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Just now, Kepner said:

Does the APR situation allow for a handful of departures? I thought that was an issue

I'm not sure, exactly.   I know it's mostly a measure of how scholarship athletes perform academically; and I THINK it matters if the kids who leave are in academic trouble....meaning they were struggling.    Lots of schools have kids leave for myriad reasons, so I don't believe it's an issue...but I truly don't know.

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Just now, Old Friend said:

I'm not sure, exactly.   I know it's mostly a measure of how scholarship athletes perform academically; and I THINK it matters if the kids who leave are in academic trouble....meaning they were struggling.    Lots of schools have kids leave for myriad reasons, so I don't believe it's an issue...but I truly don't know.

Well I have read several times from IU best writers that the reason Archie didn’t overhaul the roster when he came in is because the APR seas so bad that kicking a bunch of guys off would’ve resulted in a postseason ban because of the APR

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Sometimes players play better in games than they do in practice. It can also be a downward spiral for someone like Jakel that if you're not playing in games, why would you practice harder? I get that if you're not playing you should practice harder to prove yourself. But lets say you practice harder for weeks and still don't see the court, its so easy to give up. Especially when you see players that you think you're better than end up playing ahead of you. It totally makes sense if he gave up and was negative about the entire situation, didn't like the coaching and then drug other players down to his level. Its easy to see multiple players upset at the coaching decisions and acting out behind closed doors or in the locker room when the coach isn't around.
 
From a coaching standpoint, if you only have Fitzner for 1 year and you have Jake for 4, wouldn't it make more sense to play your freshman more to give them that experience so they can contribute more effectively in year 2 and 3? Especially during the 12 game skid...
 
I get everyone's viewpoint, but from the outside looking in, I just don't get why we would make excuses. It reminds me of 2012-2013 when Cody Zeller won the 3pt contest in Hoosier Hysteria and then Crean refused to let him shoot it from outside. A lot of people on sites like this said the same things defending Archie this year as they did Crean. Then in 2015 Wisconsin (with a similar team) let Kamisky shoot the 3 whenever he was open and was feeling it. I'm having flashbacks to the Crean years when everyone was making excuses after excuses defending the coach... Full disclosure is that I think we should Fire Archie for Chris Beard; and knowing that will never happen; I think he should get next year to prove himself. But to call questionable coaching decisions anything other than questionable coaching decisions is anything but helpful when we are trying to resurrect the program and take it back to greatness.

I tend to agree with almost all of this. I don’t want Archie fired though.

I think he’s learning some tough lessons. IMO this team didn’t mesh with Archie. I don’t want to read into things, but not a single senior specifically thanked Archie. That’s a bad look.

I fully agree, some guys are gamers. Jake and Clifton always looked better to me than Fitzner in limited minutes.

I think Archie felt he could trust Fitzner better, and Fitzner was a better practice player.

Idk, I’m not mad about losing who we lost because we desperately need roster turnover. I just think Archie had a rough year with this team.

I actually think Romeo should have been benched at times too. Smith for sure, and he eventually did forever late.


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Could the reason Moore and Jake never played over Fitzner was because the decision to part ways had already been made thus the concept of building for the future was moot?
I do not believe that. Jake always cheered like crazy and seemed into it. Archie just clearly thought he could not give valuable minutes. I have not been super happy with archie but he isnt playing to lose so there was a reason he did not play.



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59 minutes ago, Bailey7878 said:

I guess but we are not at practice and ive made it known im not a fitzner fan so trust me i would rather of had him on the bench. So whats your theory why he would not play jake?

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I think he just trusted too much in the senior to figure it out, that he felt Fitzner was experienced enough to put out there and eventually come through. Well, he didn't. It started off hot in game one and went into a downward spiral from there. He couldn't score, rebound, defend. Nothing. Sure Moore and Forrester had their issues. That much was obvious from their limited minutes. But with those deficiencies they also brought things to the table that our other bigs couldn't. More specifically Fitzner.  

I think Archie kept hoping Fitzner would start hitting 3's, something this team so desperately needed. It just didn't happen. And the two guys who played hard and showed some flashes when given the chance were glued to the bench. I just didn't agree with it. By no means is this a "fire Archie" argument from me. But this season was bad for a multitude of reasons and this is one I had an issue with. 

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I think he just trusted too much in the senior to figure it out, that he felt Fitzner was experienced enough to put out there and eventually come through. Well, he didn't. It started off hot in game one and went into a downward spiral from there. He couldn't score, rebound, defend. Nothing. Sure Moore and Forrester had their issues. That much was obvious from their limited minutes. But with those deficiencies they also brought things to the table that our other bigs couldn't. More specifically Fitzner.  
I think Archie kept hoping Fitzner would start hitting 3's, something this team so desperately needed. It just didn't happen. And the two guys who played hard and showed some flashes when given the chance were glued to the bench. I just didn't agree with it. By no means is this a "fire Archie" argument from me. But this season was bad for a multitude of reasons and this is one I had an issue with. 
Like i said i did not like fitzner at all. He was terrible but archie must have seen something not to play jake.

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6 hours ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:


I tend to agree with almost all of this. I don’t want Archie fired though.

I think he’s learning some tough lessons. IMO this team didn’t mesh with Archie. I don’t want to read into things, but not a single senior specifically thanked Archie. That’s a bad look.

I fully agree, some guys are gamers. Jake and Clifton always looked better to me than Fitzner in limited minutes.

I think Archie felt he could trust Fitzner better, and Fitzner was a better practice player.

Idk, I’m not mad about losing who we lost because we desperately need roster turnover. I just think Archie had a rough year with this team.

I actually think Romeo should have been benched at times too. Smith for sure, and he eventually did forever late.


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I believe you're correct on most of this. Your last paragraph? When you tell players you do or do not want specific things done and they blatantly disobey? You lose their respect and the respect of the other players as well. I thought the frustration was very evident on Archie's face and in his body language this year. More so than last year. It'll be interesting to see how this offseason continues to play out and what transpires next season. I really think the next 12 months are make or break time for Archie. Hope he makes it. 

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I'm not sure, exactly.   I know it's mostly a measure of how scholarship athletes perform academically; and I THINK it matters if the kids who leave are in academic trouble....meaning they were struggling.    Lots of schools have kids leave for myriad reasons, so I don't believe it's an issue...but I truly don't know.

You are correct. As long as they complete the school year and leave on good academic standing it isn’t an issue or I think we would have saw a lot of this go down in January.


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My goodness after reading all of the posts from last night, it must have been a wet Wednesday with some mid-week drinking. Jake was a reach, to begin with, and if he couldn't get any time on the floor during a losing streak then it was best that he moves on. Race was in concussion protocol for over a month and came back to pass him on the depth chart immediately. You need 3 maybe 4 good big men to compete in the Big Ten. We have Davis, Brunk :-), TJD and Thompson. Everyone calm down. Meetings will be over by the end of the day so this might be the last one besides Romeo. 

Just wondering, what do you make of the visit with quinones? Any real shot?


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14 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

My goodness after reading all of the posts from last night, it must have been a wet Wednesday with some mid-week drinking. Jake was a reach, to begin with, and if he couldn't get any time on the floor during a losing streak then it was best that he moves on. Race was in concussion protocol for over a month and came back to pass him on the depth chart immediately. You need 3 maybe 4 good big men to compete in the Big Ten. We have Davis, Brunk :-), TJD and Thompson. Everyone calm down. Meetings will be over by the end of the day so this might be the last one besides Romeo. 

For many -- and not just Farmer Ted -- it apparently was a pretty traumatic day ... 
 

 

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