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(2019) SG Armaan Franklin to IU

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6 minutes ago, Brass Cannon said:

I think he was talking about teachers. 

Okay, didn't catch that.  I am a teacher and can back that up.  Also have an incredible shortage of those going into the profession.....and in their infinite wisdom the state DOE instituted a teacher testing program which further removes candidates in an already short field.  At this point there are something like 2,000 teaching positions filled in the state by people without teaching credentials.

To give you an idea about what's happening with these tests -- the first year they changed the test needed to receive a middle school math endorsement, only 2 of the 50 teaching candidates passed it.  The cut scores for most of these tests are set at unrealistic levels.

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3 hours ago, HinnyHoosier said:

 


If this tells you anything, they're quitting at record pace in this state.


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That is also because they haven't got a pay raise in over five years. My friend and sister have the same salary they had when they started teaching over five years ago. They haven't even got a cost of living adjustment. Plus, they have to pay for many of the supplies they need to do their job. But hey, at least we saved the tax payer that extra $1.25 a year!

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4 hours ago, Walking Boot of Doom said:


Old - you asked where the line stops for what might be considered inconsequential and then listed teachers, trauma surgeons, and first responders? A referee is not on the same level here - serious consequences exist in those professions. Life or death and long term health and success type consequences.

Responding to the guys in here who ref for their kids or local organizations - good on you. I’m sure you’re all high character people who try to do things the right way. My post was likely poorly worded, but my criticism was directed at the TV Teddy’s of middle school basketball. Plenty of crap happens that no one should have to deal with, especially at that pay level, but that doesn’t justify abusing the “power” granted to you.

Bringing those two thought together - imagine what teachers deal with. The same kids, for 8 hours a day 5 days a week, on terrible salaries.


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What's strange is that we can say with the same logic that coaches have 'inconsequential' jobs as well, yet fans create web sites wanting to fire them.  And the truth is we don't want them fired for something that is long term -- building their player's character -- but rather because they don't win games.  This isn't pointed at any particular coach or poster, just an observation.

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What's strange is that we can say with the same logic that coaches have 'inconsequential' jobs as well, yet fans create web sites wanting to fire them.  And the truth is we don't want them fired for something that is long term -- building their player's character -- but rather because they don't win games.  This isn't pointed at any particular coach or poster, just an observation.

Present bias. A strong behavioral trait of humans.


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On 12/30/2018 at 12:19 PM, Old Friend said:

I don't think you can paint with this broad brush about referees/officials or whatever word you apply to them.  They officiate, therefore, they are "officials."    I've coached for 22 years.   Most of them have been great to work with and talk to.  Most have no ego.  Most are there for the kids; and many officiate basketball, baseball, and football as well.

Above there is a comment about this position being "inconsequential."   Really?  Okay then; other than first responders,  "trauma surgeon," "teacher," "for "suicide prevention specialist;" what jobs ARE consequential?  If not someone who's there entirely for the benefit of other people while having to listen to every disillusioned parent b!tch about his every move while making (after travel expenses) very little money; then who? Lawyers?  Insurance agents?  Accountants?

Are there bad referees?  Yep.  Are a few on a power trip?  I suppose.  But...think back to the games when officials have become confrontational.  When they've become animated (in a bad way) or had their radars up.   Generally speaking, the game itself, the people around it, and yeah...parents have been the ones creating that environment.

Think about a high school game.  How many people involved in that game are there almost exclusively and specifically for the benefit of the kids playing in that game?   The coaches are there most of the time for the kids, but also for their own jobs.  They want to win, and the kids on that particular team are their tools that season.  Parents have agendas.  They just do.  Officials?  If you think their motivation is extra money, you're just not informed about what they make.  ($75 for a football game and many drive 50 miles + and a Friday night starts for them at 5:30 when they arrive and ends about 10:00.  Taking into account travel time and expenses, you can do the math)

Making fun of the uniform they are required to wear?  Really?  And putting all of them into the same category?  Really? Why single out the people HERE who referee and assume everyone ELSE doing that job is an incompetent boob on a power trip?

When you walk into any room, there is someone in charge whose job it is to make sure whatever goes on in that room takes the shape and form it's supposed to.  In a basketball gym, those people are the referees.  Like it or not.  If they reacted to every BS thing they heard (many profane and more of them highly personal), they'd be institutionalized.

WAY too many people put themselves above the fray and sling insults at groups of people with no bearing or basis.  You know why officiating seems to be getting worse?  Same reasons politicians are getting worse.  Who wants the job?  What moron would walk into a gym and listen to Mrs. Johnson, who doesn't know the rules from Moby Dick scream personal insults for an hour and a half?  How many of us here would do a job for little money when all the feedback we get is negative and people with agendas are playing vocal judge and jury for the entirety of the work day?   I would encourage anyone who's b!tching about them without experience to give it a shot.  Then come back here and vitriolically insult them.

You either respect the position and their responsibility or you don't.  If you don't, you're the problem.  Not the solution.   And no.  I have never officiated a game of any kind save a little league baseball game 20 years ago.

 

Excellent post! I coached youth sports as my son was growing up. Baseball for about 8 years and basketball about 3-4. I have to admit that at times I was hard on refs/umps the first couple of years but the longer I was involved the more understanding I became. 

1) it's just a difficult job any way you cut it. Split second judgment calls required constantly and somebody is ALWAYS going to be unhappy, 2) parents can be ahole's and many of them teach their kids it's ok to be that way, 3) most of them sincerely love the game and are just trying to give back to something that has brought them much happiness. 

I've had more than one come up to me days or weeks later and say coach, I blew that call in such and such situation. 

I've thought about officiating myself and I'm not sure I could handle it. 

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On 12/31/2018 at 7:02 AM, Walking Boot of Doom said:

Bringing those two thought together - imagine what teachers deal with. The same kids, for 8 hours a day 5 days a week, on terrible salaries.

It's beyond awful. I used to substitute teach, and I knew a handful of others who did. One of them taught for an 8th grade class one day. There was a student who had a cell phone out during class, which was obviously against the rules. The teacher asked the student, more than once, to put it away, but the student refused. The teacher took away the phone and sent the student to the office. About 10 minutes later, the student returned from the office with a note from the principal telling the teacher to return the phone to the student, that they had no right to take away a student's personal property. Thankfully, that school's principal has since moved on. I wish I had been in that classroom that day, because I would have had SO much fun with that scenario and would have had no problem holding it over the student's head for the rest of the day.

 

I know this thread is about officials, but the education system is done for. Students and their parents have all the power now and there's very little teachers can do about it.

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Carmel defeats Cathedral in the opening round of the Marion County Tournament 71 - 56.  Franklin with 25 pts. and 5 reb.   

Butler bound John Michael Mulloy had 17 pts. and 21 reb. for Carmel

 

UPDATE:  Cathedral senior guard and Indiana recruit Armaan Franklin did his best to keep the Irish close. He finished with a game-high 25 points, including 15 in the final quarter, but it wasn’t enough. No other Cathedral player finished with more than eight points.

Game write-up:  https://www.indystar.com/story/sports/high-school/2019/01/09/indiana-high-school-basketball-carmel-tops-cathedral-armaan-franklin-karsten-windlan/2523505002/

 

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6 minutes ago, Class of '66 Old Fart said:

In the Indianapolis City Tournament, Cathedral with a 59-44 opening round win.  Franklin with 26 pts. and 7-7 from the line.

Thanks for the update. Franklin is having a hell of a year (and sounds like a great kid). Look forward to seeing him in Bloomington.

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Some cute back and forth between Armaan and his mother.

Hoosier Sound inital tweet - If you would like to catch our interview live, we will be going on with Ms. India Franklin at 7:00pm, est., tomorrow night right before the Northwestern game. Subscribe on YouTube so you don't miss out!

To which Armaan tweeted:  This is a mistake

To which his mother India Franklin @indii5000 responded:  You will thank me later.

Both had emojis with their tweets but btb wouldn't allow them to post.

 

 

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7 hours ago, Class of '66 Old Fart said:

BTB has been a pretty down place lately as it relates to our basketball program but do yourself a favor and spend 55 minutes of your life listening to this interview with Armaan's mother.  Tremendous insight on Armaan's childhood and his recruitment by IU.  About 35 min. in she discusses the relationship between the Franklin and Brooks' families - no revelations but there is a close personal relationship between the families.  And at about 44 min. she discusses the situation that got her ejected from the game in New Castle.  And the wrap-up is her thoughts on how this season is going.  Wonderfully refreshing from a great lady.

I don't know if Mrs. Franklin follows Armaan's thread but if she does, I want her to know she is most definitely a 5-star mom.  

https://www.indianahq.com/read/5c47d61011e4b900149eae26/interview-with-india-franklin-e072-ths

Thank you for sharing! It was a tremendously insightful conversation with Armaan's mom. My favorite quote was .... at the age of 3, Armaan on continuing soccer, "No..... I think I am going to retire and play basketball." Hahah.

Hopefully we can get more unique interviews like this one if you enjoyed it.

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