2019 Off-Season IU Roster News and Moves

[mamasa 14,818]

Just talked w/ a different co-worker who had lunch w/ one of the managers on the team.  Nothing new or ground-breaking, but he said that there is no "family" atmosphere on the team, everyone playing for themselves.    The interesting thing I was told is that the assistant coaches are "a big part of it"- I asked my friend what his friend meant- he said that they don't really foster a team vibe.  Said that Romeo is almost 100% gone.  Also said that there are no alphas on this team (which we all definitely could see). Obviously, the manager can't/won't say a lot, but I'll take any news I can get.  

[Hoosierfan2017 19,887]

This is a great article on Devonte.

 

[ElectricBoogaloo 4,293]

4 minutes ago, mamasa said:

Just talked w/ a different co-worker who had lunch w/ one of the managers on the team.  Nothing new or ground-breaking, but he said that there is no "family" atmosphere on the team, everyone playing for themselves.    The interesting thing I was told is that the assistant coaches are "a big part of it"- I asked my friend what his friend meant- he said that they don't really foster a team vibe.  Said that Romeo is almost 100% gone.  Also said that there are no alphas on this team (which we all definitely could see). Obviously, the manager can't/won't say a lot, but I'll take any news I can get.  

If that's the case, I hope the changes aren't only to the players.

[LamarCheeks 16,823]

6 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

This is a great article on Devonte.

 

I just finished reading this 2 min. ago and was gonna post it. You beat me to it by a minute. Agree w/ you -- very interesting story. I absolutely cannot fathom growing up without my mom. Makes he have a little different appreciation for Devonte. 

[Class of '66 Old Fart 80,956]

Inside The Hall starting its series of season end wrap-up articles and today's is about Damezi.  Worth a read.

https://www.insidethehall.com/2019/04/02/thats-a-wrap-damezi-anderson/

[Magnanimous 4,399]

13 minutes ago, mamasa said:

Just talked w/ a different co-worker who had lunch w/ one of the managers on the team.  Nothing new or ground-breaking, but he said that there is no "family" atmosphere on the team, everyone playing for themselves.    The interesting thing I was told is that the assistant coaches are "a big part of it"- I asked my friend what his friend meant- he said that they don't really foster a team vibe.  Said that Romeo is almost 100% gone.  Also said that there are no alphas on this team (which we all definitely could see). Obviously, the manager can't/won't say a lot, but I'll take any news I can get.  

Not much was left for Archie “leadership” wise when he came to town. Crean didn’t foster that culture at all outside of the Hulls class. Juwan may  have played like it on the court but who knows what the locker room was like. When everyone he came to IU with left early and his coach got fired halfway through his career, it’s understandable if he was looking out for himself. Freshmen aren’t going to take on that role, especially when one is getting all the hype and has one foot out the door the second he came to IU. Devonte and Smith have tended to play for themselves and Davis had injuries to deal with.

I expect Rob to become the guy who will set the level of expectations for his teammates going forward. He will be the anchor to establishing Archie’s culture for the program.

Sounds like Archie is going to be shaking some things up this offseason, and it’s much needed. He’s been here two years now and the gloves need to come off. You can tell with how he’s acted with the media that he has felt like a guest in Bloomington up until this point, but it’s his team and in a way his town now. He needs to start acting like it and do what needs to get done to right this ship.

[Class of '66 Old Fart 80,956]

Very enlightening article about Devonte and the environment he grew up in.   Kudos to his father for making the best of a bad situation and not abandoning his family.

[Class of '66 Old Fart 80,956]

14 minutes ago, mamasa said:

Just talked w/ a different co-worker who had lunch w/ one of the managers on the team.  Nothing new or ground-breaking, but he said that there is no "family" atmosphere on the team, everyone playing for themselves.    The interesting thing I was told is that the assistant coaches are "a big part of it"- I asked my friend what his friend meant- he said that they don't really foster a team vibe.  Said that Romeo is almost 100% gone.  Also said that there are no alphas on this team (which we all definitely could see). Obviously, the manager can't/won't say a lot, but I'll take any news I can get.  

The comment about the assistant coaches is particularly disturbing if it is indeed a fact or even a partial fact.  And if it is factual does Archie recognize it and do something about it?

[rcbowla 6,733]

This is a great article on Devonte.
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Sure sounds like he is staying in Bloomington. Also his dad sounds like he understands and doesn't overreact. Good read.

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[ebridges24 2,285]

32 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

This is a great article on Devonte.

 

Had no idea his mother left when he was a child, that had to be tough.

[LamarCheeks 16,823]

36 minutes ago, mamasa said:

Just talked w/ a different co-worker who had lunch w/ one of the managers on the team.  Nothing new or ground-breaking, but he said that there is no "family" atmosphere on the team, everyone playing for themselves.    The interesting thing I was told is that the assistant coaches are "a big part of it"- I asked my friend what his friend meant- he said that they don't really foster a team vibe.  Said that Romeo is almost 100% gone.  Also said that there are no alphas on this team (which we all definitely could see). Obviously, the manager can't/won't say a lot, but I'll take any news I can get.  

Coaching is as much about relationships as it is about Xs and Os and strategy and film sessions and preparation. This is just my own speculation, but Archie doesn't seem as if he's the kind of guy who will build strong, lasting relationships with players. He seems very Tom Landry-like. Perhaps somebody with more insight into the program would know more, but Archie just seems to be the type who wants to coach practices, coach film sessions, coach games and be done with it -- and not necessarily get close with his players. Crean was kinda goofy, but it seemed as if, for the most part, he had a pretty good relationship with his players. He loved them; they loved him ... I remember in "Miracle," Kurt Russell (Herb Brooks) said: "I'll be your coach, but I won't be your friend." ... Again, just my opinion, but I think in this day and age, you have to be more. Not necessarily a friend, but someone with whom you can build a relationship. Archie just seems very business-like and distant. Maybe it's the players -- and when Archie gets all his own guys in there, that'll change. Not sure. But it does seem like something's missing in that respect. 

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13 minutes ago, LamarCheeks said:

I just finished reading this 2 min. ago and was gonna post it. You beat me to it by a minute. Agree w/ you -- very interesting story. I absolutely cannot fathom growing up without my mom. Makes he have a little different appreciation for Devonte. 

Really good, and this is a big part of why I'm very uncomfortable with some of the personal criticisms that often get made toward players. We really don't know what these guys are thinking, what they've been through, or what they're going through. Yes, Devonte is often an undisciplined basketball player. But he's a young guy, who's had to deal with a lot of terrible things in his life that most of us will fortunately never have to. And that's clearly impacted him. Being abandoned by your mom is no doubt extremely scarring. Having your dad in prison is going to impact you too. Mark Titus always talks about how fans never really understand how players can be impacted by the personal distractions going on in their lives. Players can be frustrating, but it's good to err on the side of empathy...

Good to see in the article that Devonte seems pretty committed to the team and that his dad seems to have a good perspective. Hopefully he and Rob continue to work well together and both make big jumps next year! 

[ebridges24 2,285]

28 minutes ago, Class of '66 Old Fart said:

The comment about the assistant coaches is particularly disturbing if it is indeed a fact or even a partial fact.  And if it is factual does Archie recognize it and do something about it?

He has to do something, that's the kind of thing that will keep this program in the sh!tter.

[Stromboli 6,055]

I feel like I'm able to empathize with Archie sometimes.  This is his big chance and he knows it.  He moved his family here, he cashed in all of his chips and bet on himself here.  This opportunity must work for him, for so many reasons.  And so he's got all of this pressure, and it is seeping through, not always in the best ways.  I think he was a little high strung last year and early on this year.  I think the loss of confidence was at least partially due to Archie transferring some of that pressure on the guys.  As the losses mounted, Archie withdrew a little bit, and to me it felt like he was going through a learning moment.  He held his composure and did not throw guys under the bus or anything, but I think he also became pretty resolute that he needs to churn out some wins, and any players not on board to do that will be disposed of.  I like to think that after he sees some success and settles down from these pressure-filled midlife years, he'll be warmer and more affable with his players.  At this point, he does not have that security, and so he'll continue to be colder and harsher. 

 

I hope that he does find ways to be more effective in encouraging the guys.  The old "beatings will continue until morale improves" approach may not work when getting guys to play loosely and confidently.  The article on Devonte explores that to some extent.  Like it or not, there's a human element here, and an effective leader acknowledges that there may be different approaches that can yield better results.

 

I'm seeing some complaints about the assistant coaches; no shot doctor, no offensive guru, no family atmosphere, apparently no halftime speeches/advice from anyone.  It will be something to follow.  

[Stuhoo 75,564]

 

Seems like the past year's team missed Freddie McSwain and Colin Hartman off the court quite a bit.

 

[HoosierFan1994 4,609]

13 minutes ago, Iugradman said:

This program is a wreck behind the scenes. What a dumpster fire. Sounds like it won’t get better anytime soon. Hopefully this will be the end of Fred Glass’ time at IU.

I just don't understand why nobody stepped in when our APR was getting bad. It really hurt Archie in gettting rid/getting players his first two years. 

[Capt. Crimson 3,395]

20 minutes ago, Iugradman said:

This program is a wreck behind the scenes. What a dumpster fire. Sounds like it won’t get better anytime soon. Hopefully this will be the end of Fred Glass’ time at IU.

Why don't you just log off for a while and we'll tell you when it's good to come back?

[mdn82 25,456]

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[mdn82 25,456]

Why don't you just log off for a while and we'll tell you when it's good to come back?

It’s just nuts cause it’s every post. It takes effort to keep up the annoyance level for this long.


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[Stuhoo 75,564]

29 minutes ago, Iugradman said:

This program is a wreck behind the scenes. What a dumpster fire. Sounds like it won’t get better anytime soon. Hopefully this will be the end of Fred Glass’ time at IU.

 

^^Edited to remove redundancies^^