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9 minutes ago, MikeRoberts said:


I’m not personally judging Archie either way after 1 season but these types of responses are confusing. We will always be losing guys to the NBA, transfer and graduation. This year it was that we lost 3 of our best players, next year it will be that we lost 5 seniors etc etc, that’s he nature of the game, all coaches endure


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I think it’s different at the start of a coaching tenure. You have to build a culture, get your type of players in, get your system established. It’s hard to put the same expectations on a coach compared to someone who is established at his current job. I don’t know if we will see improvement in terms of W-L next season. We gain talent but lose experience.  If Morgan stays and we get Romeo, then we can talk about being good and the honeymoon is over. If we miss on Romeo, then who knows. 

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59 minutes ago, Iugradman said:

The jury is still definitely out on Archie. Next year is big. Major improvement has to be shown.

I don’t think Romeo comes and quite frankly IU doesn’t deserve to get him. Fred Glass and Michael McRobbie should not be able to pound their chest and boast about a successful basketball program. Their incompetence and mismanagement should not be rewarded.

I don't know about major improvement but we have to make the tourney.  If not Archie will be sitting on the hottest seat in the country to start year 3.

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8 minutes ago, dbmhoosier said:

I don't know about major improvement but we have to make the tourney.  If not Archie will be sitting on the hottest seat in the country to start year 3.

All depends on Romeo and what roster changes take place between now and the start of the season. 

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3 minutes ago, Feathery said:

All depends on Romeo and what roster changes take place between now and the start of the season. 

I don't think so.  The fan base will expect a tourney birth no matter what.  Butler seems to make it every year no matter who they lose.  We're Indiana.  Samspon made it his first season and almost beat FF bound UCLA in the tourney with a roster that really wasn't any better than the one Archie inherited.  I really like Archie but it is what it is.

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31 minutes ago, dbmhoosier said:

I don't think so.  The fan base will expect a tourney birth no matter what.  Butler seems to make it every year no matter who they lose.  We're Indiana.  Samspon made it his first season and almost beat FF bound UCLA in the tourney with a roster that really wasn't any better than the one Archie inherited.  I really like Archie but it is what it is.

Sampson's players were stoned out of their gourds, though. I can't figure if that makes it more impressive or not?  

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24 minutes ago, dbmhoosier said:

I don't think so.  The fan base will expect a tourney birth no matter what.  Butler seems to make it every year no matter who they lose.  We're Indiana.  Samspon made it his first season and almost beat FF bound UCLA in the tourney with a roster that really wasn't any better than the one Archie inherited.  I really like Archie but it is what it is.

I guess I fall in the camp of I won’t put him on the hot seat if he misses next year. The reason I won’t put him on the hot seat after year 2, is the first 2 seasons are building years. Year 3 expectations should be excitement for the build being over and we have a ranked team going into the season. Now, if we miss year 3 then fire him. 

Saying all that, if we land Romeo and Morgan stays, then we can compete for a conference title next season. The Big10 will be down again. 

 

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32 minutes ago, dbmhoosier said:

I don't think so.  The fan base will expect a tourney birth no matter what.  Butler seems to make it every year no matter who they lose.  We're Indiana.  Samspon made it his first season and almost beat FF bound UCLA in the tourney with a roster that really wasn't any better than the one Archie inherited.  I really like Archie but it is what it is.

You may be right. But Wright didn't get Villanova to the tournament until his 4th year. Bennett didn't get Virginia there until his 3rd. Beilein got UM there his 2nd year, but missed again his 3rd. Pretty sure those fan bases are ok with having kept them around. If our fan base packs it in on a highly regarded young coach 2 years in, I'd be real curious who would take the job next. Who knows, may Alford will be available.

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12 minutes ago, LamarCheeks said:

Sampson's players were stoned out of their gourds, though. I can't figure if that makes it more impressive or not?  

You must be thinking of year 2 when Ellis, Crawford, Holman, and Dre arrived.  Those dudes could party.

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46 minutes ago, dbmhoosier said:

I don't think so.  The fan base will expect a tourney birth no matter what.  Butler seems to make it every year no matter who they lose.  We're Indiana.  Samspon made it his first season and almost beat FF bound UCLA in the tourney with a roster that really wasn't any better than the one Archie inherited.  I really like Archie but it is what it is.

One thing Butler has had is continuity.  Despite the different coaches, they have been basically the same team every year due to the culture they've established, and they're running the same system.

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13 minutes ago, Demo said:

You may be right. But Wright didn't get Villanova to the tournament until his 4th year. Bennett didn't get Virginia there until his 3rd. Beilein got UM there his 2nd year, but missed again his 3rd. Pretty sure those fan bases are ok with having kept them around. If our fan base packs it in on a highly regarded young coach 2 years in, I'd be real curious who would take the job next. Who knows, may Alford will be available.

Those are good points but I'd also say that we were close to being a tourney team this season.  Simply add an a guy like Jordan Hulls to this season's roster who can actually make an open shot and we probably beat MSU, Purdue, OSU, Illinois, Rutgers, Wisconsin, and possibly Duke.  We were not far off.  I hope Romeo sees that. 

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59 minutes ago, dbmhoosier said:

I don't think so.  The fan base will expect a tourney birth no matter what.  Butler seems to make it every year no matter who they lose.  We're Indiana.  Samspon made it his first season and almost beat FF bound UCLA in the tourney with a roster that really wasn't any better than the one Archie inherited.  I really like Archie but it is what it is.

Rosters were very similar. Biggest difference to me is the Senior backcourts of both. Wilmont/Calloway vs. Rojo/ Newkirk.

My initial reaction is I would take Earl/ Rod in a heartbeat, did a little research and the stats are pretty similar. Could be recency bias, but I don't remember Earl/ Rod making me near as upset as Newkirk/Rojo. And I was a lot more volatile back then lol

Rod and Earl were competitors , Rojo and Newkirk, meh.

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You must be thinking of year 2 when Ellis, Crawford, Holman, and Dre arrived.  Those dudes could party.


The problem was that they also partied hard, and Sampson did nothing to reign them in. Disaster came calling (see what I did there?).

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Rosters were very similar. Biggest difference to me is the Senior backcourts of both. Wilmont/Calloway vs. Rojo/ Newkirk.
My initial reaction is I would take Earl/ Rod in a heartbeat, did a little research and the stats are pretty similar. Could be recency bias, but I don't remember Earl/ Rod making me near as upset as Newkirk/Rojo. And I was a lot more volatile back then lol
Rod and Earl were competitors , Rojo and Newkirk, meh.

Yep. I remember Calloway being a pretty good player and Wilmont making some big shots as a freshman in a win over PU.


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12 hours ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:


We fundamentally don’t see certain things the same way. And that’s ok.

The people that pointed out the blemishes and coaching inadequacies were attacked and ridiculed on here for years. There was always a strong contingent of people that would support Crean no matter what despite all evidence that he wasn’t the guy Indiana needed for years. A few of these people held on until the very end.

I’m not even one that is big into firing coaches, etc. You and others know I haven’t complained about Archie’s coaching all season, despite the losses. I think Archie will do great here if able to compete on a level playing field. If he fails, I’ll admit to being wrong. He knows basketball.

I don’t think people realize how annoying it was for people to ignore or shoot down any and all valid criticisms of Crean for years.

Both sides were annoyed with each other and it bled into the forums.



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I don't remember people ignoring and shooting down any and all valid criticisms of Crean for years.

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