Feathery

Yeah there will need to be some good leadership this offseason by the guys returning to help get the new guys up to speed. Atlantis early in the season will let us know where the team is at.

Got to give you props on your commitment of positing the downside to every topic. Well done good sir. When I see you post I always want to read it bc I get a chuckle out of it. So thanks for that.

Going to be an interesting year. At this point I don’t see a team on paper better than what IU has. It’s why I said my expectations are to win the conference. Its put up and shut up time. The boosters are spending Iike it’s put up time. So let’s see a high bar and achieve it.

I come and go. The end of the Crean era, then whatever that was under Archie, almost had me stop watching IU altogether. Didn’t go to a single game under Archie and only 1 under Woodson. I’m skeptical under Woodson for sure. Would have support a change. It didn’t happen so the best thing to do is support the team. Plenty of doubts but there is a path to being good next season and beyond.

Yup. It ain’t over til it’s over.

I love the NCAA tournament but I’ll never gauge a seasons success on it. Crazy things happen in the tournament is what makes it an amazing month. Regular season success is a better indicator of a program. And eventually with sustained regular season success a program with the resources IU has will break through in March. Going off of the NCAA tournament to gauge success is like saying IU has only had 5 successful seasons in their history.

I think he wrongly thought he could get the shooting needed with who was on the roster. His biggest fault is the roster management. And that issue has created so many other issues.

Looks like IU is missing a ton of shots not at the rim. Point is the guards have sucked as a group for years. This goes back through the Archie years too. Shafino was fine as a freshman but had no backcourt help. Langford played hurt but also didn’t have much backcourt help. Been my biggest frustration with the program since Yogi. edit. I’d love a Bama style offense. But it’s not happening and offensive style doesn’t get someone fired. So we are playing the system we are playing. The question is with quality guards at what level does it actually work. We are about to find out.

lol. Are you being intentionally obtuse? The issue is the players have not been good enough. The system does get open 3’s. Having them shoot more isn’t the answer. The fans wanted more 3’s taken. Woodson never told them to shoot it less. The teams just have been mediocre to bad and the talent hasn’t fit. Totally agree the talent/recruting/roster composition falls squarely on Woodson. Thats the winning argument. The lazy arguement I’m tired of seeing is argh shoot more 3’s, 300th in nation in attempts. Rage. I’m a guy who wanted a change but ppl are just throwing out stuff to be angry about without it actually making sense with the actual causation.

No im saying he didn’t tell them to not shoot them. That the player aren’t good enough to shoot in high volume and this their confidence was low and they passed them up. Thats a player problem. The Woody problem is he didn’t recruit quality shooters and chose to play through the post bc of the roster he made. the analytics portion shows to have a better offensive efficiency with the group of players we had it wasn’t to shoot more 3’s with bad players. You complained about being 300 on shooting 3 attempts. The data shows we would have been even worse with the same players shooting it more from deep.

Because the guards outside of Shafino have been bad players. The talent has not been there. Ppl complain about in the 300’s but the talent at the guards, where most teams put up their 3pt volume, is the reason. Galloway with volume dropped his % by 20 percentage points. He isn’t a good shooter. Gunn was streaky at best and a terrible 2 pt shooter. The players themselves have said they aren’t coached to pass the shots. The players pass the shots up on their own bc they know they aren’t good shooters from deep. The system has given them open looks and they don’t shoot them. Every game thread people post shoot the ball, bc of all the open 3’s players don’t shoot. I’ve posted elsewhere the stats show that with the rosters we have had the most efficient play was not to have bad shooters shoot from deep. But to play through the highly efficient good post players. If you had bad shooter shoot more the PPP goes down even more.

They passed open many open 3’s that year. Could Woody emphasize getting to the rim? Sure. Has he actively said don’t shoot 3’s? No he hasn’t. In fact the players have actively passed up on open 3’s on their own.

Win the Big Ten and make the 2nd weekend of the NCAA tournament.

I thought this was the thread to discuss a former poster? We don’t need any woody talk in here. lol

Yeah he wasn’t shy about shooting but man every time he shot it I thought it was going to be a miss. He was so streaky. A lot of goose eggs when you look up his stats. He reminded me of the old NY Knicks player John Starks. Dude got hot and would put up good numbers from deep. But when he was off it was awful. Gunn had more awful than on games imo. His 2 pt % was also bad and actually shot .03 better from 2 than he did from 3. lol.

Get an instate kid and they have plenty of money to cover a kids tuition and fees

We can agree to disagree. His system gets players open shots. It’s the PLAYERS passing them up. Why would he design a new offense to get them more open 3’s when they already pass up on the ones the system provides? I think there are plenty of things to complain about Woodson for. I’d argue not having a stretch 4 and roster construction would be at the top. Players passing up on open 3’s and verbally saying the coaches aren’t holding them back from shooting 3’s is not something to peg on Woody or his system.

Scholarship limits are a thing of the past. Michigan football had an extra 20ish players not on scholarship last year, that were given NIL to cover the costs. Purdue could do this for one basketball player if needed.

Galloway 46% was on low volume so the stat is skewed. He was also forced into a PG role he wasn’t comfortable with and his shooting suffered. He did shoot more 3’s this year than the year he averaged 46%, but that % dropped to 26%. Many of those misses were wide open as well. Top 3 shooters by attempts per game were Shifino, Kopp, and Tamar Bates. To replace those we had Galloway (see above), Cupps, and Gunn. That’s a downgrade in shooting giving the situation the team had last year. To attempt the same amount per game given the drop in talent is a sign that the coaches were saying no don’t shoot it or it’s the system. Ppl want to hammer Woody for saying it wasn’t his job to get Kopp shots. But the system does provide many open 3’s that players just didn’t take. This team can easily shoot over 20 3’s without playing outside of the system. That puts them in line with Purdue this last year who had a post dominant team.

Its 3pt ability over system. The players last year passed up a lot of 3’s per game. It wasn’t bc the coaches said don’t shoot it. It was the players passing them up on their own bc they were not comfortable shooting them.

Yeah Mgbako will shoot more 3’s. He was already averaging shooting more than 4 3’s a game. I could see him shooting 6-7 a game. Carlyle 4.3 3 pt attempts a game. Rice averaged 3.7 attempts per game. Both Carlyle and Rice should project to shoot at least 1-2 more per game coming off their freshmen years. To contrast Cupps and Galloway were the starters last year and seem to be coming off the bench. So we shouldn’t see an increase in their 3 pt attempts. Galloway averaged 0.8 attempts from 3 last season. Cupps averaged 0.4 attempts from distance. Without any increases or decreases Carlyle and Rice averaged 6.8 more attempts than Cupps and Galloway. That isn’t bc of the offense it’s bc of ability. just the increase in attempts the new backcourt is bringing in, IU should increase from 15 attempts a game from last season to 21.8 attempts a game. That doesn’t include any increase from Mgbako.

As it should be. lol

Yup. Also don’t get upset or feel it necessary to call out ppl bringing us what they hear.

I appreciate when ppl are saying done deal. But I never fully trust until it’s officially announced.

Depends. Ballo will rebound and be the rim protector. End of a close game you will need that. Could do some offensive and defensive substitutions. But Ballo is a net positive over a low FT%. And his 2 pt FG% is very very good. He might miss the and 1 FT though. If we are in a game with a lead and the other team is on foul mode then sure, put someone else in. The other team is scrambling to make up points in that situation.