(2020) SF Jordan Geronimo to Maryland

[Walking Boot of Doom 18,170]

Two five stars and and a high 4 star were good enough to contribute. Hardly an accomplishment. 

Yes they made improvements but nothing that people didn’t see coming. He didn’t fail them but he hardly did anything special. 

You think Bryant suddenly developed a perimeter game on his own?

 

Yogi at 5’9” was certain to end up one of the best PGs in the country and become an NBA player? Troy Williams was OUT OF CONTROL and a bit Bambi on ice like - he really matured his game.

 

A made a completely qualified and toned down comment that we can’t discredit Crean’s player development with all the examples. You come in and say 5 and 4 stars were going to end up where the ended up with or without Crean.

 

Which statement sounds more reasonable?

 

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[Brass Cannon 24,064]

1 minute ago, Walking Boot of Doom said:

You think Bryant suddenly developed a perimeter game on his own?

Yogi at 5’9” was certain to end up one of the best PGs in the country and become an NBA player?


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Yeah his perimeter game was so good. Definitely something to brag about 

Yogi Ferrell wasn’t 5’9” and was a 5 star prospect for a reason. 

So do you usually make up facts to back up your point?  Is that what you do after crying logical fallacy. 

[Brass Cannon 24,064]

Or wait are you trying to claim Crean can teach Height?

[Walking Boot of Doom 18,170]

5’11” in shoes? I don’t remember, my bad. He was undersized. It was never a guarantee he’d make the league.

Thomas Bryant’s ability to play out on the perimeter and shoot from the perimeter absolutely developed during his time at Indiana. I’m not saying he was a 3-point specialist or the best, but it was a new element to his game that w developed and definitely aided his draft value.

From Crimson Quarry:

“In general, Bryant’s mobility is a big positive. In a league trending smaller, Bryant’s ability to play on the perimeter is massive. More than just knocking down perimeter jumpers, Bryant can drag defenders away from the rim and help space the floor.”

From DraftExpress:

“The most positive development in Bryant's game from his freshman to sophomore season was the strides that he took as an outside shooting threat. After hitting just 33% on .8 attempts last season, Bryant's 3-point percentage jumped to 38.3% on a much higher 2.5 attempts per game as a sophomore. While he is by no means a knock-down floor spacing option yet, his improved stroke is a welcome sight for someone who generally relied on his size as an offensive threat. He wasn't featured heavily as a spot up option off the ball, but he was extremely effective when he was, ranking in the 99th percentile in spot up situations per Synergy Sports. He has a fairly flat trajectory on his shot, but he has a compact release with a clean follow through that should continue to improve and be a part of his offensive arsenal down the line at the professional level.”


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[Old Friend 8,389]

9 hours ago, Brass Cannon said:

Other than Oladipo and OG I wouldn’t say that we had any truly remarkable players develop under Crean. And even OG was an unfinished product drafted a great deal for potential. Maybe I’m wrong and forgetting somebody but seems to me everybody else he “developed” was either a 5 star or high four talent. Or an upper classmen that was serviceable.

Morgan showed flashes but truly put everything together under Miller. 

I'm certainly not here to dance on anyone's grave, but (and I'm in complete agreement with you), but I know one of his former players pretty well, and the area of "player development" was low on Crean's list.   His "x and o" library was large and he demanded effort; but he was not a developer of players.   

Having said that, the scope under Crean was to bring in talent and stockpile it every year; so there really weren't many 4 year kids who came in one player and left another.   We'll see under Miller.  Damezi Anderson needs to develop.  Some of that's on him, some on Miller.  Same with Justin Smith.   

I have been as hard as anyone on Green, and I saw real development in him last year.  To the point I'm really rooting for him, now.  It was like a light went on in February; and I saw a completely different player (still with similar skills, but the details - angles, etc - and decision making were FAR better).   To me, that's at least partially on Miller and his staff.

Skill development?  Jury's out.  DeRon Davis' back to the basket game improves?  Durham becomes a more effective shooter/scorer/defender?   Smith and Anderson show progress (as examples)?  I'll be very happy because all 3 freshmen next year and I suspect the 2 this season will need some development as well.

[Honkyman 1,670]

After years of criticizing him, some IU fans just can't bring themselves to admit Crean had any good qualities.  Obviously, there weren't enough to justify keeping him as IU's coach and IU is better off with Archie. But the fact is Crean was able to spot talent in players that others missed and several players (Oladipo, Bryant, Anunoby, Wade) developed well when he was their coach. I"m not sure why it matters now. Archie is IU's coach and it remains to be seen how well players develop under his system. Hopefully, we will see some real improvement this season with key players like Justin Smith, Durham, Green, and others.

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54 minutes ago, Honkyman said:

After years of criticizing him, some IU fans just can't bring themselves to admit Crean had any good qualities.  Obviously, there weren't enough to justify keeping him as IU's coach and IU is better off with Archie. But the fact is Crean was able to spot talent in players that others missed and several players (Oladipo, Bryant, Anunoby, Wade) developed well when he was their coach. I"m not sure why it matters now. Archie is IU's coach and it remains to be seen how well players develop under his system. Hopefully, we will see some real improvement this season with key players like Justin Smith, Durham, Green, and others.

Show me where this is accurate.  Show me where some fans have indicated he was 100% "bad."   

[Brass Cannon 24,064]

Thomas Bryant was a 5 Star Talent that got drafted in the second round. Why are people now claiming this was an example of Creans development?

OG was an unfinished product drafted based on where Pro Teams thought they could take him not where Tom Crean took him. 

As already stated Oladipo was self developed. 

So your left with Wade. 1 guy, developing one player does not make you great at player development.  Otherwise Lebron James High school coach is the greatest ever.  

[mdn82 25,456]

I thought Crean did really well with Sheehey, Oladipo, Watford, Yogi, OG, amongst others. There are others I think he did a disservice to like Tom and Blackmon. Sometimes player development isn’t as much reaching new skills as it is changing a mentality and I thought he didn’t do a good job with those two. Maybe even Cody but Cody was still drafted in the top 5 so it’s hard to say even with a weak draft IU and Crean did nothing for him. But I have yet to be around a leader that had zero impact on me that I spend 40 hours a week for years on. If you guys have let me know what that’s like. I have no clue. But how is Crean having an effect on Jordan Geronimo?

 

 

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[hoosierbgh 1,227]

17 hours ago, Brass Cannon said:

Thomas Bryant was a 5 Star Talent that got drafted in the second round. Why are people now claiming this was an example of Creans development?

OG was an unfinished product drafted based on where Pro Teams thought they could take him not where Tom Crean took him. 

As already stated Oladipo was self developed. 

So your left with Wade. 1 guy, developing one player does not make you great at player development.  Otherwise Lebron James High school coach is the greatest ever.  

What amazing progress! It only took a little over a decade for Crean to get a little credit for developing Wade.

[Uspshoosier 44,205]

He is signing his LOI Monday or Tuesday at his high school


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[mdn82 25,456]

So excited for this kid. I truly think this is another Al. A kid that can give useful minutes early in his career. Then blossom into a stud later on.


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[WayneFleekHoosier 46,727]

So excited for this kid. I truly think this is another Al. A kid that can give useful minutes early in his career. Then blossom into a stud later on.


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Tons of potential plus a great mindset. Seems like a good recipe.


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[HoosierAloha 29,887]

So excited for this kid. I truly think this is another Al. A kid that can give useful minutes early in his career. Then blossom into a stud later on.


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And it’s great that we should have the depth to allow him to figure things out his first year or two. We should be solid on the wing for the foreseeable future. I’d love to see a Geronimo - (Jr) Hunter in a few years at the 2/3.


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[Uspshoosier 44,205]

He is signing his LOI Monday or Tuesday at his high school


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According to his Instagram he is officially signed.


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[Demo 17,327]

File this one away for future reference: Geronimo and St Paul play at Terrance Clarke/Matt Cross and Brewster Academy on 1/17. The game will be streamed on the Brewster website.

[Class of '66 Old Fart 80,940]

Nice background story on Geronimo.

https://indianahq.com/get-to-know-jordan-geronimo/

 

[Stromboli 6,055]

28 minutes ago, Class of '66 Old Fart said:

Nice background story on Geronimo.

https://indianahq.com/get-to-know-jordan-geronimo/

 

Old Fart, I hope you can track down plenty of game reports on Jordan’s senior year. As a guy just becoming self-aware, I’d bet there will be a big bump in production. 
 

For those that haven’t seen it, it’s his birthday. Here’s a screenshot of one post:

 

 

[Class of '66 Old Fart 80,940]

2 hours ago, Stromboli said:

Old Fart, I hope you can track down plenty of game reports on Jordan’s senior year.

So do I.  Getting harder to do as local newspapers keep shrinking staff and instead of going out and getting stories wait for the stories to be delivered to their door.  I've got some potential sources targetted and we'll see if they pan out or not.  His season opener is this coming Saturday.  

[Class of '66 Old Fart 80,940]

St. Paul's Basketball  -  Never been one to emphasize "follow your shot" but I think we can make an exception on this one.  @JordanGeronimo2  with 20 points in just 3 quarters of our opening scrimmage vs. Proctor Academy.