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1 hour ago, tablegrapes said:

What can Alford say now about the Pierce fiasco that could change anything in that department? Fall on the mercy of the court and say he made big mistakes and has learned from it? Apologize to the people directly affected? That is not going to be part of his homecoming narrative if indeed it happens.

That story is just an inherent part of his baggage now and always will be. If IU hires him, they are hiring him and the baggage. Nothing he can do to change the past.

Fall on the mercy of the court? Are you inferring he was charged with a crime? Gosh, i thought I disliked Crean.

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1 hour ago, Demo said:

You're right, and I've never understood those schools, particularly UCLA, compromising themselves for a B- coach. If you're gonna make a deal with the devil, the payoff better be a sure thing. When West Virginia brought in Huggie and his baggage, at least they brought in a legitimately great Coach. Payoff was obvious. Alford? Not even close.

Just to play devil's advocate, what would people's reactions be if Bob Huggins showed up on the list? It would give me a lot of pause.

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35 minutes ago, Hoosier in NC said:

I will be highly disappointed in Glass and the IU administration if Alford is hired.  I just don't see how anybody with a mother, sister, daughter, grandmother, etc. can stand behind a guy that defended a rapist and then tried to get the victim to go away. Deplorable in my book.

Alford didn't defend a rapist. He defended a man he believed to be innocent who ended up being a rapist. Maybe that's just semantics to you, but it's a key distinction imo. 

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3 minutes ago, schoosier said:

Fall on the mercy of the court? Are you inferring he was charged with a crime? Gosh, i thought I disliked Crean.

Perhaps the court of popular opinion. Again, there's no excuse... while Alford cannot change the narrative at this point, he has yet to even admit that he totally screwed the pooch.

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2 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

Alford didn't defend a rapist. He defended a man he believed to be innocent who ended up being a rapist. Maybe that's just semantics to you, but it's a key distinction imo. 

IF that were truly the case, why would he turn on the victim? Why would he attempt to get her to back down/drop the charges? Clearly he was trying to keep his star player on the team and out of jail... irrespective of the facts of the case... he belongs at UCLA with their legacy of thumbing their noses at the NCAA and the judicial system. Wooden looked the other way when Sam Gilbert was doing his deeds... and Alford is no better.


#NeverAlford

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Had the Iowa incident never happen and Alford had a perfectly clean slate as far as that goes, I would still never even consider Alford. His 20 plus year resume way too similar to Crean. Iowa was not upset to see him go, they've had more success prior to him and after him. New Mexico was not crying when he left. UCLA will not be upset if he were to go. He comes to IU we're stuck with him forever. How Alford is being considered by anyone is beyond me. He was a great basketball player for us and that's it. 18 year old kids don't even know who he is as a player they could care less if he won a championship here. There are lots of great coaches that could recruit with IU resources and being in the Midwest, the idea that Alford can lock the state up is ridiculous. He could recruit the state no better than any other coach on our list.

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4 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

Alford didn't defend a rapist. He defended a man he believed to be innocent who ended up being a rapist. Maybe that's just semantics to you, but it's a key distinction imo. 

Let's assume for a second Alford innocently supported Pierre Pierce, believing he truly was innocent. And now let's assume for a second that he truly thought the victim needed the counsel of a priest and God's wisdom to aid her.

1) Why did the priest need to go talk to her if Pierre was innocent as Steve emphatically claimed?

2) Assuming he's an innocent do-gooder just trying to help, then he's a complete and total moron for taking such a hardline stance on the innocence of Pierce without knowing all the facts and for sending a priest to go talk to her. What professional doesn't understand the importance of perception?

Assuming Alford is actually a great guy, I don't want a complete imbecile leading our program.

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1 minute ago, AZ Hoosier said:

IF that were truly the case, why would he turn on the victim? Why would he attempt to get her to back down/drop the charges? Clearly he was trying to keep his star player on the team and out of jail... irrespective of the facts of the case... he belongs at UCLA with their legacy of thumbing their noses at the NCAA and the judicial system. Wooden looked the other way when Sam Gilbert was doing his deeds... and Alford is no better.


#NeverAlford

I don't think that if Alford truly knew that his guy was guilty of what he was accused of that he would've done the things that he did. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt that he's not that terrible of a guy that he would work so hard to keep a guy he knew was a rapist out of jail to win basketball games. I think he went to bat for someone that he honestly believed in and got burned because he trusted the wrong person. He deserves criticism for the way he handled it, but imo saying "he defended a rapist" implies that he knew Pierre Pierce was guilty, didn't care, and still defended him. Maybe that really was what happened, but all the reports make it seem like he believed Pierce was innocent. 

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1 minute ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

I don't think that if Alford truly knew that his guy was guilty of what he was accused of that he would've done the things that he did. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt that he's not that terrible of a guy that he would work so hard to keep a guy he knew was a rapist out of jail to win basketball games. I think he went to bat for someone that he honestly believed in and got burned because he trusted the wrong person. He deserves criticism for the way he handled it, but imo saying "he defended a rapist" implies that he knew Pierre Pierce was guilty, didn't care, and still defended him. Maybe that really was what happened, but all the reports make it seem like he believed Pierce was innocent. 

What does sending a priest to counsel the girl on whether or not to press charges imply?

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Just now, Walking Boot of Doom said:

What does sending a priest to counsel the girl on whether or not to press charges imply?

Only Alford knows for sure why he handled it the way that he did. If he were to be named our coach I would want him to discuss the situation at length, explain why he did what he did, express remorse, acknowledge his mistakes, etc. Glass knows about the incident so if he were to pick Alford I would expect that the two would have discussed what went on. Glass laid out his expectations for our next coach so I don't think he would bring in Alford if he was uncomfortable about the Pierce incident. 

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Today's Coaching Hot Board (listed in order of probability) according to Peegs .. basically Chris Collins moved up and Donovan fell 3 spots ..... Why is Mike Woodson even on this list?????

1) Steve Alford
2) Tony Bennett
3) Chris Collins
4) Chris Mack
5) Archie Miller
6) Billy Donovan
7) Sean Miller
8) Bryce Drew
9) Chris Holtman
10) Dane Fife
11) Mike Woodson (WTF?)
12) Greg Marshall
13) Mike White

Woodsons 59.Probably just courtesy.

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You're right. There's nothing that SA can really do to change the narrative at this point. My problem with it is that defending a rapist, belittling those that disagreed with him, and trying to intimidate the victim, are not examples of poor decision making that can be learned from. They are examples of narcissism. They are examples of a man with a hole in his soul.

Sounds like a current events session.

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