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Big time upgrade from what we have had in position probably since Yogi.  X had talent, but it didn’t translate to consistency in production.  Big first get.  Keep stacking talent.  We need it everywhere.  Still want 2 more dudes that can go out get theirs when needed, and knock down open 3’s.  

Well not a lot has changed in the last couple of years it seems since I last logged on.  USPS enjoy the next couple of weeks.  Go IU

1 hour ago, iu eyedoc said:

So more of a football issue than BB.

That’s a great question.  Not sure 100% on those rules.  They have spring semester enrollees to get them going in the program all of the time.  That’s when football players come and go.  Not sure how they completely navigate that.

Just now, iu eyedoc said:

School earn a point for good academic standing and 1 for them staying at the institution, so a transfer in good standing costs the school 1of 2 points

No it doesn’t after spring semester.  

10 minutes ago, iu eyedoc said:

Not sure if already mentioned but with the new transfer rule, the college APR is going to need to be seriosly tweaked.

The APR is calculated as follows:

• Each student-athlete receiving athletically related financial aid earns one point for staying in school and one point for being academically eligible.
• A team’s total points are divided by points possible and then multiplied by 1,000 to equal the team’s Academic Progress Rate.
• In addition to a team’s current-year APR, its rolling four-year APR is also used to determine accountability.
• Teams must earn a four-year average APR of 930 to compete in championships. 

So a team of 13 scholarship players with everyone staying academically eligible and 2 players transferring scores a 923.

If teams are recruiting well, I can easily see an average of 2 players per season leaving to get more PT. IU has had 1 at the moment, but there are at least 4 players I could see considering it within the next calendar year and that doesn't even account for TJD leaving for the NBA.

They should just count transfers in good academic standing as 1 of 1 instead of 1of 2 points. Transferring in good standing to another academic institution is not a failure, it's a player choice.

It’s only 1 of 2 if they transfer in season, and in good academic standing.  Scholarships are renewed after the spring semester, before the 1st summer session every year.  So there can be a clean split from either side prior to that if the player is in good academic standing.

Great pickup at this point or any point really.  The size plays right away.  Welcome to IU!

52 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

Sounds like the man is good at what he does then, lol. By all accounts we’re trying to make IU a modern-day program. Maybe this is the last step for that. Even if he’s not about that life he sounds like a good pick up. 

Precisely.  

Hey man, with the coaching change they didn’t have their normal exit interviews which would typically include a development plan.  Coach Woodson is watching hours of data, practices, and game film to compile those now that the internal options are set.  At the earliest we will probably start seeing those trickle out individually is probably over the next couple of weeks.  We will probably see some short bursts of content from them, but probably not much this year until after the start of the first summer session.  This is how it has mostly been the last few coaching changes after the rosters were set or blown up.  

5 minutes ago, Dalton26 said:

Let’s see if UNC can replace a legend without going into decades of obscurity. 

I too am curious how they handle this one.  After Smith they stuck in family for three hires.  Third time was the charm.  I don’t know peoples personal beliefs on Dean Smith, but at the time most certainly felt he was on that RMK level.  They were good again within 10 years.  Wish we had that ambition. 

Good luck coach.  I became a fan of his explicitly because of that Raef Lafrentz and Jacque Vaughn team in the 90s at Kansas.  UNC poaching him from Kansas was phenomenal on their part at the time.  Then Kansas poaching Self coming off a title game was equally phenomenal.  Enjoy retirement sir.

Baylor can get hot man.  I love Few and Gonzaga, but I personally thought Kentucky the year they lost to Wisconsin was more likely to go undefeated.  Weird things happen in a single elimination tournament.  I would still only give the field at this point 20%.  Great team in a weak conference.  Few might be one of the smartest men alive.  

16 minutes ago, Myrmidon76 said:

You know...one of the biggest complaints I've heard so far about Woodson involves his demeanor. That's just ridiculous. I'd rather have a low-key guy that can relate to the kids and show them a path to becoming a good, decent person. That's what we lost (no offense to Crean..who I think genuinely cared about his players, but was just too intense). To me, that's what has always made Indiana special. It's not just basketball. We use the sport to make meaningful changes in the lives of these players. That's why we needed to go down this road again... because if we pursue the things we used to...the kids are better off and the success will be like picking persimmons off the ground in September.

Bob Knight wasn’t personable unless you “got” him and respected him.  For such a prick he made a gym full of kids at every camp both laugh and listen to everything that I was a part of.  Those 3x3 tournaments on AH (if you made finals) were some of my best childhood memories.  I don’t give a damn if a coach does cartwheels on the sideline in a clown mask.  Give me someone that can get through to kids consistently and can explain elementary basketball knowledge when they need it.  What I like about his ex players is they trusted and respected Coach.  That says a lot.  Our language is basketball and to some recruiting.  Speak our language, and own up to your mistakes or shortcomings, and we will love him.  So will the players.  If you try and bs us or try and talk to this fanbase like we are stupid it won’t end well for you.  I think that shouldn’t be an issue here.

12 hours ago, brumdog45 said:

WWW isn't a little shady.  He is the king of shade.  But I think these days he's more about players in the NBA and guys about to be in the NBA.  College recruits are peanuts for him at this point.

Now that he is an executive it makes no sense to get caught in the weeds at the college level.  I bet if Woody needed put in touch with someone, ok.  But WWW isn’t going to be at the EYBL or Nike headquarters for IU like he was for Cal and Memphis/Kentucky after his godson, friends kids, and then nephews went and played for Cal.    Just off the top of my head he was directly involved with Dajuan Wagner, Tyreke Evans, Derrick Rose, Brandon Knight, Kidd-Gilchrist, and Anthony Davis.  I would assume KAT as well with how it played out.  None of those kids play for Cal without WWW.  But around 2015 he really hasn’t been involved in as much with Kentucky.  Guessing he was trying to get legit.  Dude is just famous for being Waldo in pictures and knowing everybody.  Has been since Jordan.  

2 hours ago, Hoosierfan222 said:

I thought that was what happened with Gelon, no? Archie was trying to get him to transfer because he couldn’t just take away his scholarship

 

Scholarships are the 1st start of summer session to the 1st session of the summer session the following year.  They are renewed mid May of every year.  After the spring semester we have a choice same as student to renew or not.  Same as them.  If they leave in December as long as they are in good standing academically it won’t hurt us much.  But if we kick a kid off mid semester it will hurt our APR.  Gelon’s “ATHLETIC” scholarship was not renewed after the season = no harm to APR.  IU’s BOR offers a full academic scholarship if their athletic one is taken away from them.  We are just one of the few schools that offers that part.

32 minutes ago, Old Friend said:

Hey, Bow.

At the risk of someone changing my answer spending 4 years blabbing about things I didn't say just so he can follow me around like a child and criticize me like he has nothing better to do....

I like it.   I talked to a friend last night who is very close to Butch Carter and by proxy Mike Woodson, and I know the IU basketball "family" is behind it.  That matters to me.  Woodson wants the job and won''t listen to any of the exterior BS.  He's not afraid of the task at hand, believes in player development and local recruiting.   I like all of that.   Archie wasn't willing to work a room or really change anything.   Woodson will be.

 If you take the names off the resumes, I love Matta and would stack his resume against, say Matt Painter's.    Woodson has 20+ years of NBA experience with teams that got better when he was the head coach.  Players kids have heard of respect him and like him.  That matters.   A reality?  I wanted Brad Stevens.  He was the holy grail.   But on second thought and looking at it after stepping back, he really hasn't done anything Woodson hasn't done save coach in college successfully for a short time.   

Woodson played at Broad Ripple, played at Indiana, and played in the NBA for 10 years.  That will resonate w kids whether they have heard of him or not.   He may be the most under-rated player in the history of the Big Ten.  He was a 2000 point scorer in only 114 games at Indiana.   He was Big Ten player of the year having played just FIVE Big Ten games his senior year.   As Dakich said today, Woodson has dealt with the egos of Carmelo Anthony and Blake Griffin.  He can handle players' mommies.  The minutiae won't bother him.  Matta will help him with the ins and outs of running a college basketball program; and I think that combo will really be fun.

My opinion?  I think Indiana - shown by Matta w Woodson, are getting back to their own culture (no longer running it like a mid major), and at the same time, running IU men's basketball like a top tier basketball program for the first time in 21 years.   I see a whole lot of questioning and doubt above; and I had it too at first reaction.    Having had some time to think about it, I really like it and think he deserves this shot.  The "family" will now be united and that can do nothing but help.    

Edit :  Bob Kravitz doesn't like it which means I love it.    He and so many others are so damned unable to look beneath the surface.  Why journalism guys like he and Zac Osterman (whose experience is playing Madden and NCAA Basketball on XBox) are asked for their input on sports.   I digress..

Yeah man, I know you and I have had discussions probably over the last 15 years on IU guy vs not IU guy.  I think to a degree we both hedged at various times if it was needed.  We will see how it plays out.  But I really like the structure they are going to surround him with.  He is an X and O guy.  The other guys will help with recruiting and making sure he doesn’t hand a kid a pop giving IU the death sentence.  Out of every ex IU guy, at the point it had to be Woodson or Lewis I think.  Good time for a reboot for everyone.  

8 minutes ago, IUCrazy2 said:

Welcome to going 5 to 10 mph over the speed limit folks.

Best way to put it honestly.  Sometimes you have to hit 75 in a 60 to get where you are going.  I truly think Archie was willing to play in the gray, but when your teams look like dogshit it’s still a dog eat dog business.  Bye bye relationships.  

Good dude to have on your side if you want to win.  Recruiting is a game of relationships and very few people have more relationships than WWW.  Been that way since the late 80s or early 90s.  I know Dajuan Wagner at Memphis was the first kid WWW helped Cal with.  That dude should have been an absolute stud in the NBA.  Pretty much any other name kid for about 10-15 years after was associated with WWW.  

15 hours ago, IU Scott said:

He makes enough money to live in the nicest place in Indy on Geist Reservoir

Is this similar to saying a woman working at McDonalds is the hottest girl working at that particular McDonalds?  It’s a home on a reservoir in Indiana man lol.  I have no idea why my statement responding to what Wayne said led you here, but I am moving on.

Thank god he knows the fanbase or he might be offended.  Welcome coach.  Hope for your sake and our sanity you are successful.  Best of luck coach.

5 minutes ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

Dakich makes substantially more money doing what he’s doing. I know it’s a joke, but I figured I’d chime in anyway.



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Did he get a raise?  Last I knew he only made $200k for both his radio and tv gig.  Or do we pay our assistants that poorly?  I truly don’t know but it’s going to be important with Woody. 

My god this is the only thread that has rivaled the old Cody Zeller recruitment threads with optimism, hope, and unison.  Pretty please come home Brad!  I promise I won’t ***** about any of my sports teams for at least 6 months.

53 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

On this, I heard there will be no leaks. There will be less than 5 people who will know what is going on before it is made public. 

That would be a truly impressive feat with no search committee handling all logistics of this (legal, travel, food, etc.).  If Dolson can do that I will be very impressed.

7 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

I have not heard that number specifically. I  think you need to be at 7 million to get Brad

I heard pretty specific contract items that made the spidey senses go off.  It was pretty much the same from 2 people that don’t know each other.  But it was odd in that it wasn’t completely over the top and sounded plausible. Completely different than the last coaching search.  But another interesting tidbit I hadn’t thought of is with this one not coming from a committee, there will be more info out there.  This should be fun.