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2019 Off-Season IU Roster News and Moves

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3 minutes ago, Class of '66 Old Fart said:

Losing that many players at one time is unsettling to say the least but if some of them felt like they should have been playing 20+ minutes/game and couldn't see their own limitations/deficiencies in practice then what was going to motivate them to improve?  This is wild speculation on my part but I think the decisions on Archie's part were made in the middle of the losing streak and he started putting out feelers (however you do it within full NCAA compliance) at that time.  I'm hopeful we get a firm commit from Brunk (2 yr. eligibility) and then I expect to land another grad transfer (1 yr. eligibility) and at least 1 more freshman or sophomore transfer who will have to lay out a year.  Add in Beverly or Quinones plus one more true freshman.  I didn't keep track so I probably have us oversold on schollies.   lol

Remember I said I was told this was going to happen but not from anyone on staff, only from a former player. Not even a former player I talk to often so don't know if it's true or not, just sharing the info. 

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I know I shouldn't be in this day and age, but I am surprised at how quick some of these players are to leave a program like IU just for the sake of more playing time, etc.  In the past, transfers happened because of personal conflicts with coaches, when it's needed for player and coach to move on.  Rick Calloway, Luke Recker, and Jason Collier come to mind under Coach Knight. Now, players that are getting a free, high quality education from one of the best schools in the country want to transfer to chase their dreams of a basketball career in the NBA.  I partly blame coaches, but I really blame parents and "handlers" of these kids. They fill their heads with an unrealistic future where the NBA awaits them when the reality is that less than 2% of NCAA players make it to the NBA.  No one wants to be a role player or work their way onto the floor by out hustling, out working their teammates for a spot to prove themselves.   They would rather transfer to another school, sit a year in most cases, and then vie for a shot at a lower level school where they may not have to work quite as hard to get seen.  There are THOUSANDS of high school kids in Indiana who would KILL for just a shot to be on the bench and shot to try to prove themselves!  Seriously - Who in the world is telling Clifton Moore and Jake Forrester that they have a better shot elsewhere???  Insanity!!!   Best case scenario, Clifton and Jake go to a mid to lower tier Big East, AAC, or C-USA team.  Sit a year, and then gets 15-20 minutes a game, averaging less than 10 points per game.  Is that really worth transferring for?  It's not going to make a lick of difference in their basketball future.  These kids get so wrapped up in their own hype and what people around him are telling him to do that the lose sight of reality - that not all players, even those who work hard and have talent, see the floor.         

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2 hours ago, LamarCheeks said:

I'm curious as to what you mean by this? ... Not doubting you at all, I'm just wondering what "the players have been told" means? ... I thought with Fred's "Bill of Rights," once an athlete was on scholarship, as long as he or she remained in good academic standing, etc., the scholarship  was guaranteed for four years -- and he or she couldn't be forced to leave? ... Or is it a matter of Archie and the staff just saying, "Look, you don't fit into what we're trying to do. You can stay, but it's likely you won't see a minute of playing time the rest of your career." And that fella figures he'd rather play than ride the pine, so he decides to transfer? 

This is a misconception. The Student athlete bill of rights guarantees their school is paid for. It doesn’t mean they have a spot on the team. The staff can kick them off the team. That player can stay at IU, get a free degree, but he does not count as a basketball scholarship player. So the team gets another scholarship to give out to a recruit. 

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This is a misconception. The Student athlete bill of rights guarantees their school is paid for. It doesn’t mean they have a spot on the team. The staff can kick them off the team. That player can stay at IU, get a free degree, but he does not count as a basketball scholarship player. So the team gets another scholarship to give out to a recruit. 

Yes. I am so glad this is catching on. The bill of rights is not a bad thing, people, including the media, just have misrepresented it on numerous occasions and haven’t actually read it.

Regardless of your feelings with the administration, the bill of rights does not hinder Archie.


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So is it too late in the day now for any news on more transfers I’m guessing? I know Chris007 said he heard either today or the weekend, but maybe today won’t be it. 

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My goodness after reading all of the posts from last night, it must have been a wet Wednesday with some mid-week drinking. Jake was a reach, to begin with, and if he couldn't get any time on the floor during a losing streak then it was best that he moves on. Race was in concussion protocol for over a month and came back to pass him on the depth chart immediately. You need 3 maybe 4 good big men to compete in the Big Ten. We have Davis, Brunk :-), TJD and Thompson. Everyone calm down. Meetings will be over by the end of the day so this might be the last one besides Romeo. 

I could be mistaken but I thought you had said that Archie and the staff when recruiting Forrester thought he would be all-bigten in his career at IU? Am I thinking of someone else?


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4 hours ago, Brass Cannon said:

A new article?  Could you share the link?

Interview with Rabjohns on Peegs. Basically knows the IU culture. 3.9 GPA from Butler. Ole Miss seems to be the only other school recruiting him. I'd be shocked if he isn't a Hoosier. This team just needs guys that want to play for IU no matter their role. 

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10 hours ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

Chris Clarke will be a grad transfer from VaTech. He was suspended this year.

Marijuana suspension I believe. He’s a good player. Probably not worth the risk but he’s borderline starter material for us.


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I'm pretty sure he was a Crean target as well. 

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