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Ik I’m late to the party, Had to calm down before I posted but here we go Game thoughts. pre game I told myself and buddies that if we could go up 10-14 early it would be over. NW Defense can only hold on and make plays for so long, their offense is one of the worst I’ve seen in awhile. We dominated. First half defense still needs to come out sharper, but man have to give credit to Womack and Co for their second half adjustments the last 3 games. offense- Penix looked hot, then looked off, then looked hot. You can tell why he was named starter especially on the first pass to whop...from what I could tell whop was his last read, and he looked like he was gonna check it down to walker out of backfield, he then saw whop hit the hole in the zone and quickly whipped it to the right side of the field. Injury report will be interesting, I’m starting to ask myself is this is mental thing that he will need to learn to overcome? Line did some good things. Bedford was anxious under the lights, he will have to not make mistakes like that in big time games. Stevie is doing the little things and he’s growing as a player and becoming a well rounded back before our eyes. The WRs when they are on....can compete and dominate anyone. Defense- Demarcus Elliott is a man child. He disrupts all the time. Athletic young players from the Dline-secondary.....future is bright on defense all around. I would like to see more fire from the start. Overall happy game overall, what I expected if we could get up early on them. Proud of this team and staff. off field items- mainly what I’ve seen on Twitter (not a great place to get info as trolls are out there), but I cannot understand the ever changing goals for the football team....the start of the season it was... just win, no matter if it was ugly win.....then it became beat Rutgers and Maryland..Nebraska.....and maybe crossovers here and there....they’ve done that....and they are 7-2 and you still have a crowd saying nah this team sucks, they aren’t good and blah blah blah.... this team has done what was asked of them and you still boo boo and have the poo pooers out there..... Yeah I’m an emotional IU football supporter, I admit that....but sheesh this team has done basically what it was asked to do yeah it choked at MSU....but many still had them losing to them in pre season predictions....OSU well I thought Justin fields might have some hiccups and cause their offense to sputter here and there....hand up lol I was wrong and he’s legit. My rant is over! This football team is fun, fast, passionate..... oh and Tiawan grabbing coach Allen on the field and telling him “I told you this is why’d I’d come here and help do” just speaks to what he and the younger kids think about IU. They love it. They love the football team and they love the coach. Crazy what a hs coach is starting to do in his third year. go Hoosiers, rest, refocus and get ready for happy valley. Win or lose I’ll be there for the Michigan game.

For a high school coach? That is absurd don’t you agree? I mean as soon as two weeks ago hiring a high school coach was enough for you to fire Glass. Now you want him to pay the man? I am shocked. What could have changed so quickly? Seems kind of knee jerk don’t you think? You have been very clear we need to blow up all money making teams and our athletic office. Remember! Glass isn’t capable of doing anything good. Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners mobile app

We should def be the favorite. We will almost definitely lose Penn to the pro's (and I have some insider knowledge on this that it will most likely occur) probably Morris and maybe Maher (although his brother coming in as a recruit may entice him to stay one more year) but a returning core with the other freshman of Bezerra, Endeley, Bebej, Celantano and Goumballe back and a year older and guys like Glass, Munie, Black, Palo and Schmidt back we should absolutely be the favorites. The only guys we lose as seniors are Kleyn and Caulfield who were benched earlier this year for bad play, Ahlinvi who's been injured 3/4 of the time and Waever who is the only regular contributor. Unlike this year we should return the majority of the team and be in position again with lofty expectations.

I wish I was smart enough to figure out how to get fired and receive 18-20 million. Hell, I’d be willing to get fired for a measly 10 million.

Quicker release, generally quicker downfield decisions (or an ability to make those throws when Ramsey second guesses his ability to do so), bigger, stronger, faster. That's why Penix is a better player, and none of that shows up on any stat sheet. Ramsey is fine. Penix is better. The eyeball test DOES actually work; as was mentioned above.

I like both players, and I know their stats are almost identical, but the one thing that stands out to me is the sacks differential. Penix has been sacked once, compared to Ramsey being sacked 11 times

"So he also struggled to do much against Rutgers" after the 1st 6 minutes, Copy. Paste. See : gaslighting.

Hopefully that happens. Last I heard this was a go for after the season but there have been a lot of contractor issues. This is something though I can easily get an update on once the season ends and will let you know what I hear and where this is at. Glad we got the new playing surface in the off-season which is a 100 times better then the old one.

Dont sell yourself short I’m sure you’d be worth at least 12 million to fire

According to ESPNs latest bowl projections: Redbox Bowl Levi's Stadium, Santa Clara, California Dec. 30, 4 p.m., Fox Bonagura: Arizona State vs. Indiana Schlabach: Indiana vs. USC

There’s nobody definitely better though. We have a below average kicker for the first time in decades. While unfortunate it’s not an easy fix

IU has the #1 pass offense in the conference. Penix and Ramsey's stats are almost identical. Good news is we have both these guys back next year. Both will improve and a senior Ramsey can fill in for all the games Penix sits out with injury and we wont miss a beat. Good times!

20/29 with 282 yards and 3 TD's on a day his team ran for > 260 yards, too. Yeah....what a struggle. He sucks. It's laughable how incredibly biased and non objective you are about Ramsey. Is that a man crush or ignorance?

FSU instability following Jimbo’s tenure landed us Penix and a few others. Allen needs to scoop up who he can while this mess lingers in Tallahassee.

Penix struggled against Rutgers? Absolute insane take, much like every other take you offer on this topic. Whatever man. You like Ramsey. Got it. Debating football with you is a fruitless endeavor. Good day to you

Out of my element but IU scored in the 29th minute on a PK. They win 1-0. Hoosiers win the B1G outright Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners

The eye test clearly shows Penix and it’s really not close. Now if Ramsey has the same arm strength... we’d be talking about him as an NFL QB. Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners mobile app

Really hoping we’re ranked going into that Penn State game. Special time to be a Hoosiers fan and wish we could all soak in the 7-2 record instead of arguing over our two QB’s! Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners

IU #25 in ESPNs power rankings https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/27991439/college-football-power-rankings-week-10 Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners

7-2 *******!!!! Guaranteed winning season. Glad we didn’t fire CTA over the summer. I’d like to see Penix be able to stay healthy but it’s awesome having Ramsey as THE backup. Defense came up huge with takeaways. They’ve been solid in the second half of games but they kept a bad offense down yesterday. Let’s get healthy and give PSU a hell of a game. They’ll be coming off a game at an undefeated Minnesota team and before going to an undefeated O$U. Trap game!! Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners

Agreed. The zip on Penix’s throw makes the defense have to play that much quicker and allows the receivers to catch the ball in stride and make get more YAC. It also stretches the field more for our running game and underneath routes. His grasp on the offense is very promising for a RS Freshman.

The difference in the two is not on paper.

I'll yin to your yang a little. In a prior thread, most people who replied agreed that a better strategy at Indiana was "get old and stay old." The talent differential of a 4* kid who is a senior in college vs. a 5* kid who's a freshman in college is negligible at worst, and favors the older, more experienced player at best. I have no interest and I don't think Archie has an interest in recruiting kids who are NBA bound before they ever hit college campuses. The pressure of that - a need to be successful with multiple top kids every year - is not bearable for any coach nor program who's not doing that successfully already. Recruiting those players wouldn't be successful at Eastern Wyoming any more than it would be at Indiana. My bigger point is this. Archie Miller has landed 2 consecutive Indiana Mr. Basketball winners (Langford and Jackson-Davis), and has likely landed a 3rd as I think Leal is the one to beat this season if not Galloway). He landed Ohio's Mr. Basketball a year ago. His list of recruits is full of 4* players...all of whom look to be at least contenders at Indiana - meaning we might land them. Indiana plays in a different world than Duke. Than Kentucky. I'm not sure I agree with North Carolina because they tend to have more experienced players; and I think Indiana will soon be on that level. I don't think Archie wants to go down a path of having to land several top-tier recruits year in and year out. That's one formula, but I don't think that's Indiana's formula. Virginia, Michigan State, Michigan, Wisconsin, and others have shown the OTHER formula - recruit good players who stay, get old and stay old - works just as well if not better in some cases. Texas Tech had a shot last season and they didn't have a single top 100 recruit. What they DID have? Really smart basketball players; experience; length; depth; shooters; and good defenders. 31-7. But...statistically? They were very average. They weren't the best at anything except shooting % on both sides of the ball, which is a big one I realize. They didn't dominate anything in their own conference, let alone nationally. But....they were an absolute b!tch to play against because the pieces fit and they were able to play within Chris Beard's system and thrive in it. I think Indiana is building something similar, and I think there's a reason many "top names" don't include Indiana on their list. I'm not sure I really care very much. My point in that is building a program around older players makes the pieces fit on a more regular basis than trying to find immediate contributors year in and year out. It took Archie maybe an extra year to get this right; and I think early on he was trying to recruit a different way than he is now. I suspect you will all be very happy with Indiana's program if you'll just let it play out. And thank me later. =) So.....I guess I think it doesn't matter how some top tier recruits view Indiana. 5 years ago, Indiana sent 2 of the top 4 picks to the NBA draft. Victor Oladipo by himself has made Indiana University cool again in the eyes of local college recruits, and I know that because I hear it relatively often. IU is on their radar; and Archie is landing those players. He is also having relative success outside the state, and is obviously attractive to very good players.

I get simple debate but even then at some point it has to come to an "agree to disagree". Why should the same argument, not debate, go on for days or even weeks? At some point you have to accept that no stance is changing and find the next healthy topic to debate. People getting personal and shitty with one another isn't necessary. Also constantly pointing out that someone is always negative/positive is about as exhausting as the negativity/positivity itself. Sent from my Pixel 3a XL using Tapatalk

I missed that. That’s awesome to hear. Also need more money for the staff and capital improvements. It’s going to get pricey.