Summer of 2018

[Chris007 42,066]

22 hours ago, jbell833 said:

I was at HH and from what I saw from the scrimmage ( I know it's a small sample size and it's a SCRIMMAGE), but Green looked to be the same player trying make the impossible passes with all risk very low reward type plays, took a couple quick shots and didn't even look to get Romeo the ball hardly at all. I was never a fan of him last year and he has to prove to me that he can lead this team, otherwise I start RP over him. He won't do anything flashy but he'll do everything asked of him and will make the right plays. This team with its talent/shooting, doesn't need to be making forced plays like it did last year. If I'm Archie I put Green on a VERY short leash. As far as what you said about Hunter, you were spot on. He was checking Romeo and playing physical and looked like he belonged out there just as much as anyone else and is physically ready to handle anything thrown his way.

 

 

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My question would be what did you see from RP in HH that would make you think that he needs to start over Green and Durham. To me, I didn't see anything from him to make me think he is going to get minutes at the beginning of the year. 

[Stuhoo 75,560]

 

My takeaway from (admittedly only) a 15 minute hard played clock-running scrimmage?

Al Durham could end up as the starting point, and Race Thompson is likely the first big off the bench.

 

[Brass Cannon 24,064]

10 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

 

My takeaway from (admittedly only) a 15 minute hard played clock-running scrimmage?

Al Durham could end up as the starting point, and Race Thompson is likely the first big off the bench.

 

If he can hit the perimeter shots regularly I think it has to be him tbh when looking at complete games. The starting lineup should primarily be constructed to make space for Romeo and Morgan and play defense. 

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I think the rotation will be a revolving door based on who’s playing well. This team has to much depth to say these are the 8 guys that are getting minutes and that’s it. There will be competition for playing time and that should lead to greater success at the end of the season.


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2 hours ago, Chris007 said:

My question would be what did you see from RP in HH that would make you think that he needs to start over Green and Durham. To me, I didn't see anything from him to make me think he is going to get minutes at the beginning of the year. 

Agreed. I was asked privately what I saw of Rob after my post the other day. My response was basically "He did fine, but I didn't see anything that put him over the other guards." I thought Rob did well with the group he was with, but he's not starter material and to be honest...its ok to let him watch the game, get some playing time, and grow. I will offer that I think Rob is definitely a player that can be used to make Green become better. Rob is definitely good enough to take Green's minutes if he starts playing hero ball..that's the way it should be.

I want the "best" players starting, but too often we discount experience in favor of production (be it offense or defense). As long as Green/Durham show they can run the offense effectively and defend with purpose, let Rob grow and become a force.

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Agreed. I was asked privately what I saw of Rob after my post the other day. My response was basically "He did fine, but I didn't see anything that put him over the other guards." I thought Rob did well with the group he was with, but he's not starter material and to be honest...its ok to let him watch the game, get some playing time, and grow. I will offer that I think Rob is definitely a player that can be used to make Green become better. Rob is definitely good enough to take Green's minutes if he starts playing hero ball..that's the way it should be.
I want the "best" players starting, but too often we discount experience in favor of production (be it offense or defense). As long as Green/Durham show they can run the offense effectively and defend with purpose, let Rob grow and become a force.

McRob started like 80% of the games last year, and he averaged like 4 points a game or something, but coach said he just “couldn’t keep him off the court.”


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2 hours ago, Myrmidon76 said:

Agreed. I was asked privately what I saw of Rob after my post the other day. My response was basically "He did fine, but I didn't see anything that put him over the other guards." I thought Rob did well with the group he was with, but he's not starter material and to be honest...its ok to let him watch the game, get some playing time, and grow. I will offer that I think Rob is definitely a player that can be used to make Green become better. Rob is definitely good enough to take Green's minutes if he starts playing hero ball..that's the way it should be.

I want the "best" players starting, but too often we discount experience in favor of production (be it offense or defense). As long as Green/Durham show they can run the offense effectively and defend with purpose, let Rob grow and become a force.

Why is he not starter material? What are the skills that he lacks? Or is it that he is solid but doesn't have any elite skills? Isn't overly athletic?  I'm genuinely curious as I have never seen him play.

I ask because I feel like it was practically gospel for months that Rob was underrated and would be a major contributor this year.  I'm also curious if Old Friend has seen him play at all since he's been at IU.

[Chris007 42,066]

1 hour ago, HoosierX said:

Why is he not starter material? What are the skills that he lacks? Or is it that he is solid but doesn't have any elite skills? Isn't overly athletic?  I'm genuinely curious as I have never seen him play.

I ask because I feel like it was practically gospel for months that Rob was underrated and would be a major contributor this year.  I'm also curious if Old Friend has seen him play at all since he's been at IU.

Because IMO he is not nearly ready for it. Do I think he will end up a 2-3 year starter yes but do I think he will start his freshman year over a returning junior starter no I don't. But of course, I have been wrong before. 

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2 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

Because IMO he is not nearly ready for it. Do I think he will end up a 2-3 year starter yes but do I think he will start his freshman year over a returning junior starter no I don't. But of course, I have been wrong before. 

I agree and if Rob does end up starting I REALLLLLY hope it's because he is just that good and not because Green/Durham fail. That would be bad. 

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Juwan earned the gold jersey for the first week of practice

 

 

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On 10/4/2018 at 9:32 AM, Stuhoo said:

 

My takeaway from (admittedly only) a 15 minute hard played clock-running scrimmage?

Al Durham could end up as the starting point, and Race Thompson is likely the first big off the bench.

 

I’ve said all along I think Al is a hoss. Hope I’m right.

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[Stuhoo 75,560]

Pre-season predictions for all kinds of stuff by 18 B1G beat writers. IUBB picked third in average of poll, and Romeo is the unanimous B1G freshman of the year. Juwan finishes fifth in POY predictions to sneak onto the pre-season 1st team:

 

Big Ten media 2018-19 media poll : Sheet1

		Michigan State	Michigan State	Michigan	Michigan State	Indiana	Michigan State	Michigan	Michigan State	Michigan State	Michigan State	Michigan State	Michigan	Michigan State	Michigan State	Michigan State	Michigan	Michigan State	Michigan State	Michigan State	Michigan State	Michigan State	Michigan State	Purdue	Michigan State	Michigan State	Michigan State	Michigan State
		Indiana	Michigan	Michigan State	Nebraska	Michigan State	Michigan	Michigan State	Wisconsin	Michigan	Michigan	Purdue	Michigan State	Michigan	Michigan	Michigan	Michigan State	Michigan	Michigan	Michigan	Michigan	Michigan	Michigan	Michigan State	Michigan	Michigan	Michigan	Michigan
		Nebraska	Indiana	Wisconsin	Michigan	Michigan	Nebraska	Indiana	Indiana	Indiana	Indiana	Michigan	Wisconsin	Nebraska	Nebraska	Indiana	Maryland	Nebraska	Indiana	Nebraska	Nebraska	Maryland	Purdue	Michigan	Nebraska	Nebraska	Indiana	Nebraska
		Michigan	Nebraska	Purdue	Indiana	Wisconsin	Indiana	Wisconsin	Michigan	Purdue	Purdue	Nebraska	Indiana	Indiana	Maryland	Maryland	Indiana	Wisconsin	Nebraska	Maryland	Wisconsin	Indiana	Maryland	Indiana	Indiana	Purdue	Nebraska	Wisconsin
		Wisconsin	Purdue	Indiana	Purdue	Nebraska	Wisconsin	Nebraska	Ohio State	Nebraska	Nebraska	Indiana	Nebraska	Wisconsin	Wisconsin	Nebraska	Nebraska	Indiana	Maryland	Indiana	Purdue	Wisconsin	Indiana	Ohio State	Purdue	Indiana	Purdue	Purdue
		Minnesota	Maryland	Nebraska	Minnesota	Purdue	Purdue	Purdue	Purdue	Maryland	Wisconsin	Wisconsin	Maryland	Minnesota	Indiana	Minnesota	Purdue	Maryland	Purdue	Purdue	Indiana	Nebraska	Wisconsin	Wisconsin	Maryland	Wisconsin	Maryland	Indiana
		Purdue	Wisconsin	Maryland	Penn State	Maryland	Ohio State	Ohio State	Nebraska	Wisconsin	Maryland	Maryland	Penn State	Maryland	Purdue	Purdue	Ohio State	Iowa	Wisconsin	Wisconsin	Minnesota	Purdue	Minnesota	Maryland	Minnesota	Maryland	Wisconsin	Iowa
		Ohio State	Ohio State	Ohio State	Wisconsin	Iowa	Maryland	Maryland	Minnesota	Ohio State	Minnesota	Minnesota	Purdue	Purdue	Penn State	Wisconsin	Wisconsin	Purdue	Ohio State	Penn State	Maryland	Iowa	Ohio State	Northwestern	Iowa	Iowa	Ohio State	Ohio State
		Iowa	Minnesota	Minnesota	Iowa	Ohio State	Iowa	Iowa	Iowa	Penn State	Penn State	Ohio State	Ohio State	Iowa	Ohio State	Iowa	Northwestern	Ohio State	Minnesota	Ohio State	Penn State	Penn State	Iowa	Penn State	Wisconsin	Minnesota	Penn State	Minnesota
		Maryland	Iowa	Iowa	Northwestern	Northwestern	Minnesota	Penn State	Maryland	Minnesota	Ohio State	Iowa	Minnesota	Ohio State	Northwestern	Ohio State	Minnesota	Minnesota	Penn State	Iowa	Ohio State	Illinois	Nebraska	Iowa	Penn State	Ohio State	Iowa	Maryland
		Penn State	Penn State	Penn State	Maryland	Minnesota	Northwestern	Minnesota	Northwestern	Iowa	Iowa	Penn State	Iowa	Penn State	Iowa	Northwestern	Iowa	Penn State	Iowa	Minnesota	Iowa	Ohio State	Northwestern	Nebraska	Northwestern	Penn State	Northwestern	Northwestern
		Illinois	Northwestern	Illinois	Ohio State	Penn State	Penn State	Northwestern	Penn State	Northwestern	Northwestern	Illinois	Rutgers	Illinois	Minnesota	Penn State	Penn State	Northwestern	Illinois	Northwestern	Northwestern	Minnesota	Illinois	Minnesota	Ohio State	Illinois	Minnesota	Penn State
		Northwestern	Illinois	Northwestern	Illinois	Illinois	Illinois	Illinois	Rutgers	Illinois	Illinois	Northwestern	Northwestern	Northwestern	Illinois	Illinois	Illinois	Illinois	Northwestern	Illinois	Illinois	Northwestern	Penn State	Illinois	Illinois	Northwestern	Illinois	Illinois
		Rutgers	Rutgers	Rutgers	Rutgers	Rutgers	Rutgers	Rutgers	Illinois	Rutgers	Rutgers	Rutgers	Illinois	Rutgers	Rutgers	Rutgers	Rutgers	Rutgers	Rutgers	Rutgers	Rutgers	Rutgers	Rutgers	Rutgers	Rutgers	Rutgers	Rutgers	Rutgers
	VOTER	Brendan Quinn	Adam Jardy	Bill Landis	Graham Couch	Dylan Burkhardt	Nick Baumgardner	Alex Bozich	Zach Osterman	Emily Giambalvo	Patrick Stevens	Audrey Snyder	David Jones	Joshua Newman	Jerry Carino	Marcus Fuller	Chad Leistikow	Jim Polzin	Scott Richey	Chris Basnett	Nathan Baird	Jeremy Werner	Brian Neubert	Teddy Greenstein	Mark Emmert	Shannon Ryan	Christopher Heady	Jeff Potrykus
	POY	Ethan Happ	Carsen Edwards	Carsen Edwards	Carsen Edwards	Carsen Edwards	Carsen Edwards	Ethan Happ	Carsen Edwards	Carsen Edwards	Carsen Edwards	Carsen Edwards	Carsen Edwards	Ethan Happ	Ethan Happ	Carsen Edwards	Charles Matthews	Carsen Edwards	Carsen Edwards	Carsen Edwards	Carsen Edwards	Carsen Edwards	Carsen Edwards	Carsen Edwards	Carsen Edwards	Carsen Edwards	Carsen Edwards	Carsen Edwards
	FOY	Romeo Langford	Romeo Langford	Romeo Langford	Romeo Langford	Romeo Langford	Romeo Langford	Romeo Langford	Romeo Langford	Romeo Langford	Romeo Langford	Romeo Langford	Romeo Langford	Romeo Langford	Romeo Langford	Romeo Langford	Romeo Langford	Romeo Langford	Romeo Langford	Romeo Langford	Romeo Langford	Romeo Langford	Romeo Langford	Romeo Langford	Romeo Langford	Romeo Langford	Romeo Langford	Romeo Langford
	All-Big Ten First Team	Carsen Edwards	Carsen Edwards	Carsen Edwards	Carsen Edwards	Carsen Edwards	Carsen Edwards	Carsen Edwards	Carsen Edwards	Carsen Edwards	Carsen Edwards	Carsen Edwards	Carsen Edwards	Carsen Edwards	Carsen Edwards	Carsen Edwards	Charles Matthews	Carsen Edwards	Anthony Cowan	Carsen Edwards	Carsen Edwards	Carsen Edwards	Carsen Edwards	Carsen Edwards	Carsen Edwards	Carsen Edwards	Carsen Edwards	Carsen Edwards
		Ethan Happ	Ethan Happ	Ethan Happ	Ethan Happ	Ethan Happ	Ethan Happ	Ethan Happ	Ethan Happ	Ethan Happ	Ethan Happ	Ethan Happ	Ethan Happ	Ethan Happ	Ethan Happ	Cassius Winston	Nick Ward	Cassius Winston	Carsen Edwards	James Palmer Jr.	Ethan Happ	Cassius Winston	Romeo Langford	Anthony Cowan	Ethan Happ	Ethan Happ	James Palmer Jr	James Palmer Jr.
		Cassius Winston	James Palmer Jr	James Palmer	James Palmer	Anthony Cowan Jr.	Cassius Winston	Cassius Winston	Cassius Winston	Cassius Winston	Cassius Winston	Cassius Winston	James Palmer	James Palmer	Cassius Winston	James Palmer Jr.	James Palmer Jr	Ethan Happ	James Palmer Jr	Ethan Happ	James Palmer Jr	Charles Matthews	Ethan Happ	Ethan Happ	James Palmer Jr	Juwan Morgan	Nick Ward	Ethan Happ
		James Palmer	Juwan Morgan	Nick Ward	Nick Ward	James Palmer	James Palmer	James Palmer	James Palmer	Jordan Murphy	James Palmer	Jordan Murphy	Juwan Morgan	Juwan Morgan	Nick Ward	Jordan Murphy	Carsen Edwards	Juwan Morgan	Jordan Murphy	Nick Ward	Juwan Morgan	James Palmer Jr.	Nick Ward	Isaiah Livers	Nick Ward	Cassius Winston	Ethan Happ	Juwan Morgan
		Jordan Murphy	Cassius Winston	Charles Matthews	Juwan Morgan	Romeo Langford	Romeo Langford	Romeo Langford	Juwan Morgan	Juwan Morgan	Charles Matthews	Romeo Langford	Zavier Simpson	Nick Ward	Anthony Cowan	Ethan Happ	Ethan Happ	James Palmer Jr.	Ethan Happ	Charles Matthews	Cassius Winston	Ethan Happ	Cassius Winston	Romeo Langford	Jordan Murphy	James Palmer Jr.	Juwan Morgan	Jordan Murphy

[MemphisHoosier 1,914]

Fun fact, looking at the All Big Ten First Team, no voter had both Romeo and Juwan in their five-man roster, but nearly 2/3 had Juwan or Romeo on their team.

[Str8Hoosiers 2,965]

1 hour ago, MemphisHoosier said:

Fun fact, looking at the All Big Ten First Team, no voter had both Romeo and Juwan in their five-man roster, but nearly 2/3 had Juwan or Romeo on their team.

HAHAHA I was going through it all looking at that same thing... could have saved me some eye strain to read your post beforehand!!!

[Demo 17,328]

Don’t usually get personal, but the dude picking Purdue to win the conference is officially a moron. There is no rational argument, none, for that unless he thinks Edwards is gonna be Russell Westbrook. Actually, now that I think about it, not even then.

[Brass Cannon 24,064]

Carsen Edwards is so overrated 

[HoosierX 1,448]

23 minutes ago, Brass Cannon said:

Carsen Edwards is so overrated 

I have to admit, I don't understand this sentiment.  He averaged almost 20 points a game on a fairly talented team, and there really aren't many things that he doesn't do well.  

Probably undersized to be successful in the NBA as he isn't really a point guard, but he is an outstanding college player.

[Stuhoo 75,560]

43 minutes ago, Demo said:

Don’t usually get personal, but the dude picking Purdue to win the conference is officially a moron. There is no rational argument, none, for that unless he thinks Edwards is gonna be Russell Westbrook. Actually, now that I think about it, not even then.

 

So true - and I think C Edwards is really good!

Purdoo finished third in the conference last year with Haas, Vincent Edwards, Mathias, PJ Thompson, AND Carsen Edwards. They added one nice grad transfer, lost 4/5 of their starting lineup, and will be markedly better?  Ahhhh...no.