 
Cons:
No running game other than Penix. This will doom them in 7 out of the next 11 games. 
Incredibly poor tackling.
The O line doesn't block well at all.
Very, very poor third-down defense all day long. 
Poor zone coverage on the passing game. 
Receivers drop way too many. 
Deboer went way too conservative way too soon and it really cost them. 
I could go on. 
Pros:
Penix can run.
Hendershot is a player. 
Justus is great. 
 

Spot. On.

And our kickoff specialist already lost his gig. and our back up kick off specialist is some sorta shape.


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[BGVille Hoosierfan 2,882]

Expect A LOT more of this throughout the season lol


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[Old Friend 8,389]

1 hour ago, Gahoosierfan said:

I see plenty to criticize. Not much to praise. 

Cons:

No running game other than Penix. This will doom them in 7 out of the next 11 games.  -  Ball State had 7-8 in the box all day.  That's what they wanted to stop, and clearly wanted to make a new QB coming off an injury prove he could beat them.  A very obvious game plan by BSU. .   I'm not as concerned with this yet.   1st drive of the second half when BSU loosened to defend the pass, we ran it just fine.  Gotta' take what they give you.  And we ran "quick pass" extended run plays just fine, too.

Incredibly poor tackling.  Absolutely.  Allen said so in his post game comments.

The O line doesn't block well at all. Hit and miss.  Depends on the play.  They'll come around...too talented not to.

Very, very poor third-down defense all day long.  Absolutely awful.  

Poor zone coverage on the passing game.  Absolutely awful.  Especially LB's getting depth.  Horrible.

Receivers drop way too many.  I'm not worried about this, either.  

Deboer went way too conservative way too soon and it really cost them.  I would bet a lot of money he was told to try to run it.   Compared to last season and Ramsey's playbook, that was anything but conservative.

I could go on. 

Pros:

Penix can run.

Hendershot is a player. 

Justus is great. 

 

Basically, I see nothing that can't be fixed.  Sky's not falling yet.

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[Alford Bailey 12,259]

6 hours ago, Hardwood83 said:

Uninspiring. Ball St is decent- but not close to B1G caliber. Inability to run inside, dumb penalties, poor tackling, lack of a pass rush.....ugh, not a very auspicious start. Penix definitely has potential. 

In other words IU football...

[IUc2016 6,951]

Look I am not saying IU was great today or anything, but did anybody watch other big ten games?

Nebraska struggled at home against south Alabama. 35-21

Purdue lost at Nevada. 34-21

Minnesota barely beat FCS South Dakota State at home. 28-21.

Iowa is only up 24-14 in the fourth as I type this against another MAC school, Miami (oh).

No IU wasn’t great. But they were were far from terrible.


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[Walking Boot of Doom 18,170]

People are just ready to get pissed again. This was the most electric offense we’ve seen since Sudfeld/Coleman, and it’s not even close.

There was so much wrong with our play today, specifically on defense. A lot also changed this off-season in terms of coaches. We also didn’t see what we know Scott can do, nor did we truly see Sampson James.

Overall, lots to improve upon in order to make and win a bowl, but I’m excited by this offense. DeBoer made some great play calls, and thank god we have an excellent kicker.

Go Hoosiers.


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[Brass Cannon 24,068]

2 hours ago, Walking Boot of Doom said:

People are just ready to get pissed again. This was the most electric offense we’ve seen since Sudfeld/Coleman, and it’s not even close.

There was so much wrong with our play today, specifically on defense. A lot also changed this off-season in terms of coaches. We also didn’t see what we know Scott can do, nor did we truly see Sampson James.

Overall, lots to improve upon in order to make and win a bowl, but I’m excited by this offense. DeBoer made some great play calls, and thank god we have an excellent kicker.

Go Hoosiers.


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Ramsey hung more points on Ball State last year but yes let’s refer to this offense as electric 

[Hoosierfan2017 19,902]

12 minutes ago, Brass Cannon said:

Ramsey hung more points on Ball State last year but yes let’s refer to this offense as electric 

Yeah I'm not seeing it either. Our starting running back carried the ball 19 times, averaged 2.5 ypa, and had a long of 7. Against a MAC time. We had 457 yards against Ball State last year, only 17 fewer than this year. One more first down than this year. If anything this shows that the offense putting up good numbers against ball state doesn't mean much. 

[Hoohoohooooooooo 1]

Expecting big things from Fryfogle this yr. time to step it up!! 

[Hoohoohooooooooo 1]

5 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

Yeah I'm not seeing it either. Our starting running back carried the ball 19 times, averaged 2.5 ypa, and had a long of 7. Against a MAC time. We had 457 yards against Ball State last year, only 17 fewer than this year. One more first down than this year. If anything this shows that the offense putting up good numbers against ball state doesn't mean much. 

Idk man. I expect this yr to be a big one. Ypa doesn’t say much or give a full picture if you ask me

[BGVille Hoosierfan 2,882]

Ramsey hung more points on Ball State last year but yes let’s refer to this offense as electric 

You do realize Penix led one of those TD drives last year against Ball State and another TD was an 86 yard punt return for a TD by J-Shun Harris....and that was IU’s 3rd game last year with Ramsey at QB and he put up 24 points and threw for 173 yards sooooo that argument is moot. The D not being to get off the field on 3rd downs was the only thing keeping us from hanging 50+ on them. I don’t know how anybody could want Ramsey in over Penix at this point. We’ve seen what Ramsey can do and what we know is, we can’t win the big games with him, he’s had his chance, time to move on.

 

 

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[Hoosierfan2017 19,902]

38 minutes ago, jbell833 said:

You do realize Penix led one of those TD drives last year against Ball State and another TD was an 86 yard punt return for a TD by J-Shun Harris....and that was IU’s 3rd game last year with Ramsey at QB and he put up 24 points and threw for 173 yards sooooo that argument is moot. The D not being to get off the field on 3rd downs was the only thing keeping us from hanging 50+ on them. I don’t know how anybody could want Ramsey in over Penix at this point. We’ve seen what Ramsey can do and what we know is, we can’t win the big games with him, he’s had his chance, time to move on.

 

 

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So because Penix beat a Ball State team that won 4 games last year by a whopping 10 points he's suddenly the savior that can win the big games for us? I don't know which game you were watching, but we were nowhere near hanging 50+ points on them. It was not the defense's fault that we didn't do that. People are really trying hard to convince themselves that this year is going to be different. 

[Walking Boot of Doom 18,170]

Ramsey hung more points on Ball State last year but yes let’s refer to this offense as electric 

Dynamic a better word? The Ramsey/DeBord offense was so limited. This offense is well rounded, and I’m hoping they tighten things up as the season progresses. New QB and new OC - I’m giving them the benefit of the doubt that they will improve.


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[Brass Cannon 24,068]

52 minutes ago, Walking Boot of Doom said:

Dynamic a better word? The Ramsey/DeBord offense was so limited. This offense is well rounded, and I’m hoping they tighten things up as the season progresses. New QB and new OC - I’m giving them the benefit of the doubt that they will improve.


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So what if they are dynamic. It’s more important to be effective. The old Peyton Manning colts offenses were very limited but they were very effective. 

[Walking Boot of Doom 18,170]

So what if they are dynamic. It’s more important to be effective. The old Peyton Manning colts offenses were very limited but they were very effective. 

Last year’s offense was limited and ineffective so....

Im talking potential here man. We watched one game. Did you watch what Penix did in the second half?


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[BGVille Hoosierfan 2,882]

So because Penix beat a Ball State team that won 4 games last year by a whopping 10 points he's suddenly the savior that can win the big games for us? I don't know which game you were watching, but we were nowhere near hanging 50+ points on them. It was not the defense's fault that we didn't do that. People are really trying hard to convince themselves that this year is going to be different. 

Nobody said he is the savior I was just pointing out that last year we scored more points on Ball State but that wasn’t because of Ramsey which is what Brass Cannon alluded to. As far winning the big games, that remains to be determined. I was just stating the fact that we know what we’re getting with Ramsey and that he just doesn’t cut it so why would we continue to stick with him.


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[Brass Cannon 24,068]

1 minute ago, Walking Boot of Doom said:

Last year’s offense was limited and ineffective so....

Im talking potential here man. We watched one game. Did you watch what Penix did in the second half?


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It was about as effective than this one though?  

Okay?  A good second half so what Ramsey had a good second half last year against Ball State didn’t mean crap at the end of the day when conference play started.

Penix threw it 40 times racking up the yards isn’t exactly unexpected   He completed 60 percent of his passes and had more picks than TDs.  So maybe he’s dynamic but big deal

[Brass Cannon 24,068]

1 minute ago, jbell833 said:

Nobody said he is the savior I was just pointing out that last year we scored more points on Ball State but that wasn’t because of Ramsey which is what Brass Cannon alluded to. As far winning the big games, that remains to be determined. I was just stating the fact that we know what we’re getting with Ramsey and that he just doesn’t cut it so why would we continue to stick with him.


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Not really really about Ramsey per se. just that last years offense while being less of a buzz word was more effective 

[Hoosierfan2017 19,902]

12 minutes ago, jbell833 said:

Nobody said he is the savior I was just pointing out that last year we scored more points on Ball State but that wasn’t because of Ramsey which is what Brass Cannon alluded to. As far winning the big games, that remains to be determined. I was just stating the fact that we know what we’re getting with Ramsey and that he just doesn’t cut it so why would we continue to stick with him.


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We know what we're getting with Ramsey when he's coached by a horrible offensive coordinator. Would he be the same with the new one? Maybe, who knows. Our defense is bad, and our offense had one drive that lasted 4 minutes or more. That's a really bad combination. We need to be able to run the ball, and struggling to do that against ball state is not a good sign.