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  1. Old Friend

    Coronavirus and Its Impact

    See above. "It's all he can do?" Read the thread. You have zero comprehension that this situation is not "normal," and we don't have time for "normal." Physicians prescribing it worldwide doesn't signify something to you because guys in lab coats haven't reviewed a paper and deemed it sound because they haven't seen 25,000 patients in true clinical trials and placebo trials. Nobody's saying the old school way wouldn't be nice, but why don't you tell me how we can turn the economy off for 18 months so we can do it your way. I'll wait. Again....this ain't normal. The rules have changed a bit. Why do you think the defense production act exists and why governors are begging to have it enacted? So we can do things as "normal?" Doctors are blowhards? Really? This is being used worldwide...literally. And because YOU don't like the protocol, it's BS. Got it. I'll grant there's not a whole lot of data, but there's also zero negative data, plenty of positive data with more coming daily, and the drug has been in use for 65 years. You were eerily silent until someone agreed with part of what you said. You remind me of Scut Farkas's little helper in "A Christmas Story" If you think I'm deflecting or missing something, present YOUR case. You asked for sources and I gave you one above. Crickets. Let's see what you're made of.
  2. Old Friend

    Coronavirus and Its Impact

    #2) An easy thing to say, but I'd ask you to cite an example. I don't recall disguising anything as fact; and have cited my sources. Most of them quotes or printed headlines; not the opinion pages. Hard to "op ed" things that actually happen. The evidence on HCQ is out there and will be in print soon enough. We've really only had a few weeks, but there's a reason physicians all over the world are prescribing it. Because it doesn't have 100% buy in from the millions pf physicians worldwide doesn't make the evidence YOU don't believe erroneous. #3) I'm not assuming when that's what a particular person has done for an entire discussion. That's a lot of words to make no point at all. What have I deflected? Take a look at this thread and let me know objectively whether or not you think I've debated, cited true sources, etc or the person about whom I made that comment has done the same. If you can objectively come to the conclusion that I'm the one who's dodged or deflected the debate,THEN you can go on a verbose rant which might have some merit.
  3. You should be as negative and pessimistic as you can. Always expect the worst. That way, you'll never be disappointed and when you're right (still waiting), you can FINALLY say "I KNEW it!!!"
  4. Old Friend

    Coronavirus and Its Impact

    Some lessons to learn : 1) Dying because you ingest fish tank cleaner because it has a similar singular ingredient to what you heard on TV is not a side effect of the real drug 2) Sources exist other than the ones we listen to. That doesn't make the ones we listen to automatically right and others automatically wrong. Implying as much takes away 100% of your credibilty. 3) Disliking a president or a boss or any other authority figure is not grounds for dismissing everything they say or do as wrong or stupid. All that does is make you sound like Donnie Baker. I swear to God.
  5. Old Friend

    Coronavirus and Its Impact

    Because there is a difference between dying "from" and dying "with." Guy with pancreatic cancer dies in a car crash. You'd count that as a death from cancer if you're not opposed to how deaths are being counted.
  6. Old Friend

    Coronavirus and Its Impact

    Look them up yourself. Who has literally died using HCQ as a mono-pharmaceutical, or who didn't have a significant underlying condition? I love how you contradicted your question with your statement. That's not easy to do. Edit : Here's the rep from Michigan. You and I both know you won't look anything up, and if you did you'd probably Google Big Bird and tell me you found nothing. https://nypost.com/2020/04/07/michigan-democrat-says-hydroxychloroquine-saved-her-life/
  7. Old Friend

    Coronavirus and Its Impact

    The implication was pretty obvious. I don't have much good to say about any professional politician, but this country has ALWAYS been unprepared for cataclysmic events like this, and the reasons are myraid. To politicize THIS one is as dumb as politicizing 9/11, Pearl Harbor, or Hurricane Katrina. Sh!t happens. Sometimes bad sh!t. You battle when it does, but blaming serves no purpose. For the record : https://kerrypicket.com/dr-fauci-we-acted-against-coronavirus-very-very-early/?utm_source=socialflow&fbclid=IwAR1RFE6W0T3g54ZvmdViX-ZrZDpJ5QgXp5A12sHu3I8Hh49tMnBvP4RWFVQ
  8. Old Friend

    Coronavirus and Its Impact

    It's not completely unproven. That's false and patently inaccurate. The medical community's protocol has never been set up to react to pandemics onset by a brand new virus. The FDA (unless you've been under a rock, you know this) has allowed clearance of several things more quickly recently than in the past and you have car makers producing ventilators (I doubt their factories are sterile and OSHA approved for such things), which are a little tricky. So unless you're in favor of and idiotic enough to think shutting down our economy for two years so we can have a peer reviewed paper to tell you a 65 year old medication (which doctors are already prescribing and is being used successfully) is safe and generally effective for an off label use, you might have to dive into today's reality and drop your biases. Your final comment is laughably elementary and completely transparent.
  9. Old Friend

    Coronavirus and Its Impact

    Depends on where you get your information and what doctors you're talking about. The ones that are old school and need an 18 month peer reviewed clinical trial? Some of them may doubt and call the evidence anecdotal, and in their world? They're right. But... Many more do not. New study from France (Paper published next week) with 1,000 patients studied for COVID-19, almost unanimous positive results and shortening of symptoms. No adverse reactions worse than a rash. Head (Dr. Wallace) of Cedars Sinai Rheumatology program (2,000+ patients on HCQ for Lupus) show zero cases of COVID-19 among that group, and zero adverse reactions. As I mentioned above, Michigan state rep took it and credits it for saving her life. Governor of Michigan had your thoughts 2 weeks ago, now asking for more and more of the medication and asking her doctors to prescribe it. Successfully used in almost every country with COVID cases. There is more positive news on it every day and the reason it's anecdotal is the drug has really only been tried in this capacity for 3 weeks or so. However, the evidence "for" is mounting very day. So like I said, it depends on what information you use. It's been around for 65 years. It's a known from an adverse reactions perspective and it's extremely safe in the doses being utilized. It's not a cure, but it significantly reduces the symptoms and no patient who has taken it in early onset has so far needed a ventilator.
  10. Old Friend

    Coronavirus and Its Impact

    Why is this important at all? Even a little bit? This is agenda driven crap. Lots of companies make it. It's been around since 1955 and has been generic for longer than I've been alive. Everybody says "trust the experts!" Well, in this case, those experts are doctors. Doctors are starting to see results, publish papers, and tout its efficacy. So now it becomes about money and donors? Do you truly believe repubicans are just an evil group of people? Like I said before, Donald Trump can do no right in the eyes of some, and people create this fake stuff every time there's good news. It's exhausting. But this is what "fake news" looks like.
  11. Old Friend

    Coronavirus and Its Impact

    Good thing it seems to work then, huh?
  12. Old Friend

    Coronavirus and Its Impact

    Yeah, I made a mistake there. Thought one thing and sourced another. Brain cramp. The affects of this remain to be seen, and I'm not for any kind of corruption. I don't know the reason, but so far, I really don't think precedent exists to assume the worst of Trump. Especially on something that would be so blatantly obvious.
  13. Old Friend

    Coronavirus and Its Impact

    1) The CDC and NIH have both seen increases in the budget every year Trump has been in office. Funding was not cut. 2) He was calling the media's treatment of him a hoax because of their airing of partial quotes and applying no context. Joe Biden had a tweet and a campaign ad using this quote, but eventually apologized and took down the tweet because he was wrong. 3) The quote about flu deaths was made well before we knew how serious this was. I posted the picture of all the headlines from all of those publications (did so again) and the quote from Dr. Facui among others, all of whom said the same thing. Much of this came from the data and information from China, which they vastly under-reported. They were just as worried about the economic impact there as we were here. 4) You quoted Dr. Fauci "last Wednesday." Go back and see what he said on February 17th. "The threat to the US is low." So you're going back a month and a half. That defines revisionist history. That's the same as "I was opposed to the bill until I was for it." 5) New inspector has a decade of service for the General Services Admin in charge of waste, fraud, and abuse. Trump knows the guy and he's done a good job. Lots of waste from Andrew Cuomo right now....that should also be investigated. 6) State rep of..I think Detroit..hard left (D), Karen Whitsett said today that were it not for Trump's touting of hydroxychloroquine, she would not have known to ask for it, and felt better within 2 hours after testing positive. 7) I don't understand why you're holding things Trump said against him when doctors, including Fauci were saying the same things? It wasn't until March 10th or so we really knew much about this thing, but Trump banned travel from China on January 31. He was actually ahead of the experts and called a racist and xenophobe because of it. Etc. No worries on long winded-ness. We're all bored. =) EVERYONE, including Dr. Fauci downplayed this. How can you hold Trump responsible when his own top adviser said the risk is low? Trump counts on Dr. Fauci. Always has. And Dr. Fauci himself saif Trump's response to this was impressive. Seriously? What could any president have done better? The New York Post (hardly a conservative rag) had an article over the weekend saying America has almost always been under-prepared for crisis', but always responds better than most. It used Katrina and 9/11 as examples. As I said before, the problem is systemic because the US is economically driven, not doomsday driven. And I'm good with that. To use quotes from recently as proof Trump down played the virus and leave out the ones from before is the stuff Trump always calls fake news. The rest of the story and the whole story are important, here. Trump's job is to put people around him to advise, not to preside and be all knowing. This thing has changed daily since the beginning, and to lay it at Trump's feet means you want to in my opinion.
  14. Old Friend

    Coronavirus and Its Impact

    JS, I don't know that I have ever had any kind of disagreement with you, so please take this only at face value and on this subject only. Political discussion is poison on its own merit, but sometimes it does need to be talked through. It's laughable to me you believe the problem belongs to the GOP. Seriously laughable. It's like you have no objectivity on this matter at all. Unless I'm missing something, which is possible.... Do you seriously think the exact same thing you said about the GOP can't be said in absolute equality about democrats? I have seen republicans take the high road time and time and time and time and time again. Labeled racists, homophobes, and other vile things simply because of political party affiliation. Hell, I've experienced it! The left claims tolerance and the moral high ground every chance they get, but disagree with one and you become an unwashed racist who's uneducated and probably hides behind guns while killing babies and everything not white! That's been a problem since the Clinton administration. Obama called the GOP bitter clingers. Hilary called Trump voters a basket of deplorables. Fake news is rampant. Blame thrown out just for the sake of finding fault with Trump. Check this out, BTW : https://kerrypicket.com/dr-fauci-we-acted-against-coronavirus-very-very-early/?utm_source=socialflow&fbclid=IwAR1RFE6W0T3g54ZvmdViX-ZrZDpJ5QgXp5A12sHu3I8Hh49tMnBvP4RWFVQ You have GOT to be kidding me with this. If you want, I'll copy you on over 100 examples by midnight and flood your inbox tomorrow. Putting this partisan issue on the doorstep of the GOP is intellectually dishonest.
  15. Old Friend

    Coronavirus and Its Impact

    I said a few pages ago the problem we have is systemic. It's not any one man's fault, and certainly not limited to whoever's in the chair now. This is just one source, but it shows what I mean and the complexity of it. Blaming one man and in particular the man in the chair now is pretty elementary. It's not the fault of Donald Trump, Barack Obama or Big Bird. Now is the time to battle and solve. Not blame. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/04/03/fact-check-did-obama-administration-deplete-n-95-mask-stockpile/5114319002/?fbclid=IwAR20clpJPOABykwm3TtaFGO0EPZNceF50PrpZ78pwOrjwlHKS2HqmTBUYdE
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