Archie Miller's staff at Indiana will be Bruiser Flint, Tom Ostrom (Dayton) and Ed Schilling (UCLA),

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I love IU and it's history but I also feel like having an Indiana guy is getting a little old. It seems that everyone is just throwing out names of former players and most of them don't have an coaching experience. Just because someone played here doesn't mean they will know how to coach. 

I think with this new start to IU's history with Archie we need to throw our support behind him and whoever he picks as his staff. He has a vision for how he wants his staff and team to work and I trust him to do that. 

As far as the state and area go it looks like he is already making ground with that. Southport's coach was at Archie's intro press conference as a personal invite from Coach Miller. I've read where he has already been reaching out to Indiana coaches and making good contacts.

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36 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

Elston's job has already been filled with Bill Comer who was DOB at Dayton, Arizona & Xavier. 

Were have you seen this? I haven't seen anything about Comer at IU and besides Elston wasn't the DOBO he was the director of player development.

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I think you need 1 former player on staff in some capacity. Look at Duke and UNC as the model for this. They typically have multiple guys who were on the team as assistants. Part of that is having a familial culture, which helps with recruiting. come to IU and if the NBA doesnt happen, and you want to stay involved, we will take care of you. 

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Groce is going to take Akron job. This is not likely to happen but I had been thinking Lorenzo Romar would've been an awesome get. Last I heard though he was rumored to be joining Sean at AZ. Groce would've been great to have though.

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I honestly don't get why Akron is going with Jon Groce, its not like he exactly rocked his previous MAC stint.  I would have gone with an unknown before going with him.  

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His coaching records per season screams Tom Crean to me. He got fired from Drexel after being there for 13 years. Cool he won the most games there.. but being fired and having inconsistent results is basically what we just got rid of.
Coach of the year..ehh... Didn't we just fire a coach who won coach of the year last year? Coach of the year awards are overrated at most times. 
I'm sure he has some in's on the recruiting on the east coast, that's nice. But nothing about his resume screams the best staff in america. 
He seems like a hard nose guy, similar to archie in a way. I'm sure the fans will love that.. but will this generation of kids be buying into what he's selling? I don't know. Archie yes.. Flint.. I don't think so. Just my thoughts.

Tom Crean was an elite assistant coach. Underwhelming as a HC. This is extremely common on the nations most elite staffs. Were you expecting us to hire guys who were very successful as HC's? If so, you are going to be let down no matter what. Those guys have head jobs.

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Just now, HoosierTrav said:

 

Tom Crean was an elite assistant coach. Underwhelming as a HC. This is extremely common on the nations most elite staffs. Were you expecting us to hire guys who were very successful as HC's? If so, you are going to be let down no matter what. Those guys have head jobs.

 

This.  Groce was a horrid head coach.  An amazing assistant coach.  They are different skill sets. 

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It's not nonsense at all.  I agree with Archie as an 'Indiana guy,' but I don't understand why you would make that comment (assuming you agree with it) if you think it's nonsense.   We sure don't need a .500 coach from the east coast if we don't need a guy who gets the culture and can help sell it.   I will never understand how or why people want to get rid of the past.  The past built the culture and expectations here.   Why just toss that aside for the sake of wanting something different?  Cultures are built over time, and the teams/programs that stick with it are highly successful across the board.  Look at the top seeds in this year's NCAA tournament.  4 deep, they were pretty familiar.  Look at the top college football programs.  Even true in the NFL and MLB in some ways.  There are teams you always expect to do well because they have a certain way of doing things.  Wisconsin figured it out.  Butler is developing it in basketball, and they're in better shape than what Crean left Indiana.   I love Miller.  LOVE him.  But I disagree about casting aside those with ties to a very successful culture for  no other reason than "it's time to move on."  From what?  Consistent success?  What's wrong with having guys on the bench who understand specific expectations?

You honestly think 15-17 year old kids give two craps about Indiana's past culture? I think you may be overlooking that aspect. How much does an "Indiana guy" REALLY help convince these young kids who likely think the greatest Indiana player ever is Zeller or Oladipo? Personally, I want the coaches that Archie Miller wants on his staff. I'm 100% behind this coach and the decisions he makes, until he proves to me over a 2-3 year period, that it's wrong.

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43 minutes ago, HoosierTrav said:

 

You honestly think 15-17 year old kids give two craps about Indiana's past culture? I think you may be overlooking that aspect. How much does an "Indiana guy" REALLY help convince these young kids who likely think the greatest Indiana player ever is Zeller or Oladipo? Personally, I want the coaches that Archie Miller wants on his staff. I'm 100% behind this coach and the decisions he makes, until he proves to me over a 2-3 year period, that it's wrong.

 

I honestly think you don't get it.   No offense, but you don't.   You were probably one of those guys 100% behind Mike Davis, too.  Until he proved you wrong.   And Sampson.  And Crean. We're all behind him.  We all want to win.  But I think there's a formula, and I think Indiana's coaches have deviated from it to their detriment.

I honestly think Indiana is a unique and special place with expectations and aspirations which should be far higher than they've been for 17+ seasons.   Mike Davis said in his first year that we "should go 3-3 through this 6 game stretch."   Is that okay here?   He recruited south.  He avoided what Indiana had always been.   And lost his job quickly once he had "his own players."  Help is on the way.  Yeah.  Sure it is.   Sampson did what Sampson did, and they had to bring in an IU guy to clean it up because the program had become unrecognizable.  I think Dakich was the perfect temporary hire for that reason alone.  Crean, about year 5, focused east, kept looking for that kid everyone missed (while missing on countless local kids), hired a #1 assistant from New Jersey, and avoided many local kids and coaches.  (Elston was someone for whom he did a favor.  Elston had no experience)  He had a team that couldn't guard or get consistent shots offensively.  He lost his job.  What is it you think?  We're just like everyone else, and can do it like....Illinois does it? Like Iowa State?  Like Colorado?  No.  We can't.  Not if we have high expectations.  

I couldn't care less what 15-17 year old kids think.  I care what a coach can make them believe.  What a coach can sell to that kid....'you're coming to a place where you will be held to the highest of standards, and you'll be expected to win, be an example, go to class, play defense, and make your team better."  That's Indiana.   Well, it's now Butler.  Without enough size to win nationally.  If Indiana simply gets back to playing that way, with the talent you can go get around here, Indiana will be in the conversation every year.  And yeah.  I think a former player can sell the culture better than anyone.   We're either Indiana or we're Illinois.  Which is it?

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Nonsense- bloviating nonsense. Better understand how to deal with millenials because they aren't going away. It's not about the Indiana way it's about them.

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1 hour ago, Brass Cannon said:

I honestly don't get why Akron is going with Jon Groce, its not like he exactly rocked his previous MAC stint.  I would have gone with an unknown before going with him.  

Groce took Ohio to two NCAA tournaments, one of which was a Sweet 16. Outside of Groce's stint, Ohio has been to 1 NCAA tournament since 1994. 

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1 minute ago, jimsorgi said:

Groce took Ohio to two NCAA tournaments, one of which was a Sweet 16. Outside of Groce's stint, Ohio has been to 1 NCAA tournament since 1994. 

He had 15+ losses 3 of 4 years. That's not the model for long term success

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3 minutes ago, Brass Cannon said:

He had 15+ losses 3 of 4 years. That's not the model for long term success

I don't disagree. But it's pretty easy to see why MAC schools are interested in him.

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You don't understand or agree with my opinion. Therefore, you are wrong.

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28 minutes ago, jimsorgi said:

I don't disagree. But it's pretty easy to see why MAC schools are interested in him.

Because MAC schools want to avoid long term success?

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1 minute ago, Brass Cannon said:

Because MAC schools want to avoid long term success?

Because right now the MAC is a mess of a conference that looks at a guy who has coached MAC teams to multiple top-100 Kenpom ratings and went to two tournaments in 4 years as a potential long-term option. Especially when Groce also had a ton of success as an assistant in that same state.

Schools overvalue tournament success, which means Groce's resume is overvalued. I think schools are wrong to do that. But I'm not surprised when they do...

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You and I see things differently, and I don't feel like I need to explain it again.  100 times is enough.  Indiana is a unique place, and there needs to be some tie to the culture.  Yes. I know you don't understand or agree with it, but 17 years later....  

Honest question, you are suggesting we need an Indiana guy to help the coaches better understand our unique culture. If that is the case why are you suggesting it has not been done over the last 17 years?

IF there is an Indiana guy ready I would love to bring them in but just having one on the roster as an assistant is not something new. You mention 17 years later, well Davis, Sampson and Crean had former IU players on staff during that time period. So hiring an Indiana guy, just to have someone to bridge our unique culture has been done.

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39 minutes ago, jimsorgi said:

Because right now the MAC is a mess of a conference that looks at a guy who has coached MAC teams to multiple top-100 Kenpom ratings and went to two tournaments in 4 years as a potential long-term option. Especially when Groce also had a ton of success as an assistant in that same state.

Schools overvalue tournament success, which means Groce's resume is overvalued. I think schools are wrong to do that. But I'm not surprised when they do...

Tournament success is overvalued. Better to look at how often a coach makes the tourney

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Was Calbert Cheaney... on Crean's staff...? hmmm....


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Was Calbert Cheaney... on Crean's staff...? hmmm....

 

 

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Fife was on Davis'

Dakich was on Sampson's

Cheaney and Easton on Crean's

 

Having an IU guy as an assistant is not necc the way to bridge to our past. The right coach and the right AD are the ways to do that. The right assistants are there to help the coach do his job successfully.