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Str8Hoosiers

Statistical Analysis of IU

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@Old Friend I would like to hear your thoughts on some of these numbers.... 

Not trying to call you out or anything, but your comments in the Watford recruiting thread are what started my journey here... and I didn't want to take that thread off the rails...

Your specific grievance appeared to be the fact that Green has 0 Offense Rebounds this season... (I admit I originally read your post as 0 rebounds and I knew there was no way that was true so I went and researched for myself).

But looking at these stats Green has 0 but Durham only has 1 & Phinisee only has 2 while both have played considerably more minutes that Green. I believe this is the outcome of design... the PG's job per Archie (I am assuming not quoting him) is to get back to the defensive end of the floor, not crash the offensive glass.

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58 minutes ago, Str8Hoosiers said:

@Old Friend I would like to hear your thoughts on some of these numbers.... 

Not trying to call you out or anything, but your comments in the Watford recruiting thread are what started my journey here... and I didn't want to take that thread off the rails...

Your specific grievance appeared to be the fact that Green has 0 Offense Rebounds this season... (I admit I originally read your post as 0 rebounds and I knew there was no way that was true so I went and researched for myself).

But looking at these stats Green has 0 but Durham only has 1 & Phinisee only has 2 while both have played considerably more minutes that Green. I believe this is the outcome of design... the PG's job per Archie (I am assuming not quoting him) is to get back to the defensive end of the floor, not crash the offensive glass.

It was "a" specific grievance not "the" specific grievance.   And there because he's such a gifted athlete and playmaker.  Kids like that should be able to ball hawk better than he does.  Any improvement in Green's numbers has come in the last 2 games when he has admittedly been much better.   My problem with him has been the eyeball test, shot selection, and turnover rate.  

When I typed that, he was averaging over 5 turnovers per 40 minutes and shooting 33% from the floor.  He has been better the last 2 games and his numbers are a little better, but still has made some very careless plays which were something other than fundamentally sound.   He is a "playmaker" sometimes, but that comes at a price sometimes, too.

 

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52 minutes ago, Old Friend said:

It was "a" specific grievance not "the" specific grievance.   And there because he's such a gifted athlete and playmaker.  Kids like that should be able to ball hawk better than he does.  Any improvement in Green's numbers has come in the last 2 games when he has admittedly been much better.   My problem with him has been the eyeball test, shot selection, and turnover rate.  

When I typed that, he was averaging over 5 turnovers per 40 minutes and shooting 33% from the floor.  He has been better the last 2 games and his numbers are a little better, but still has made some very careless plays which were something other than fundamentally sound.   He is a "playmaker" sometimes, but that comes at a price sometimes, too.

 

Understand, and like I said I wasn't trying to call you out or anything, I just thought is was interesting and you are the one that got me thinking about it.

You said 221 minutes though and he currently has only 170 so I wasn't sure of the source of data. (Or my data could be wrong).

My question though is with his athletic ability you believe he should ball hawk better specifically on the offensive glass?  He is #2 in steals and #1 in steals per minute played so that confirms his ball hawk ability to me, I would assume especially by looking at the other PGs offensive rebounding numbers that they are told specifically to get back on defense and not go for the offensive rebound... would it be better if he had 1 offensive rebound per game but the opponent got even 1 additional fastbreak bucket per game because our PGs weren't getting back on defense?

He is still averaging just under 5 Turnovers per 40 minutes but his shooting appears to have gone up to 40%

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2 hours ago, Str8Hoosiers said:

Understand, and like I said I wasn't trying to call you out or anything, I just thought is was interesting and you are the one that got me thinking about it.

You said 221 minutes though and he currently has only 170 so I wasn't sure of the source of data. (Or my data could be wrong).

My question though is with his athletic ability you believe he should ball hawk better specifically on the offensive glass?  He is #2 in steals and #1 in steals per minute played so that confirms his ball hawk ability to me, I would assume especially by looking at the other PGs offensive rebounding numbers that they are told specifically to get back on defense and not go for the offensive rebound... would it be better if he had 1 offensive rebound per game but the opponent got even 1 additional fastbreak bucket per game because our PGs weren't getting back on defense?

He is still averaging just under 5 Turnovers per 40 minutes but his shooting appears to have gone up to 40%

Given what's happened today, I truly don't care about this anymore, but this is the link I used.  And I had calculated MPG x games Indiana had played, forgetting he had been out.  Mea culpa.

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/devonte-green-1.html

 

 

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About a month has gone by... here are the current Statistics:

Player MIN FGM FGA FTM FTA 3PM 3PA PTS OFFR DEFR REB AST TO STL BLK
Romeo Langford 569 107 213 90 122 15 63 319 20 74 94 43 39 14 16
Juwan Morgan 499 116 186 32 54 17 41 281 40 93 133 39 35 17 24
Justin Smith 413 58 103 23 38 2 7 141 23 44 67 12 35 11 9
Aljami Durham 392 42 93 22 29 19 46 125 1 23 24 23 24 9 3
Rob Phinisee 356 33 75 12 18 13 30 91 2 34 36 45 21 13 2
Devonte Green 331 36 98 22 27 16 45 110 1 43 44 44 27 15 3
Evan Fitzner 235 24 55 10 15 10 26 68 7 39 46 9 8 6 3
Zach McRoberts 204 4 11 0 0 3 9 11 3 30 33 9 6 10 0
De'Ron Davis 152 24 38 14 26 0 0 62 8 19 27 6 15 7 8
Damezi Anderson 134 12 31 0 1 7 21 31 2 14 16 6 7 2 0
Clifton Moore 50 7 10 3 10 0 0 17 6 15 21 4 4 3 2
Jake Forrester 28 10 15 3 7 0 0 23 5 4 9 0 3 0 2
Johnny Jager 14 0 2 0 2 0 2 0 0 2 2 1 1 2 0
Vijay Blackmon 11 3 5 0 0 1 2 7 0 1 1 1 1 0 0
Quentin Taylor 8 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 3 3 0 1 1 0
Race Thompson 4 1 1 0 0 0 0 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Totals 3400 477 937 231 349 103 292 1288 118 438 556 242 227 110 72

Romeo - Top 3 in Every category except 3 pointers made (he would be 4th). Unfortunately that also includes Turnovers. He has the ball in his hands a lot of the time but he has to value it more.

Juwan - Top 3 in every category except 3 pointers attempted and assists. Again this includes turnovers. He also has the ball many times we would be a much better team if he could turn some of those turnovers into assists. He is the heart of the team in my opinion but sometimes he tries to do too much and misses the open man. I know the consensus is we don't have shooters but if just 1 time early in a game he got it low and kicked it out and somebody knocked down a shot I think that would open everything up the rest of the game. On the other side he seems to be knocking down the 3 consistently, when Romeo drives Juwan is the unexpected guy for the defense but if Romeo can find him for the kick out that could be big as well as he is hitting at 41%.

Justin Smith - He is our #3. He isn't 1st in any category but he is firmly in 3rd in most of them. Way too low of an assist number for somebody who plays the minutes he plays. He is not great at dribbling but a few dribbles to draw the defense and find the open guy instead of bulling to the basket to turn it over would be awesome!

Rob - Even after missing some games he leads us in assists, but Devonte is right even with him. (Rob has still played more minutes than Devonte). Rob has the best Ast/TO ratio on the team.

And here are a few things the Stats say that may be surprising to many....

Devonte is 2nd in Ast/TO Ratio wile having the 4th most turnovers on the team.

De'Ron Davis is very effective in the limited minutes he gets, 2nd in pts per minute played, 3rd in rebounds per minute.

Does Jake need to play more? In very limited minutes he is #1 in Scoring per Minute & #2 in Rebounds per Minute... however also #1 in turnovers per Minute...

Surprising to me about Fitzner is he is 6th in 3 point shots attempted... if that is his strength he should be willing to shoot. However I see him as doing nothing else and having extremely bad hands however that isn't exactly the case as he is #2 among those getting minutes in Rebounds per minute.

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Player MIN FGM FGA FTM FTA 3PM 3PA PTS OFFR DEFR REB AST TO STL BLK
Romeo Langford 649 116 245 97 135 15 71 344 28 80 108 47 45 15 16
Juwan Morgan 606 135 223 41 69 18 47 329 49 113 162 47 43 22 31
Justin Smith 516 71 131 27 48 4 15 173 29 59 88 14 41 12 10
Aljami Durham 483 49 112 31 43 21 54 150 2 32 34 31 27 10 4
Rob Phinisee 442 41 107 17 25 19 48 118 5 43 48 50 24 16 2
Devonte Green 345 37 100 22 27 16 45 112 1 45 46 45 30 15 5
Zach McRoberts 275 6 19 0 0 3 15 15 4 39 43 12 7 13 0
Evan Fitzner 254 26 62 10 15 10 31 72 8 40 48 9 9 6 4
De'Ron Davis 155 24 38 14 26 0 0 62 8 20 28 6 15 7 8
Damezi Anderson 152 12 34 0 1 7 23 31 2 15 17 6 9 2 0
Clifton Moore 56 7 11 3 10 0 0 17 6 17 23 4 4 3 3
Jake Forrester 30 10 15 3 7 0 0 23 5 4 9 0 4 0 3
Johnny Jager 14 0 2 0 2 0 2 0 0 2 2 1 1 2 0
Vijay Blackmon 11 3 5 0 0 1 2 7 0 1 1 1 1 0 0
Quentin Taylor 8 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 3 3 0 1 1 0
Race Thompson 4 1 1 0 0 0 0 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Totals 4000 538 1106 265 408 114 353 1455 147 513 660 273 261 124 86

 

3 more games in the books.... Phinisee back (86 minutes in 3 games), Devonte (14) & De'Ron (3) missing lots of time....

Romeo - Over the last 3 games has dropped to our 5th scorer... and 5th in minutes (lots of Foul Trouble). 0-8 from 3 only 9-32 overall shooting (28%) and struggling from the Free throw line again (7-13). 2nd most turnovers over this 3 game stretch and as he is our 2nd leading shot blocker has not registered a single block in 3 games.

Shooting Woes - We are shooting 36% in these last 3 games (61-169), 18% on 3s (11-61), and only 57% from the line (34-59). Morgan is shooting just over 50% and Justin just under 50% nobody else is hitting anything... and from 3 it is worse... Phinisee is hitting 33% (6-18), and nobody else is better than 25%... rest of team is 11% (5-43), with nobody else hitting more than 2 in 3 games.

Ball Control - We have more turnovers than assists in the last 3 games combined. (31-34). Durham, Phinisee, & McRoberts are the only guys with a + ratio.... Morgan is even and everybody else is -

SCARY POST.... :(

 

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